Genesis 15 - Nlt verses 12-16

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“As the sun was going down, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a terrifying darkness came down over him. Then the Lord said to Abram, “You can be sure that your descendants will be strangers in a foreign land, where they will be oppressed as slaves for 400 years. But I will punish the nation that enslaves them, and in the end they will come away with great wealth. (As for you, you will die in peace and be buried at a ripe old age.) After four generations your descendants will return here to this land, for the sins of the Amorites do not yet warrant their destruction.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭15:12-16‬ ‭NLT‬‬
 

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“As the sun was going down, Abram fell into a deep sleep, and a terrifying darkness came down over him. Then the Lord said to Abram, “You can be sure that your descendants will be strangers in a foreign land, where they will be oppressed as slaves for 400 years. But I will punish the nation that enslaves them, and in the end they will come away with great wealth. (As for you, you will die in peace and be buried at a ripe old age.) After four generations your descendants will return here to this land, for the sins of the Amorites do not yet warrant their destruction.””
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭15:12-16‬ ‭NLT‬‬

There are three independent prophecies contained in the passage quoted.

Gen 15:12-16
12 Now when the sun was going down, a deep sleep fell upon Abram; and behold, horror and great darkness fell upon him.

First Prophecy concerning Israel being lead out of Egypt after being oppressed by Egypt for around 400 years by God.

13 Then He said to Abram: "Know certainly that your descendants will be strangers in a land that is not theirs, and will serve them, and they will afflict them four hundred years. 14 And also the nation whom they serve I will judge; afterward they shall come out with great possessions.​

Second Prophecy concerning Abraham that he will live in peace for many more years.

15 Now as for you, you shall go to your fathers in peace; you shall be buried at a good old age.​

Third Prophecy concerning some of Abraham's descendants returning to the place where Abraham was, around 4,000 years after the Birth of Isaac, in their own strength and at that time the iniquities of the Amorites will not yet be complete.

16 But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete."​
NKJV

A prophecy spaning such a long period of 4,000 years, where the fulfilment of the prophecy was beyond the ability of the Israelites to comprehend, was forced by the Israelite scholars, over the years, into the Egyptian exodus prophecy. However, what has been erroneously assumed is that only four descendant generations of Israelites were born during the time that Israel lived in Egypt, however, Joshua was a tenth descendant Generation who was born during the 430 years that Israel remained in Egypt as recorded in 1 Chron. 7:20-27.

However, the Hebrew word, "wə·ḏō·wr" that is erroneously translated as "generation" in our English Translations is better understood to have the meaning of "an age," where the duration of the "age" is a little longer than 1,000 years.

Genesis 15:16 was fulfilled in 1948 AD, where some of Abraham's descendants return to the Land of Canaan in their own strength.

The NLT translation does put a very different twist upon the context of the Hebrew text such that it is misleading.

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Damn, it took that long to fulfill?

I thought generation was 40 years biblically, that was when Eli died, 1 Samuel 4:18.

Thank you for sharing your take and view, Jay that was nice of you to take time to type it out sir.
 
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Here are some Dictionary reports for people to look at if they desire.

Smith Dictionary

Generation
Generation. In the long-lived patriarchal age, a generation seems to have been computed at 100 years, Gen_15:16, compare Gen_15:13 and Ecc_12:40, but subsequently, the reckoning was the same which has been adopted by modern civilized nations, namely, From thirty to forty years Job_42:16.
(Generation is also used to signify the men of an age or time, as contemporaries, Gen_6:9; Isa_53:8, posterity, especially in legal formulae, Lev_3:17, etc.; fathers, or ancestors. Psa_49:19.

Websters Dictionary

Generation
GENERA'TION, n. The act of begetting; procreation, as of animals.
1. Production; formation; as the generation of sounds or of curves or equations.
2. A single succession in natural descent, as the children of the same parents; hence, an age. Thus we say, the third, the fourth, or the tenth generation. Gen 15:16.
3. The people of the same period, or living at the same time.
O faithless and perverse generation. Luke 9.
4. Genealogy; a series of children or descendants from the same stock.
This is the book of the generations of Adam. Gen 5.
5. A family; a race.
6. Progeny; offspring.

Cyclopedia Dictionary

Generation
(תּוֹלְדֶה, γένεσις, the act; γέννημα, the result: דּוֹר, γενεα, a period). Considerable obscurity attends the use of this word in the English version, which arises from the translators having merged the various meanings of the same original word, and even of several different words, in one common term, "generation." The remark, too, is just, that in the literal translations of the Scriptures, the word "generation" generally occurs wherever the Latin has generatio, and the Greek γενεά or γένεσις (Rees’s Encyclopedia, article Generation). The following instances seem to require the original words to be understood in some one of their derivative senses: Gen_2:4," These are the generations" (תּוֹלְדוֹת; Sept. ἡ βίβλος γενέσεως; Vulg: generationes), rather "origin," "history," etc. The same Greek words, Mat_1:1, are rendered "a genealogy," etc., by recent translators: Campbell has "lineage." Gen_5:1, "The book of the generations" (סֵפֶר תּוֹלְדרֹ; Sept. as before; Vulg. liber generationis) is properly a family register, a history of Adam.

The same words, Gen_37:2, mean a history of Jacob and his descendants; so also Gen_6:9; Gen_10:1, and elsewhere. Gen_7:1, "In this generation" (בִּרּור הַזֶּה; Sept. ἐν τῇ γενεᾶ’/ τάυτῃ, Vulg. in generatione hac) is evidently "in this age." Gen_15:6, "In the fourth generation" (רּוֹר; Sept. γενεά, Vulg. generatio) is an instance of the word in the sense of a certain assigned period. Psa_49:19, "The generation of his fathers" (עִראּרּוֹר אֲבוֹתָיו, Sept. γενιᾶς πατέρων αύτοῦ) Gesenius renders "the dwelling of his fathers," i.e. the grave, and adduces Isa_38:12.: Psa_73:15, "The generation of thy children" (רּוֹר בָּנֶיךָ, Sept. γενεὰ τῶν υἱῶν σοῦ) is "class," "order," "description;" as in Pro_30:11-14. Isa_53:8, "Who shall declare his generation?" (רּוֹרוֹ; Sept. τὴν γενεὰν αὐτοῦ τίς διηγήσεται, Vulug. generatio)

Lowth renders "manner of life," in translation and note, but adduces no precedent. Some consider it equivalent to זֶרִע, Isa_53:10 : γενεά (Sept.) answers to זֶרִע, Est_9:28. Josephus uses πολλήν γενεάν, Ant. 1:10, 3 (Hengstenberg, Christology of the Old Testament, volume 1, Washington, 1836-9; Pauli, Analect. Hebraic. page 162, Oxford, 1839).

Michaelis renders it, "Where was the providence that cared for his life?" Gesenius and Rosenmuller, "Who of his contemporaries reflected?" Seiler, "Who can describe his length of life?" In the New Testament (Mat_1:17), γενεαί is a series of persons, a succession from the same stock; so used by Josephus (Ant. 1:7, 2); Philo (Vit. Mos. 1:603); Mat_3:7, γεννήματα ἐχιδνῶν, is well rendered by Doddridge and others "brood of vipers." Mat_24:34, ἡ γενεὰ αὕτη means the generation or persons then living contemporary with Christ (see Macknight’s Harmony for an illustration of this sense). Luk_16:8, εἰς τὴν γενεὰν τἡν ἑαυτῶν, "in their generation," etc., wiser in regard to their dealings with the men of their generation; Rosenmuller gives, inter se. 1Pe_2:8, γένος ἐκλεκτόν, is a "chosen people," quoted from Sept. Vers. of Isa_43:20. The ancient Greeks, and, if we may credit Herodotus and Diodorus Siculus, the Egyptians also, assigned a certain period to a generation.

The Greeks reckoned three generations for every hundred years, i.e., 331 years to each; Herod. 2:142, γενεαὶ τρεῖς ἀνδρῶν ἑκατὸν ἔτεά ἐστι, "Three generations of men make one hundred years." This is nearly the present computation. To the same effect Clem. Alexandrinus speaks (Strom. 1:2); so also Phavorinus, who, citing the age of Nestor from Homer (Il. 1:250), τῷ δ ἤδη δύο μὲν γενεαί, "two generations," says it means that ὑπερἑβη τὰ ἑξήκοντα ἔτη, "he was above sixty years old." The Greeks, however, assigned different periods to a γενεά at different times (Perizonius, Orig. Egypt. page 175 sq.; Jensius, Fercul. Literar. page 6).

The ancient Hebrews also reckoned by the generation, and assigned different spaces of time to it at different periods of their history. In the time of Abraham it was one hundred years (comp. Gen_15:16, "In the fourth generation they shall come hither"). This is explained in Gen_15:13, and in Exo_12:40, to be four hundred years. Caleb was fourth in descent from Judah, and Moses and Aaron were fourth from Levi. In Deu_1:35; Deu_2:14, Moses uses the term for thirty- eight years. In later times (Baruch 6, in the Epistle of Jeremiah, ver. 2) γενεά clearly means ten years. In Mat_1:17, γενεά means a single descent from father to son. Homer uses the word in the same sense (II. 1:250); also Herodotus (1:3). (See Gesenius’s and Robinson’s Lexicons, under the above Heb. and Gr. words.) — Kitto, s.v. SEE GENEALOGY.
 

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What is the point of posting information on this site, if you have no idea if it is right or wrong in the understanding of the meaning of Hebrew or Greek words that the sources present.

Isaac was born at the very beginning of the third Age, or it could be considered at the very point when the second age ended and the third age began. If we accept the Genesis Genealogy then the year in which Isaac was born is the year 2049 AA, i.e. After Adam was created.

From my study of the chronology of the Scriptures, I have come to the conclusion that Isaac was born in the year 2052 BC, and when we add that Israel was established as a nation in the year 1948 AD, then the time span from when Isaac was born to when the Israel was established one more in the Land of Canaan is exactly 4,000 year by my reasoning and calculations.

We are also reliably told in the scriptures that Israel will be redeemed once more when the visitation of their iniquities upon their children and the children's children has run its full course of four ages at which time the gentile kings will be gathered together at Armageddon to be judged by God and imprisoned in the bottomless pit to await the time of their punishment after many days for their trampling of God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts.

Sadly, too many fine "Christian" people have been lead by their tickled ears into error with respect to the fulfilment of the End Time Prophecies.

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Thank you for sharing, Jay Ross.

Freedom of choice was the reason for posting.

Thank God we aren’t under a dictatorship, you know what I mean?

You state from your studies and calculations, what if those predictions are wrong? Will you conclude another study?
 

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Damn, it took that long to fulfill?

I thought generation was 40 years biblically, that was when Eli died, 1 Samuel 4:18.

Thank you for sharing your take and view, Jay that was nice of you to take time to type it out sir.
What is the "average age" of a life ? men average around 76 years and women 81. It was shorter during the time of Jesus and much longer from Adam to Abraham.

hope this helps !!!
 

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Thank you for sharing, Jay Ross.

Freedom of choice was the reason for posting.

Thank God we aren’t under a dictatorship, you know what I mean?

You state from your studies and calculations, what if those predictions are wrong? Will you conclude another study?

Yes Matthew, but even "Freedom of Choice," which is a poor statement, but rather, we are free to chose whatever belief we want to, also requires responsibility on our part to chose wisely. We are either in Satan's camp or God's kingdom.

Now you questioned my studies and calculation and asked "if those predictions are WRONG?" Sadly, you did not provide any evidence to show that there were possible errors in what I had written. All you did was to plant a doubt in the minds of others that I might be wrong. A typical tactic of Satan, that he used even in the Garden with Eve and still uses today.

Matthew, if you conclude that I am wrong as to the actual year in which Isaac was born, then perhaps if you constructed your own chronology from scripture, you may be able to see that on this point I am right. Or on the other hand, prove that my conclusion is wrong even by one year. Many older chronologists have this one year error in their calculations, while many more modern chronologists introduce a later date as to when Isaac was born and have suggested that Isaac was born in the year 2,109 AA, 60 years later. Sadly, their conclusion is based on a faulty contextual cultural understanding taken from the New Testament scriptures.

Matthew put your money so to speak where your pen is and show how I might be wrong based on your own research and studies instead of simply suggesting that I might be wrong or in error. Your post carries no credibility at all.

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I am not interested sir, sorry if you were offended by what was said.

I accept you as a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ in whom which makes us right with God by faith, and you can believe whatever you desire or lead to, did take time to share with other people some of the dictionaries.

Here are some Dictionary reports for people to look at if they desire.

Smith Dictionary

Generation
Generation. In the long-lived patriarchal age, a generation seems to have been computed at 100 years, Gen_15:16, compare Gen_15:13 and Ecc_12:40, but subsequently, the reckoning was the same which has been adopted by modern civilized nations, namely, From thirty to forty years Job_42:16.
(Generation is also used to signify the men of an age or time, as contemporaries, Gen_6:9; Isa_53:8, posterity, especially in legal formulae, Lev_3:17, etc.; fathers, or ancestors. Psa_49:19.

Websters Dictionary

Generation
GENERA'TION, n. The act of begetting; procreation, as of animals.
1. Production; formation; as the generation of sounds or of curves or equations.
2. A single succession in natural descent, as the children of the same parents; hence, an age. Thus we say, the third, the fourth, or the tenth generation. Gen 15:16.
3. The people of the same period, or living at the same time.
O faithless and perverse generation. Luke 9.
4. Genealogy; a series of children or descendants from the same stock.
This is the book of the generations of Adam. Gen 5.
5. A family; a race.
6. Progeny; offspring.

Cyclopedia Dictionary

Generation
(תּוֹלְדֶה, γένεσις, the act; γέννημα, the result: דּוֹר, γενεα, a period). Considerable obscurity attends the use of this word in the English version, which arises from the translators having merged the various meanings of the same original word, and even of several different words, in one common term, "generation." The remark, too, is just, that in the literal translations of the Scriptures, the word "generation" generally occurs wherever the Latin has generatio, and the Greek γενεά or γένεσις (Rees’s Encyclopedia, article Generation). The following instances seem to require the original words to be understood in some one of their derivative senses: Gen_2:4," These are the generations" (תּוֹלְדוֹת; Sept. ἡ βίβλος γενέσεως; Vulg: generationes), rather "origin," "history," etc. The same Greek words, Mat_1:1, are rendered "a genealogy," etc., by recent translators: Campbell has "lineage." Gen_5:1, "The book of the generations" (סֵפֶר תּוֹלְדרֹ; Sept. as before; Vulg. liber generationis) is properly a family register, a history of Adam.

The same words, Gen_37:2, mean a history of Jacob and his descendants; so also Gen_6:9; Gen_10:1, and elsewhere. Gen_7:1, "In this generation" (בִּרּור הַזֶּה; Sept. ἐν τῇ γενεᾶ’/ τάυτῃ, Vulg. in generatione hac) is evidently "in this age." Gen_15:6, "In the fourth generation" (רּוֹר; Sept. γενεά, Vulg. generatio) is an instance of the word in the sense of a certain assigned period. Psa_49:19, "The generation of his fathers" (עִראּרּוֹר אֲבוֹתָיו, Sept. γενιᾶς πατέρων αύτοῦ) Gesenius renders "the dwelling of his fathers," i.e. the grave, and adduces Isa_38:12.: Psa_73:15, "The generation of thy children" (רּוֹר בָּנֶיךָ, Sept. γενεὰ τῶν υἱῶν σοῦ) is "class," "order," "description;" as in Pro_30:11-14. Isa_53:8, "Who shall declare his generation?" (רּוֹרוֹ; Sept. τὴν γενεὰν αὐτοῦ τίς διηγήσεται, Vulug. generatio)

Lowth renders "manner of life," in translation and note, but adduces no precedent. Some consider it equivalent to זֶרִע, Isa_53:10 : γενεά (Sept.) answers to זֶרִע, Est_9:28. Josephus uses πολλήν γενεάν, Ant. 1:10, 3 (Hengstenberg, Christology of the Old Testament, volume 1, Washington, 1836-9; Pauli, Analect. Hebraic. page 162, Oxford, 1839).

Michaelis renders it, "Where was the providence that cared for his life?" Gesenius and Rosenmuller, "Who of his contemporaries reflected?" Seiler, "Who can describe his length of life?" In the New Testament (Mat_1:17), γενεαί is a series of persons, a succession from the same stock; so used by Josephus (Ant. 1:7, 2); Philo (Vit. Mos. 1:603); Mat_3:7, γεννήματα ἐχιδνῶν, is well rendered by Doddridge and others "brood of vipers." Mat_24:34, ἡ γενεὰ αὕτη means the generation or persons then living contemporary with Christ (see Macknight’s Harmony for an illustration of this sense). Luk_16:8, εἰς τὴν γενεὰν τἡν ἑαυτῶν, "in their generation," etc., wiser in regard to their dealings with the men of their generation; Rosenmuller gives, inter se. 1Pe_2:8, γένος ἐκλεκτόν, is a "chosen people," quoted from Sept. Vers. of Isa_43:20. The ancient Greeks, and, if we may credit Herodotus and Diodorus Siculus, the Egyptians also, assigned a certain period to a generation.

The Greeks reckoned three generations for every hundred years, i.e., 331 years to each; Herod. 2:142, γενεαὶ τρεῖς ἀνδρῶν ἑκατὸν ἔτεά ἐστι, "Three generations of men make one hundred years." This is nearly the present computation. To the same effect Clem. Alexandrinus speaks (Strom. 1:2); so also Phavorinus, who, citing the age of Nestor from Homer (Il. 1:250), τῷ δ ἤδη δύο μὲν γενεαί, "two generations," says it means that ὑπερἑβη τὰ ἑξήκοντα ἔτη, "he was above sixty years old." The Greeks, however, assigned different periods to a γενεά at different times (Perizonius, Orig. Egypt. page 175 sq.; Jensius, Fercul. Literar. page 6).

The ancient Hebrews also reckoned by the generation, and assigned different spaces of time to it at different periods of their history. In the time of Abraham it was one hundred years (comp. Gen_15:16, "In the fourth generation they shall come hither"). This is explained in Gen_15:13, and in Exo_12:40, to be four hundred years. Caleb was fourth in descent from Judah, and Moses and Aaron were fourth from Levi. In Deu_1:35; Deu_2:14, Moses uses the term for thirty- eight years. In later times (Baruch 6, in the Epistle of Jeremiah, ver. 2) γενεά clearly means ten years. In Mat_1:17, γενεά means a single descent from father to son. Homer uses the word in the same sense (II. 1:250); also Herodotus (1:3). (See Gesenius’s and Robinson’s Lexicons, under the above Heb. and Gr. words.) — Kitto, s.v. SEE GENEALOGY.