What are you?

[LearningToLetGo]

What are you when you die and your sinful nature is stripped away to reveal the new man? What does this new man look like? Will you even recognize yourself? Will you have a self to recognize? Lastly, can you realize this new man now, in the flesh? If so, how would your experience of life change?

 

[MatthewG]

Hello LearningToLetGo,

What are you? - Extra content for below - Flesh Vs Spirit

What are you when you die and your sinful nature is stripped away to reveal the new man?

From what is understood about Adam being earthly, and the Second Adam being Yeshua coming down from heaven being the Word of God, and what Paul talks about in 1 Corinthians 15, I believe upon death, our judgement is given instantly and my soul will be given a spiritual body as a gift from God himself (and believe he does this for all people who pass away from this life), and my hope is to be able to go and be with Yahweh in the Kingdom of God, and my other hope is those who were faithless in this life, also are able be able to live outside of the kingdom of God, due to God's will and desires for having all to come to know about his son. Though they may not be Sons or Daughters, or Children of God, due to - faithlessness.​

What does this new man look like?

The new man or woman, is the new born creation in the heart, and soul of an individual who has come to understand all the things that Jesus had done and overcame, such as Hell, Satan and his Demons, the Grave, Temptation, Sin, DNA/Genetics, the Wrath of God was poured out on the nation of Israel in 70 Ad, and when a person come to understand these things, and knows what He had accomplished, all people now have the choice to - believe, to seek, to know God through their subjective relationship with Him, and the bible is useful to help a person grow in their knowledge, and increase their faith.

The new man/woman cannot be seen it is an internal change from with-in caused by Christ in which the Holy Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ is sent to live with-in you, and now you having a new born again experience which all things become new to you, in a different way allowing God to work on your heart and mind.​

Will you even recognize yourself?

You will know who you are spiritually while you walk around this life, if you are confident in your faith and belief in the Lord Yeshua, who gives you eternal life, while you actively participate by abiding in him, and praying and having an active relationship with Yahweh, and reading the scripture to learn the things about Gods Son, and also learning from the Apostles, and the Prophets of Old. You will at least in part know who you are in Christ if you desire to know, and seek, and believe these things founded in the bible. Totally a subjective experience for any individual seeker.​

Will you have a self to recognize?

Your own soul, is your heart/mind/will/emotion; everything God given, what one does with their soul is up to them. All of us reap what we sow.​

Lastly, can you realize this new man now, in the flesh? If so, how would your experience of life change?

Believe answered already, to reiterate, the Old man is put in the grave, being dead with Christ, the New Man/Woman is risen again with Christ through faith in his Resurrection.
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Thank you for your thought provoking questions.

 

[Dropship]

When the body dies, the soul flies and we become purely spiritual beings..-
"So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable...it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.. flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God" (1 Corinthians 15:42-50)

Sci-fi has touched on that similar "transformation" theme, for example in the Star Trek episode 'Transfigurations'-

 

[Michiah-Imla]

What are you when you die and your sinful nature is stripped away to reveal the new man?

That is supposed to happen upon being truly born again.

After all, Satan, the rebel angels and Eve sinned before the fall.

You are to resist sin NOW. Because if you cannot cease sinning now being born again in this life, you will not cease afterwards either.

I have recognized the new man in me for many years now.

“…which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.” (Ephesians 4:24)

 

[LearningToLetGo]

Sci-fi has touched on that similar "transformation" theme, for example in the Star Trek episode 'Transfigurations'-

We become Cmdr. Riker?

 

[LearningToLetGo]

You are to resist sin NOW. Because if you cannot cease sinning now being born again in this life, you will not cease afterwards either.

This is what I was looking for. God can't/won't abide sin, correct? Assuming we can't cease sinning afterwards, what does that mean? Can we be saved yet still sin? What does that mean in the context of the afterlife?

 

[MatthewG]

From what is understood, Jesus have overcome the sin.

I believe it would be a good thing to understand what sin is @LearningToLetGo, it can be so broad for many people.

The worst sin, is considered to have unbelief, no faith, because in unbelief and no faith, there is no godly love to be shared with others.

Other sins, can quench the spirit, if you allow your flesh to give into its desires, but that doesn't mean God leaves us, it is just something that has yet to be overcome in abiding in Christ, it is difficult to understand for most that we all will sin until we die, missing the mark, and it is why we desperately need the help of Christ to rise us above the waters of the world.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Can we be saved yet still sin?

No.

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin…” (1 John 3:9)

 

[LearningToLetGo]

No.

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin…” (1 John 3:9)

This has dire implications. All men sin. Aside from Jesus, no man (or woman) has been, is, or will ever be free of sin. Yes, God can and does forgive (indeed forget) sin, but that is slightly different than having no sin.

Thus, if all men sin -- including those who are born again -- and if God will not abide sin, then the corollary is that no one is saved.

Please, help me out of this logical trap.

 

[MatthewG]

This video may help you it is about 12 minutes long if you can bear with me explaining what I learned from someone else.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Please, help me out of this logical trap.

It seems to me that you haven’t been born again yet and haven’t had your mind renewed yet:

“Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.” (Romans 8:7)

Because born again believers establish the law.

“Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” (Romans 3:31)

“…for by the law is the knowledge of sin.” (Romans 3:20)

 

[LearningToLetGo]

it is difficult to understand for most that we all will sin until we die, missing the mark

Here's where my thoughts are: Our definition of self includes our sinful nature. We have a head, a body, arms, eyes, legs, etc. and we have a sinful nature. We fight against sin. We repent against sin and God promises to forgive/forget our sins when we die, so... what does a person look like without sin? Obviously it can't be what we know on Earth. It's different. I'm trying to understand what that difference looks like so I can draw it here into this life. The only example I see is Jesus himself. Am I like Don Quixote, attacking windmills?

 

[marks]

Here's where my thoughts are: Our definition of self includes our sinful nature. We have a head, a body, arms, eyes, legs, etc. and we have a sinful nature. We fight against sin. We repent against sin and God promises to forgive/forget our sins when we die, so... what does a person look like without sin? Obviously it can't be what we know on Earth. It's different. I'm trying to understand what that difference looks like so I can draw it here into this life. The only example I see is Jesus himself. Am I like Don Quixote, attacking windmills?

I think we really only have clues, I don't think we can really conceive of what we will be.

1 John 3:2 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

Much love!

 

[MatthewG]

Here's where my thoughts are: Our definition of self includes our sinful nature. We have a head, a body, arms, eyes, legs, etc. and we have a sinful nature. We fight against sin. We repent against sin and God promises to forgive/forget our sins when we die, so... what does a person look like without sin? Obviously it can't be what we know on Earth. It's different. I'm trying to understand what that difference looks like so I can draw it here into this life. The only example I see is Jesus himself. Am I like Don Quixote, attacking windmills?

That the only person who never sinned, and to look at his life, and allowing him to produce fruit in your life by abiding in him and allowing him to come through you will not sin, for Jesus cannot sin.

I do not know a perfect person other than Jesus, however there are many people out there in their faith who have become perfect - Mature, or complete - in their understanding that everything rest on the Lord Yeshua, who has overcame all things, in heaven, in earth and even under the earth.

I dont know what you mean by the phrase ' we fight against sin ' - if you mean socially or political or you mean your own individual self, sin has to be defined as what missing the mark is and all people have missed the mark.

 

[marks]

This is what I was looking for. God can't/won't abide sin, correct? Assuming we can't cease sinning afterwards, what does that mean? Can we be saved yet still sin? What does that mean in the context of the afterlife?

We are in conflict with our corrupted flesh. Then, the conflict will be gone, our flesh transformed to incorruptibility.

Much love!

 

[LearningToLetGo]

I dont know what you mean by the phrase ' we fight against sin ' - if you mean socially or political or you mean your own individual self

I mean individual self.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

We are in conflict with our corrupted flesh.

What were Satan and the rebel angels in conflict with? Or Eve?

 

[LearningToLetGo]

We are in conflict with our corrupted flesh. Then, the conflict will be gone, our flesh transformed to incorruptibility.

I feel like a man who has been blind from birth being told that when I die I will be able to see. Perhaps I am like Don Quixote after all.

 

[MatthewG]

The video shared (which is about the Flesh vs Spirit) might help you understand more, but that was the only helpful thing I could really share, thank you for clarifying and again for your thought provoking question, LearningtoletGo.

 

[marks]

What were Satan and the rebel angels in conflict with? Or Eve?

Neither were indwelt by the Holy Spirit, as Christians are.

Much love!