For Those Who Deny Jesus Christ IS Almighty God

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Is Creation By or Through Jesus Christ?

 

[True Faith]

Non sequitur.

Father, Son and Holy Spirit are deeply present in Scripture.

End of Matthew 28.

John's Gospel, throughout.

Romans 8.

John's First Epistle.

The overwhelming Scriptural evidence is there.

(I am now going to use a little button.)

whose will did God Himself Come Down to do, if not his own???

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

God...The Unique God

 

[True Faith]

Is Creation By or Through Jesus Christ?

I will answer your question once you have answered mine... and yes you have to answer... as you have yet to answer me before I will answer you...

 

[True Faith]

God...The Unique God

So God lied when he said that he did not come to do his own will... got it now...

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Does Jesus Not Know The Time of His Return?

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Jesus Christ Asserts Himself As YAHWEH

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

Jesus Christ The αρχη of The Creation

 

[True Faith]

Jesus Christ The αρχη of The Creation

and still no answer to my question.. just more obfuscation and deflection....

 

[True Faith]

Does Jesus Not Know The Time of His Return?

If he were God Himself he would have known.. so are you saying that he lied there as well??? Remember John 1:1,14 states Jesus is God Himself, in the flesh full of Grace and truth...

 

[Charlie24]

Again... you just removed Jesus from Being God Himself....

You do not understand the incarnation, that as Man, the only will of Christ was to please the Father. Total surrender!

"Nevertheless, not my will, but thy will be done." Christ was 100% man and needed strengthening just as we do!

He did as we should be doing, "not my will, but your will be done."

When you understand what the incarnation meant for the Christ, then you will understand why He told the Jews "not my will, but His will be done."

 

[True Faith]

For Those Who Deny Jesus Christ IS Almighty God

There are some, like the Unitarians and Jehovah’s Witnesses, who argue, that the Bible does not teach, that Jesus Christ is “Almighty God”. The English adjective “almighty”, has the meaning of “all-powerful, unrestricted power”. It is interesting that, the Jehovah’s Witnesses in their New World Translation (NWT), have rendered the Hebrew, “êl Gibbôr”, which is one of the Titles for Jesus Christ, in Isaiah 9:6, as “Mighty God” (2003 edition). This is also the reading in the next chapter, the same Hebrew is used for Jehovah, and is also “Mighty God” (10:21). In John 1:1 they argue that the correct way to translate the Greek, “kai theos ēn ho logos”, is, “and the Word was a god”, and, that there is no Scripture where Jesus Christ is called “God”. Now, there is a clear contradiction here, as it is very clear in their own NWT, in Isaiah 9:6, that Jesus Christ is not only “God”, but, “Mighty God”. Some Jehovah’s Witnesses that I have spoken with, admit that Jesus Christ is “Mighty God”, but add, that He is not “Almighty God”. This means that they accept that there are two distinct Persons, Who are “God”, One “Almighty”, and the other, “Mighty”. This makes them guilty of Polytheism.

In John chapter 5, we read of a conversation between Jesus Christ and the Jews. In verse 17 Jesus says to them, after they question why He is working on the Sabbath Day, “But He answered them, "My Father is working until now, and I Myself am working”. Jesus’ answer actually enraged the Jews, and they “were seeking all the more to kill Him” (verse 18). Why would this be? John explains, “because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God”. The Jews clearly understood what Jesus was saying here, He claimed that their God, was “His OWN (Greek, idiom) Father”, Who is “Personally His own”. Language that made Jesus Christ, “ison tōi theōI”, where the Greek “ison” means “equality in strength and rights”, which is “essentially equal with the Father”. Some argue that these words of the Jews are a misunderstanding of what Jesus was saying, and meant. If this were the case, Jesus does not in any way try to correct them, and rebuke them for “making Himself equal with God” the Father. Instead, a few verse later, Jesus makes a very strong self-Testimony on His own Deity and Equality with the Father. In verse 23 Jesus says:

“that all should Honour the Son just as they Honour the Father. He who does not Honour the Son does not Honour the Father who sent Him”

“Honour” is the Greek “timáō”, “honour, reverence, esteem, value, prize”. Also, “to exalt, glorify”. In Isaiah 42:8, it says, “I am Yahweh, that is My Name; I will not give My Glory to another or My Praise to idols”. The Hebrew word here “kâbôd” translated as “Glory”, is also used for, “honour, reverence, glory”.

It is very clear from what Jesus says in verse 23, if He is not given the SAME (kathōs, just as, even as, according as) “Honour” as the Father; then the Father Himself is not “Hourned”. These words would be the highest blasphemy, if, as some suppose, Jesus Christ is not Almighty God, and is no more than a created being! In fact, this verse alone is one of the strongest in the Bible, on the absolute Deity of Jesus Christ, by Himself, and His coequality with God the Father. There is not a single created being, who can ever say, “Honour me as you do Almighty God”, who would not be guilty of being deranged! If the Father is “Almighty”, then it is clear from Jesus’ own words here, that He is also Almighty God, as He says that He is to receive the same, “honour, reverence, esteem, value, prize”, as the Father. Only Someone Who is COEQUAL and COESSENTIAL with God, can ever use this language for Themselves.

In the Book of Revelation, chapter 5, we have another powerful Testimony to the absolute Deity of Jesus Christ, and His coequality with God the Father.

"And ALL of the Creation, which is in the heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and on the sea, and all things that are in them, heard I saying, to Him Who sits on the throne, and unto the Lamb, be "ALL The Blessing, and ALL The Honour, and ALL The Glory, and ALL The Might, for ever and ever. And the four living creatures said, Amen. And the elders fell down and worshipped." (so emphasized in the Greek)

Here it is very clear, that, “ALL The Blessing, and ALL The Honour, and ALL The Glory, and ALL The Might”, that is for “Him Who Sits on the Throne”, here being God the Father, is EQUALLY for “the Lamb”, Who is Jesus Christ. The Greek conjunction, “kai (and)”, is used to denote “equality and sameness”. Note in this passage, where we read, “to kratos”, which is also translated in the NWT, as “the might”, means, ALL the Might that there is. It can hardly mean, that only “some”, or the “majority” of Mighty belongs to “Him Who Sits on the Throne”, but must mean, “ALL-MIGHTY”. This, and the rest, ALSO is true of Jesus Christ. And, BOTH the Father and Jesus Christ are here WORSHIPPED. This passage is the best description as to what WORSHIP of God really is, “ALL The Blessing, and ALL The Honour, and ALL The Glory, and ALL The Might”. ALL The BLESSINGS in this world, ALL The HONOUR in this world, ALL The GLORY in this world, and ALL The MIGHT in this world, belongs to God the Father, and God the Son.

In Revelation 11:15 we read,

“And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall Reign for ever and ever”

Note the words, “He shall Reign”, is in the Greek, “basileusei”, which is in the singular number, no doubt referring to the Joint Reign of the Father and Jesus Christ (tou kuriou…tou Christou autou), Who are Two distinct Persons. There are some who misuse 1 Corinthians 15:28, to try to “prove”, that Jesus Christ is eternally “subordinate” to the Father. It is clear that this passage speaks of Jesus’ Mediatorial Kingdom, and not the eternal, which we can see from this passage in Revelation, is not one of “subordination”, but “coequality”. This is also clear from Revealtion 22:1, 3, where it says,

“And he showed me a river of water of life, bright as crystal, proceeding out of the Throne of God and of the Lamb…the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him”

Here we have Two distinct Persons, “tou theou kai tou arniou”, literally, “the God and the Lamb”. Then we have, “tou thronou (the Throne)”, where “thronou”, is also in the singular number, as in 11:15. BOTH the Father and Jesus Christ Sit on the One Throne, as JOINT RULERS. In verse 3, we have the words, “His (autou, singular, masculine) servants”, “serve Him (autōi, singular, masculine), which includes BOTH the Father and Jesus Christ, Who are EQUALLY “Served” as Almighty God.

This is the Word of God, this is what the Word of God Teaches about the Lord Jesus Christ, that He is COEQUAL with God the Father, and is Himself ALMIGHTY GOD.

A Unitarian by definition is this " That we worship one God in trinity and the trinity in unity, neither blending their persons
nor dividing their essence." So you are a Unitarian then...

 

[True Faith]

You do not understand the incarnation, that as Man, the only will of Christ was to please the Father. Total surrender!

"Nevertheless, not my will, but thy will be done." Christ was 100% man and needed strengthening just as we do!

He did as we should be doing, "not my will, but your will be done."

When you understand what the incarnation meant for the Christ, then you will understand why He told the Jews "not my will, but His will be done."

Actually I do... either Jesus was God Himself and lied or he was not God Himself and was telling the truth....

 

[True Faith]

You do not understand the incarnation, that as Man, the only will of Christ was to please the Father. Total surrender!

"Nevertheless, not my will, but thy will be done." Christ was 100% man and needed strengthening just as we do!

He did as we should be doing, "not my will, but your will be done."

When you understand what the incarnation meant for the Christ, then you will understand why He told the Jews "not my will, but His will be done."

Plus you separate the essence of God from Jesus.... "Although he is both God and human, he is not two, but one."

 

[Charlie24]

Plus you separate the essence of God from Jesus.... "Although he is both God and human, he is not two, but one."

You do err, my friend! You have much to learn from the scripture!

 

[True Faith]

You do not understand the incarnation, that as Man, the only will of Christ was to please the Father. Total surrender!

"Nevertheless, not my will, but thy will be done." Christ was 100% man and needed strengthening just as we do!

He did as we should be doing, "not my will, but your will be done."

When you understand what the incarnation meant for the Christ, then you will understand why He told the Jews "not my will, but His will be done."

Pay attention to Doctrine....
"That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time;
and he is human from the essence of his mother,
born in time;
completely God, completely human,
with a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father as regards divinity,
less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one."

do you see dual souls or minds in there anywher???

 

[True Faith]

You do err, my friend! You have much to learn from the scripture!

No I do not err... you are calling God Himself a liar plus you do not even understand your own doctrine....

 

[Matthias]

1Co 8:6, But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Eph 4:6, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

Jas 3:9, Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.

It seems to me that scripture refers to the one God as being the Father.

That’s right. It does.

”1. The one God. (a) theos is the most frequent designation of God in the NT. Belief in the one, only and unique God (Matt. 23:9; Rom. 3:30; 1 Cor. 8:4,6; Gal. 3:20; 1 Tim. 2:5; Jas. 2:19) is an established part of Christian tradition. Jesus himself made the fundamental confession of Jud. his own and expressly quoted the Shema (Deut. 6:4-5; see Mk. 12:29-30; cf. Matt. 22:37; Lk. 10:27). This guaranteed continuity between the old and the new covenants. The God whom Christians worship is the God of the fathers (Acts 3:13; 5:30; 22:14), the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Acts 3:13; 7:32; cf. Matt. 22:32; Mk. 12:26; Lk. 20:37), the God of Israel (Matt. 15:31; Lk. 1:68; Acts 13:17), and the God of Jesus Christ (2 Cor. 1:3; Eph. 1:3; 1Pet. 1:3).”

(New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology, Abridged Edition, p. 244)

And in saying so I am not denying a belief in the Deity of Christ!

In saying so, I am!

 

[Charlie24]

Pay attention to Doctrine....
"That we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, God's Son,
is both God and human, equally.

He is God from the essence of the Father,
begotten before time;
and he is human from the essence of his mother,
born in time;
completely God, completely human,
with a rational soul and human flesh;
equal to the Father as regards divinity,
less than the Father as regards humanity.

Although he is God and human,
yet Christ is not two, but one."

do you see dual souls or minds in there anywher???

I agree with your statement here, except for one thing!

Jesus was not "begotten before time." He has no beginning and no end, He was always with the Father before the foundation of the world. "Begotten" is referring to the incarnation when he became the Son of God in humanity to redeem the world.

Your problem keeps returning to who Christ is.

 

[ByGraceThroughFaith]

You do err, my friend! You have much to learn from the scripture!

very well said!