Why do Catholics…

[Ferris Bueller]

The ONLY thing that is “figurative” is the appearance of bread and wine.
The REALITY is Christ.

Are you really that dense? Listen carefully to yourself. You're saying the bread and wine are figurative, Christ is the reality. That's what non-Catholics believe, lol.
You're the box of rocks, lol!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Ignatius of Antioch
Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2-7:1 [A.D. 110]).

Let's just get something straight, right now.
I don't give a crap what these fellers have to say.
I have the original words of the Bible. I don't need to read corrupt people's corrupt, Spirit-less, and misguided, carnal interpretations of the Bible. I only need what the original Apostles and prophets wrote. I can't believe you don't agree with that. Why do you feel the scriptures are not sufficient and require additions from other people?

 

[Ferris Bueller]

no grace does but without the sacrament of baptism there can be no grace applied to the soul

That's the equivalent of saying Abraham could not receive grace until he got circumcised. You just don't know Romans 4. That's all there is to it - you are spiritually ignorant of the plain words of Romans 4.

 

[EloyCraft]

We don’t believe as non-Catholics do because we believe the bread and wine NO LONGER exist and have become the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ.

That's most of the problem isn't it? Anti-catholicism makes people think they know more than us about our faith. It makes people think Catholicism is shallow and Catholics don't know what they are believing.
Protestantism, especially if it lasts centuries, is challenging because of the added mental burdens of seeking truth with the powerful bias's inherent to protesting. Bias's that form from rivalry and an approach to truth distorted by a dependency on the existence of error.

There are so many brilliant Protestant thinkers crippled by the intellectual defects that happen after centuries of trying to develope a faith dependant on error. I think that approach to doctrine divides the mind and that division externalizes as it manifests attitudes of rivalry, and possessiveness in regards to truth.
I wish we could dialogue without the obstructions that prevent a sincere exchange of ideas.
All it would take is that they accept the possibility that Catholicism isn't whats taught by protesters.

 

[EloyCraft]

Why do you feel the scriptures are not sufficient and require additions from other people?

Because the bible is a tool for teaching, correcting, seeking deeper understanding. It's misused if it's a foundation of faith especially without the mechanisms required to guard the faith and maintain unity. Protestantism promotes addition by developing beliefs never believed before and takes from Scripture by abandoning beliefs always believed.
Why do you believe Scriptures alone can be the foundation of a Church and guard it from error?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Are you really that dense? Listen carefully to yourself. You're saying the bread and wine are figurative, Christ is the reality. That's what non-Catholics believe, lol.
You're the box of rocks, lol!

Let's just get something straight, right now.
I don't give a crap what these fellers have to say.
I have the original words of the Bible. I don't need to read corrupt people's corrupt, Spirit-less, and misguided, carnal interpretations of the Bible. I only need what the original Apostles and prophets wrote. I can't believe you don't agree with that. Why do you feel the scriptures are not sufficient and require additions from other people?

First of all – I simply showed you the testimonies of the Early Church to give a PORTRAIT of what the Church believed at the time of the Apostles – and they worshipped the Eucharist as Christ.

Since the Protestant Revolt in the 16th century – Protestantism has invented ALL KINDS of different and bizarre doctrines, yet YOU don’t have a problem with that – even the ones you DON’T agree with.
Even Martin Luther was disgusted at all of the splintering going on:

"There are almost as many sects and beliefs as there are heads; this one will not admit baptism; that one rejects the Sacrament of the altar; another places another world between the present one and the day of judgment; some teach that Jesus Christ is not God. There is not an individual, however clownish he may be, who does not claim to be inspired by the Holy Ghost, and who does not put forth as prophecies his ravings and dreams." - Martin Luther, Christians at Antwerp, 1525

YOUR idiotic rejection of the Early Church’s teachings is a PRIME example of Luther’s folly – and the blunder of ALL of your Protestant Fathers – MOST of who, by the way still clung to the belief in the Real Presence. This teaching was largely abandoned by THEIR successors.

Funny, how YOU can have such disdain for the SAME group of people who declared tha Canon of Scripture that YOU consider to be your “Sole” Authority
What incredible hypocrisy . . .

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Why do you believe Scriptures alone can be the foundation of a Church and guard it from error?

Because it is the original word of the prophets and apostles.
We don't need anybody else's word. ESPECIALLY the word of works salvationist Catholics.

 

[Illuminator]

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Protestantism promotes addition by developing beliefs never believed before and takes from Scripture by abandoning beliefs always believed.

First off, you are dead wrong to think your Catholic beliefs have always been believed. A simple examination of history shows Catholic doctrine was developed over the first few centuries, becoming more ridiculous with each century it seems. Secondly, the scriptures all by themselves guard us non-Catholics from the same spirit of error lurking in our non-Catholic churches as that which exists in your Catholic churches. It's just that you have cornered the market on false doctrines by embracing them as your official creeds and doctrines. At least we non-Catholics have the freedom to walk away from false teachings and seek and find the truth. Not so with you Catholics. You're stuck with whatever your leadership decides is the truth. What a horrible religion.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

First of all – I simply showed you the testimonies of the Early Church to give a PORTRAIT of what the Church believed at the time of the Apostles – and they worshipped the Eucharist as Christ.

Stop! Just because Catholic teachers claim the Apostles believed what they taught doesn't mean it's true. Good gosh, BOL, you're so gullible! You'll believe anything without proof!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Since the Protestant Revolt in the 16th century – Protestantism has invented ALL KINDS of different and bizarre doctrines, yet YOU don’t have a problem with that – even the ones you DON’T agree with.

I reject the bizarre doctrines of non-Catholics, too!
At least we non-Catholics have the freedom to seek and find the truth and are not told by a ridiculous overbearing church leadership that we can't do that without going to hell. Catholicism is a terrible religion! It's a cult!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Even Martin Luther was disgusted at all of the splintering going on:

I explained the three BIBLICAL reasons why there is going to be differences in the church. But, since I'm not a Catholic, you won't/ aren't allowed to listen to what I say! Even though I got them RIGHT OUT OF THE BIBLE.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

YOUR idiotic rejection of the Early Church’s teachings is a PRIME example of Luther’s folly

YOUR Catholic teachings are only some of the early church's teachings. You've been lied to by your cult church leaders that their beliefs were the only Christian beliefs at the time. Not even remotely true!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Funny, how YOU can have such disdain for the SAME group of people who declared tha Canon of Scripture that YOU consider to be your “Sole” Authority
What incredible hypocrisy .

Good grief, man! The Catholics didn't write the scriptures! Get off your high horse.

 

[Jim B]

I reject the bizarre doctrines of non-Catholics, too!
At least we non-Catholics have the freedom to seek and find the truth and are not told by a ridiculous overbearing church leadership that we can't do that without going to hell. Catholicism is a terrible religion! It's a cult!

Great post!!! Very, very true!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Stop! Just because Catholic teachers claim the Apostles believed what they taught doesn't mean it's true. Good gosh, BOL, you're so gullible! You'll believe anything without proof!

THIS, coming from a Sola Scripturist, who says that Scripture is our SOLE Authority.
Okay – let’s play that game . . .

Scripture says that:
- Jesus guaranteed that His Church would not succumb to darkness (Matt. 16:18).
- His Church would remain ONE – as He and the Father are ONE (John 17:20-23).
- WHATEVER His Church looses or binds on earth will be loosed or bound in Heaven (Matt. 16:19, 18:16-18).
- The Holy Spirit will guide His Church to ALL Truth (John 16:12-15).
- His Church is the Pillar and foundation of Truth (1 Tim. 3:15).
- His Church is the FULLNESS of Christ (Eph. 1:22-23).
- Jesus identifies His very SELF with His Church (Acts 9:4-5).

So, THERE’S my proof.
And, since YOUR sect didn't come about until 1500 years or more LATER - YOU don't have that proof.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I explained the three BIBLICAL reasons why there is going to be differences in the church. But, since I'm not a Catholic, you won't/ aren't allowed to listen to what I say! Even though I got them RIGHT OUT OF THE BIBLE.

Ahhhhh – YOU explained . . .
So, now, we must adhere to YOUT traditions??

Keep your 16th century, man-made manure.
I’ll stick with Christ’s Church . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Good grief, man! The Catholics didn't write the scriptures! Get off your high horse.

The Early Church was the Catholic Church.

What it wasn't was any of your disjointed Protestant factions . . .

 

[Illuminator]

Because it is the original word of the prophets and apostles.

Sorry, the "original word" is not confined to text.

We don't need anybody else's word.

Neither do we, and we don't divide God's written word from the spoken word. They come from the same source.

ESPECIALLY the word of works salvationist Catholics.

Why do you keep repeating the same lie over and over again? "works salvation" was condemned by the Catholic Church 1000 years before the first Protestant was born. Catholicism does not teach "works" apart from the grace of Christ, and this has been explained repeatedly. The problem could be your just brain washed, or you have been deceived by false teachers. Here is an example of a false teacher who knows he is lying but keeps lying anyway, with books and videos.
https://www.patheos.com/blogs/davea...-vs-distorted-caricatures-james-mccarthy.html

 

[theefaith]

That's the equivalent of saying Abraham could not receive grace until he got circumcised. You just don't know Romans 4. That's all there is to it - you are spiritually ignorant of the plain words of Romans 4.

the new covenant initiation is faith and baptism
Then you have union in Christ and access to God and His grace

acts 1:8 witnesses

“Without baptism, salvation is attainable by none” (ibid., 12).

ORIGEN
“It is not possible to receive forgiveness of sins without baptism” (Exhortation to the Martyrs 30 [A.D. 235]).

CYRIL OF JERUSALEM
“If any man does not receive baptism, he does not have salvation.

St. AUGUSTINE
“There are three ways in which sins are forgiven: in baptism, in prayer, and in the greater humility of penance; yet God does not forgive sins except to the baptized” (Sermons to Catechumens on the Creed 7:15 [A.D. 395]).