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What is your part in "Soul Winning".?

What is your part in leading someone to Christ. ?

The reason i ask is because most believers do not do either.....
They just dont.
Can be many reasons..
The worst excuse ive ever heard is this....>"well, what i try to do is let my light shine for others to see".

Well, imagine if Jesus's light had shined and he'd never said anything to anyone.
Its the same with you.

But here is the issue.
The reason most wont engage another human being they dont know with a conversation about Jesus, is because they are afraid they will not do it right, or they will look foolish.

Now, did you notice the Thread's Title?
Its the antidote to your fear of talking to someone about Jesus.
Listen..
Your part is not to convert them. You part is to be available for God to use.
Thats it.
If you are available, then God will arrange the rest.
And if you are not, He wont.

So, never worry that you can do it wrong or mess it up......as you can't save anyone.
See, That is not your part. That is GOD's Part.
This means you dont have to worry about that, as God will take care of His part, if you will be available.

Jesus said to go into the world and TELL THEM and make Disciples.
See that ? A Disciple is what you become AFTER you are SAVED.
The SAVING is God's part, and then you are to teach them the basics of Faith.
Never Theology, but only the fundamentals of FAITH at first, to get them grounded in their faith so that you can protect them from the heretics who will come to them and try to get them to doubt Salvation, doubt the Bible, and misunderstand the Cross and the Grace of God.
You have to make certain they are grounded in Grace... Hebrews 13:9, or your convert will become a victim of a heretic and they are legion.

Jesus never said.....Go into the world and save them, as you can't, as that is not your part.
ITs God's part to do the saving, and its our part to do the : AVAILABLE.
Just be available, and when you have that certain chance to share God's love, or be a comfort to a hurting person, then, let God do the rest.

God does not need your IQ.
He just needs your availability.

Just be available and dependable, and you'll find out soon enough what God will do with you.
 

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Exactly , its time to TELL THEM . This false evangelism that has long taken over the protestant realm
has only destroyed . ITS TIME to open thy lips and speak of Christ While doing good deeds as well .

Is there a better work, deed, or effort, you can do for God and Christ, then to tell someone how to become a part of God's family and let God take it from there?

Christians, so many, are interestingly majoring in the minors..
That is to say that, when you understand that you are going to Meet JESUS, and give account of what you did "in His Body"......as a believer, and you can only say..."well, i argued a lot on forums, spoke in Tongues, took the Sacraments, was water baptized, and i tried to teach that the bible is full of errors, and that you can lose your salvation for many years"..

Or......All you can say is...>"well, i never missed a SUNDAY in Church".

Well, HOLY GOD ALMIGHTY, that is NOTHING compared to leading one SOUL OUT OF HELL and into the ARMS of God and Christ.

Its REMARKABLE that believers are tied up for years and years with Forum obsession, and commandment keeping, and trying to live in Church, and die one day soon, and have not led anyone to Jesus..... or discipled one person.

Saint, dont be that one.
Lead one........disciple one..........at least once, or you'll stand facing Jesus and all you can do is talk about nothing that matters as much as THAT DOES.

What is the true purpose of being a CHRISTIAN, if not to help others become so?

And i'd place a high priority on giving to the poor, as the 2nd great work.
 

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The SAVING is God's part, and then you are to teach them the basics of Faith.

The OP seems to be about leading people to Jesus Christ - RIGHT? RIGHT?

So how then do we come to a conclusion "then you ar to teach them the basics of Faith."??????

Is not Jesus Christ called the Teacher??
Is it not written that they will all be taught of God??
And there is something about not letting many be teachers, isn't there?

The fact is that if we, anyone, seeks the Lord and starts listening to Him He is going to start teaching them!! I suppose if they have listen to Him enough, and learned from Him long enough, He might want to use them to pass on some of His teachings to others - but preaching the Word (and Jesus Christ is the Word of God) and teaching people are not the same thing!!

If we are trying to be The Teacher, then we are trying to be God instead of turn people to God!! We then are into pride, not the Lord!!

He has me turning people to Him!!!!!!!

That means I am trying to get people to listen to Him and hear what He has to say to them. He does sometimes ask me to bring a teaching that He gave me, but often those teachings He has me give them are also just designed to turn people to Him - not little old me, but HIM - We need to listen to Him!!! I am not your Teacher!!!! He is!! And I would think every Christian - even those who He goes occasionaly use to being a teaching from Him - would clearly understand that He is the Teacher who we are turning people to! Oh - maybe that is what is meant in the OP by "and then you are to teach them the basics of Faith", because that is teh basics of Faith!! That is to say our faith is in Him (Jesus Christ)!! But that is not really a teaching as much as it is simply turning people to Him so they might hear from Him, right?

Let me just put down a few of the little sayings from Him (that perhaps someone might think are teachings, but I count as preaching Him)

EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT A PREACHER PREACHES IS THEIR (GOD)!

I preach Jesus Christ, that we need to seek Him and listen to Him. So I am not proclaiming that I am the Teacher. I am not other people's god and don't want to be.

He once told me:

TO BELIEVE ME FOR MORE YOU MUST FIRST BELIEVE ME FOR WHAT I'VE ALREADY GIVEN YOU.

It is written that God so loved the world that He gave us His only begotten Son. So get more you first but believe that God has given you His only begotten Son - so you (anyone) can actually listen to Him for advice, wonderful counsel, and teachings. If we really believe that we will listen to Him and try to get other people to listen to Him as opposed to trying to get them to seek us for teachings, right?

Another time He told me:

They say, “I KNOW, I KNOW, BUT WHO DO THEY KNOW?”

It is not about them knowing me, it is about all of us knowing Him. But if my message is that we are going to know to be the teachers of others, then we are just pointing people to us, not Him. They need to know Him. So who do they know is a question have. If indeed they know Him then certainly, they are not going to be pointing people to themselves, because knowing Him means knowing that He is God and not you. They don't need you, then need God!

Perhaps someone reads this post and thinks I am asking them to listen to me - but I don't see how! This post and any teachings that might happen to be in it, is design to turn people to Him and get them to listen to Him. So it is not really teaching but preaching Him, isn't it?
 

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The OP seems to be about leading people to Jesus Christ - RIGHT? RIGHT?
So how then do we come to a conclusion "then you ar to teach them the basics of Faith."??????

Essentially....The Thread is talking about helping a non-believer find God's Grace.
You do understand this Karl?

In Later posts, I refer to what you do after you have led this person.
How do i know all this?
= Experience.

See..... God has established them as a Son, based on accepting their faith as righteousness. "faith is COUNTED as..... righteousness"... "Justified BY Faith".
This happens once, when they first believed.
Then, Jesus says, we are to make disciples.. Literally, we who know how, are to make disciples out of Sons.
That's interesting isn't it.?
To do that, has a beginning, and it has to be to get them grounded in the correct understanding of why they have become, as a "new creation in Christ", and WHY.

They have to become this verse... and its up to the person teaching them, that they do... Hebrews 13:9

See, We are dealing with a baby Christian.
And Karl, you dont teach them to run, before they can even walk.
 

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It is after you lead someone to Christ that you really don't need to teach them, isn't it.???

I mean if they don't actually know the Lord and listen to them then they might need some teaching from the Lord that comes through you from you listening to Him, but they don't need it if they are listening to Him daily!!

So havn't you got it exactly backwards??

Or perhaps you don't think God knows how to take care of His babies?
 

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It is after you lead someone to Christ that you really don't need to teach them, isn't it.???

Well, you can believe that a person who has never read a bible, and maybe does not own one, should just be left alone to try to figure out what Paul teaches, and what Jesus said.
But a true believer, who is capable of doing what Jesus said.....>"make disciples".........has the responsibility to teach.

Listen,
Christianity is handed down from the Cross, to the Apostles, to the rest of us.
We are all in a chain, that is connected to the ROOT, who is The Christ.
Jesus taught the Apostles, and the Apostles started Churches filled with people they TAUGHT.
Do you understand this?
Are you able ?
And Later, God gave the bible to us, to "study to show yourself approved".....and once you are, you are now in a position to "Make disciples".

See, you can lead someone to Christ, but to make a disciple, you have to know some things.
And according to what you keep writing, you dont know them yet, Karl.
 
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I wasn't going to church when God came into my life. My parents had taken me to church as a kid. The church taught me lots of things in Sunday school classes, but what they didn't teach me was that the Lord was actually there for me to talk to!! That Christian church with all there Sunday school classes were not actually leading people to Christ but to themselves!!

So it was that I was 40 going through a divorce and sleeping downstairs when a voice came and told me "READ YOUR BIBLE!" It hit me hard as if someone had hit me with a 2 x 4. My body was shaking and then I got a vision of my Bible behind my time clock. I turned and it was there. What my Bible was doing there was a mystery to me. It was something my mom gave many years before. I read the Bible, learn that I could hear from the Lord and Him and I got to know each other. He started taking me to church. and a church like that I used to be taken to. They did all the Sunday school classes, but they didn't really tell people to seek Jesus Christ and listen to Him.

So when I took a class they want new people in the church to take there was a problem. They wanted to know our spiritual gifts and had a test for it. I answer the test, asking the Lord for advice on it as I took it. According to there test I had a strong gift of evangelism and prophecy. The "teacher" of that class was upset with my results. She started telling the class she didn't believe in prophecy, which of course is just stupid thinking to anyone who does actually hear from Him. Is it not obvious that God/Him, can tell you what He is going to do just like He is telling what He wants you to do. So she didn't hear from Him, but she was perhaps the main 'teacher' in that church if you don't count the pastors. She wanted to be the teacher, she wanted to tell everyone what she knew, but she didn't know the Lord!! I sat in that class listening to that 'teacher' make fun of my test score on the test they gave me. I didn't say a thing. I just listened in amazement.

That was 20 years ago, and I have found many people who want to be the teacher instead of turn people to the Teacher. The Lord taught me, and one of the teachings was that there are people who want to be the teachers but they don't listen to Him. He compared her to Nicodemus. He does use the Bible to teach us, but He also uses all the things around us to teach us.

You know Nicodemus even knew Jesus was a teacher, but didn't understand that he shouldn't be.

Jn 3:1,2 Now there was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews; this man came to Jesus by night and said to Him, “Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher; for no one can do these [fn]signs that You do unless God is with him.”

Jn 3:10,11 Jesus answered and said to him, “Are you the teacher of Israel and do not understand these things? “Truly, truly, I say to you, we speak of what we know and testify of what we have seen, and you do not accept our testimony.

I testify that Jesus Christ is alive and active and is the Teacher. He is because anyone can hear from Him and all those who really seek Him find Him!! When I seek Him I find Him, so the problem comes when I fail to believe in Him like that, and that means I can also fail to believe in Him for others like that!
 

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I testify that Jesus Christ is alive and active and is the Teacher. He is because anyone can hear from Him and all those who really seek Him find Him!! When I seek Him I find Him, so the problem comes when I fail to believe in Him like that, and that means I can also fail to believe in Him for others like that!

Karl, You had a bad experience with a cult.
Only a cult is "going to test you for your spiritual gifts".
Have you ever read such NONSENSE in a bible? That's because its not biblical.
Why don't you know that, perhaps explains your deep misunderstanding with Teachers and Discipling.
Listen ....
Your one bad experience, that happened long ago that you are not over yet... does not authorize you to FALSELY teach that God giving "teachers", "Apostles", Evangelists", to the body of Christ... is "Not necessary".

You need to THINK about what you are writing, as its really bad information, Karl.
And why? Because its not true.
 

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Well, you can believe that a person who has never read a bible, and maybe does not own one, should just be left alone to try to figure out what Paul teaches, and what Jesus said.

God is omni-present and Jesus Christ is God. He said He would never leave us! Does a parent leave their baby alone? No - and neither does Jesus Christ leave His babies alone. Why do you even think like that?

I am not saying that the Lord does not use the church to teach, but if He has not specifically called you to teach and it is written that not many should be teachers, why should we tell people that they are going to be teaching others? He can tell them if He wants and when He wants, so it is not my job to tell them unless He specifically gives a word from Him to give them on that subject!!

Doesn't it seem like some are saying that they believe in Jesus, but then seem to come across as if He is not there as God to do what He needs to do??

I was about off to my storage unit to get orders for my business this morning when I heard that He wanted me to post. So I came and posted like He asked. Now I have spent quite some time just pointing to Jesus Christ. He is there! He is God! He is the Word of God who people can inquire of!! He is the Teacher! So it was written to let nobody be called Teacher because we have only one teacher. Don't we listen to Him and understand, yet?

So if He ask you to actually bring a teaching, do so, but He can get through the new Christian much better than you can!! He do that even if they don't have a Bible!! How did Abraham get to know Him? So ask ourselves; are we are trying to be Him or point people to Him?
 

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God is omni-present and Jesus Christ is God. He said He would never leave us! Does a parent leave their baby alone??

That Jesus does not leave us proves that you can't lose your salvation, if you are born again.
However, God gives Pastors, Teachers, and similar for "the perfecting of the Saints".
 
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Exactly , its time to TELL THEM . This false evangelism that has long taken over the protestant realm
has only destroyed . ITS TIME to open thy lips and speak of Christ While doing good deeds as well .
Luke 12:12
for the Holy Spirit will teach you at that time what you should say.”
 

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That Jesus does not leave us proves that you can't lose your salvation, if you are born again.
However, God gives Pastors, Teachers, and similar for "the perfecting of the Saints".

Jesus never leaving us means a whole lot more than "that you can't lose your salvation"!!!!

It means that He is always with us to talk to us!!!!

The Word of God we preach is near us!! That is the Word of God we are preaching, and Jesus Christ is the Word of God!! Jesus Christ is called the Word of God because He talks to us via His Holy Spirit. And so we find the words He speaks to us in our heart and sometime in our mouth, because His Holy Spirit brings His words to our spirit!!

So everyday day called "Today" we should be hearing from Him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If indeed you are born again, you hear the sound of the wind (Holy Spirit) and we testify to that. Jesus explained that His words are spirit. So we hear His Holy Spirit speaking to our spirit in words everyday - right??? That is what it means to be born again, that His sheep hear His voice, and it is a voice which speaks words to us. So we hear from our Teacher (Jesus Christ)!!!

Yeah, that means salvation to us, but that salvation means more in this life and in the next. So we have already passed through judgment. The Scriptures explain all this, but we know that because our Teacher talks to us personally, right!! Today He talks to us, right??

So why do you think He needs you to teach anything??

Well, He may have some reasons, like the fact that He like to create positive relationships between people. So perhaps He asks you to post something, even a teaching that He gave you. That is great. I love getting some teachings that people have and I can read on this forum. But He does need me to give someone who hears from Him a teaching. He can do that Himself!! So I don't tell people He is going to make you a teacher - indeed it is written that we have only Ony Teacher (Him). So even if I give someone a teaching I got from Him, it is not my teaching, but His that I am trying to pass on. That means that I am pointing to Him as the Teacher, and implying that they should listen to Him for more teachings!

Therefore I credit Him with being the Teacher, not me, and point people to Him even when I bring a teaching from Him!!

I have already given specific examples of teachings He gave me that I like. I will give you another, but that doesn't mean I am a teacher, but it just means we can all hear from Him if we seek Him - and it also means He has interesting things to say. At least that is my opinion.

He once told me this teaching:

YOU ARE OBIDIENT BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE I AM GOD,

--NOT BECAUSE YOU LOVE ME, BUT THAT HELPS,

--NOT BECAUSE I HAVE GIVEN YOU WISDOM, BUT THAT HELPS,

--NOT BECAUSE YOU ENJOY DOING THINGS WITH ME, BUT THAT HELPS

YOU ARE OBIDIENT BECAUSE YOU BELIEVE I AM GOD AND YOU FEAR ME LIKE A SMALL CHILD FEARS HIS FATHER.

SO, IF YOU HAVE NO FAITH YOU CAN NOT TRULY BE OBIDIENT
 

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Its good that you believe that you can't lose your salvation.
As that means you are trusting in Christ, and not in yourself.

Because I believe I can't lose my salvation does not mean that I am trusting in Christ and not myself. Hearing Him and doing what He asks means I am trusting in Him and not myself!

Remember there are many on that day who will tell Him about how they did things in His name only to be told by Him that He never knew them? So there indeed are going to be many who thought they were trusting in Christ, thinking that doing things in His name but according to their own ideas was leading them to believe they were not going to lose their salvation!!! Sadly, they were wrong. They needed to know Him, so that they were doing things according to what He was asking them and not just leaning on their own understanding of just doing what they thought best in His name while not actually getting to know Him!

BIG BIG BIG PROBLEM!!! "MANY" He said, so there will be "MANY". So it is absolutely not my thinking I am going to be saved and thinking I am trusting in Him because I do things in His name. It is my actually knowing Him!! I do know Him, because Him and I talk. I hear from Him everyday! So we know each other. He would have to be a liar to say that He never knew me, and He is not a liar! And I can tell you things He tells me everyday! Of course we talk back and forth everyday! He said He would never leave me. And since He is love, most days I hear something like, "Karl, I love you". That is what you will hear if you know Him who is love!

In fact just a couple of hours ago He was again talking to me about this. He was telling me, "Karl, I love you. I don't love you because you do things for me, but I like that. I don't love you because you listen to me, but that is good. I love you because I made you and I see my creation in you when you love others."
 

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Because I believe I can't lose my salvation does not mean that I am trusting in Christ and not myself. "

Never trust in yourself and your self EFFORT, to go to heaven, as that will fail you, 100%.
Always and ONLY Trust in Christ to get you there, as its only Christ Himself who makes you worthy to go.
Jesus is THE WAY, and there is no other. John 14:6
 
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What is your part in leading someone to Christ. ?
The reason i ask is because most believers do not do either.....
They just dont.

Perhaps they simply don't feel it's their calling?
For example monks happily shut themselves away in monasteries because they feel that's their calling..;)
 

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Perhaps they simply don't feel it's their calling?
For example monks happily shut themselves away in monasteries because they feel that's their calling..;)

I would be skeptical of someone's Salvation, if they have no unction, desire, or need, to want to lead hell bound people into the arms of their Forgiving Father God.
Its simply not possible to be born again, and have Jesus in you, and Jesus in you not lead you to the desire and opportunity to lead someone to Him.
This is literally JOB #1, regarding every born again child of God.
If a born again Child of God does not have any desire to do this, then their faith is dead and their Christianity is marred beyond recognition.

Every single believer is a minister of the Gospel, and that means we who are born again are designated to bring the Light and Life of Jesus, into our own world of influence.
That means "tell them".
 

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Because I believe I can't lose my salvation does not mean that I am trusting in Christ and not myself. Hearing Him and doing what He asks means I am trusting in Him and not myself!

Remember there are many on that day who will tell Him about how they did things in His name only to be told by Him that He never knew them? So there indeed are going to be many who thought they were trusting in Christ, thinking that doing things in His name but according to their own ideas was leading them to believe they were not going to lose their salvation!!! Sadly, they were wrong. They needed to know Him, so that they were doing things according to what He was asking them and not just leaning on their own understanding of just doing what they thought best in His name while not actually getting to know Him!

BIG BIG BIG PROBLEM!!! "MANY" He said, so there will be "MANY". So it is absolutely not my thinking I am going to be saved and thinking I am trusting in Him because I do things in His name. It is my actually knowing Him!! I do know Him, because Him and I talk. I hear from Him everyday! So we know each other. He would have to be a liar to say that He never knew me, and He is not a liar! And I can tell you things He tells me everyday! Of course we talk back and forth everyday! He said He would never leave me. And since He is love, most days I hear something like, "Karl, I love you". That is what you will hear if you know Him who is love!

In fact just a couple of hours ago He was again talking to me about this. He was telling me, "Karl, I love you. I don't love you because you do things for me, but I like that. I don't love you because you listen to me, but that is good. I love you because I made you and I see my creation in you when you love others."



I am very skeptical of those that say that they “ hear” from God.....is this something audible ....something just like a human being speaking that is sitting beside you? I personally think that it’s a type of Spiritual “ power play”—- a game of Spiritual “ one-upmanship”.......and now, as a part of this “ game” one feels the urgency to apologize just in case you really “are” talking to God audibly....I’m not going to do that...
 

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I would be skeptical of someone's Salvation, if they have no unction, desire, or need, to want to lead hell bound people into the arms of their Forgiving Father God..

In that case you'd better go round knocking on monastery doors and telling the monks to get out into the world to preach..:)
A monk once told me- "When we pray, we carry the whole of humanity", so who's to say they're not doing a good job in that respect?
Furthermore Jesus said-"The work God requires is to believe in the one he has sent" (John 6:28)
And Paul said- "Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling" (Philippians 2:12 KJV)
The moral of that is we should always look to saving ourselves first, before trying to save others..:)