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I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Rom 11:1
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. Rom 11:1
If you read the whole chpater of romans 11, Paul is speaking to gentile christians. He is explaining why they have been accepted into Gods kingdom and why some Isrealites have not. He explains that because some of the jews were unfaithful, God had cast them off and this action has made it possible for people of the nations to take a position which were originally set aside for the jews.
17 However, if some of the branches were broken off but you, although being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became a sharer of the olive’s root of fatness, 18 do not be exulting over the branches. If, though, you are exulting over them, it is not you that bear the root, but the root [bears] you. 19 You will say, then: “Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.” 20 All right! For [their] lack of faith they were broken off, but you are standing by faith. Quit having lofty ideas, but be in fear. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you
So really, its not that Isreal had been cast aside...its just that many of them refused to put faith in the messiah and for that reason they could not be taken into Gods kingdom. But a remnant of them were faithful...Pauls opening words exclaim "Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite" So obviously as a whole, they were not discarded. God only removed the unfaithful branches.
Vengle,
I perceive we are drawing to the same conclusion which is comforting if a meeting of minds resulted from this study.
I can see you are taking a macro view of the subject. If you don’t mind I will consider the micro and see if they both agree.
The question is of interest don’t you think?
"Hath God cast away His people?"
The Gk "cast away" is apotheo meaning "to thrust from oneself, to cast off, by way of rejection".
Should the answer be YES this would negate all His promises to the fathers, and to bring discredit upon His holy Name.
And we both know this will not do!
"Yahweh will not forsake His people for His great Name's sake: because it hath pleased Yahweh to make you His people"
This is an important principle which must always be front of mind!
While the door has been opened to the Gentiles, we have NOT replaced Israel, ABSOLUTLEY NOT!!!
God's righteousness demands that He disciplines all His people when their actions require it (See Heb. 12:5,6,7), He does so in love and for their development and not evidence of His rejection of their position of privilege.
As you have said Vengle - God will fulfil His purpose with Israel, a principle witnessed by His faithfulness in creation: Jer. 33:20,21.
In no way can this be argued.
Insight
I do appreciate the spirit of love you show in the way you tell me this.
What I see though is that you are confusing God's loyalty to his people with loyalty to that fleshly nation.
The nation came through the man Jacob but the true people of God came through Israel.
Ponder that.
Here is a key:
Promises to the flesh came always with conditions.
Promises to the perpetual seed were guaranteed.
Search and see that the promise to multiple Abraham's seed that does not come through Christ was conditional.
Search and see that the promise to multiply Abraham's seed through Christ was guaranteed.
And I should add "Why did Paul use Jacob in Rom 11:26?"
Insight
We will get around to the rest of what you said at the right time for it.
As to the answer of your question above:
Because there is no ungodliness in the true Israel as it is only God's proven true Israel once ungodliness is banished from Jacob and his flesh. That flesh is being destroyed. In that way all who really are Israel are saved. Romans 9:6-8
Hebrews 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
Why do you think that John keeps telling us: 1 John 3:6 "Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him."
Jacob also pictures Jesus the son of Man who bore the world's sins that in him sin might be destroyed.
There is more to learn than most are even aware of. Most have not even gotten a glimpse yet.
1 Peter 1:16 "Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy."
Hi Pegg,
It is (really) important you understand that natural Israel's rejection was only temporary.
That is what Paul is teaching in Rom:11:1-10
Insight
hi,
ok so why do you say it is only temporary? There must be some scriptural evidence to suggest this?
For clarity when do you see Rom 11:26KJV fulfilled? i.e "shall"
This may help my next post.
Insight
yes, it denotes that we must go through a period of becoming holy. Rom 11:26
Well,
Firstly you should heed the emphasis in which he answers the question. It was as an fervent denial by him as possible. Almost like his is horrified of the very thought of Israel's permanent rejection. (Rom 3:4).
I like how Rotherham’s translates this "Far be it!".
If it were true Pegg you would have Yahweh openly denying His character and have Him ignoring his purpose with Israel..
Paul goes on to prove his point by providing us three facts about himself which need considering:I do hope to explore this in more detail.
- I am an Israelite
- Of the Seed of Abraham
- Of the Tribe of Benjamin
Might I add this Pegg.
Why do you think Paul introduces this personal note into his narrative? Rom 11:1?
With love in the Master