Electing New Pope

[BreadOfLife]

No, the OT is abolished for the Spirit led saint.
You are not a Spirit led saint, therefore you use OT relics.
You mimic the OT priest to try to sooth your conscience because you are not under the Law of the Spirit.
You are, and always have been, under the OT Law.
Enjoy.

Yup - that's precisely what a Biblical illiterate would say.

Those of us who are educated and deep in the Word of God, however, understand the significance of the NT fulfillments of OT Types.
Too bac YOUR sect doesn't teach what Jesus said:
Matt. 5:17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have NOT come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

For Biblical illiterates like YOU - the "Law and the Prophets" is referring to the OT.
Do your homework . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

same reason i dont adhere to some other protestant realms , EVEN though they agree the bible is cannon . Just cause
the KKK says the bible is the word of GOD , Dont mean i am gonna follow that crowd or example .
same with the SDA or any other group that might say a truth and yet sure dont live the truth . same with the CC .
But go ye and learn what that meaneth . Just cause they put the bible together dont mean they followed it . Anymore
than those who claim the beauty of truth by saying it was inspired by GOD , YET THEY TOO contradict it . THE CC is the master of this
but her protestant daughters sure are running the race to come in first place . Cause i have never seen such a falling away in all my life
and yet still some of them have the nerve to claim they follow Christ and the bible . PROOF they sure never learned it but rather
sat under men who twisted it . AS DID the CC itself .

The KKK and YOU and the SDA a- nd ALL the rest follow the NT Canon that the Catholic Church declared in the 4th century - and reiterated SEVERAL times after..
Why is it that NONE of you can answer the simple question as to WHY you do?

WHY do you follow a Catholic Tradition when tou vehemently reject that same Catholic Church as "evil"??
Either you're all VERY SYUPID - or you're just confused.
Soooooooo, WHICH is it?

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Trump ran on the concept he was no politician , yet the man still gets the highest office of a politician .
So marvel not when i say write to the vatican and put me in as pope . TRUE i aint no catholic,
but it dont mean i cant clean house .

Your first act as pope, celibacy is elective!

True guilty pedophile priests are burned at the stake. Viva vintage traditions.

 

[BreadOfLife]

and a church whose leaders are hirelings shall beget two fold the children of hell than even they themselves were .
For error begets only more error . Just a reminder when i read your nation of sheep reminder .

Trump ran on the concept he was no politician , yet the man still gets the highest office of a politician .
So marvel not when i say write to the vatican and put me in as pope . TRUE i aint no catholic, but it dont mean i cant clean house .

We got us a govt of wolves indeed . But when a church no longer shines the light of Christ
expect evil to abound and grow massive .

So much for seeker friendly , error left uncorrected begets much more error and quickly too has leaven rises to the full .

Clean out the religous swamp i say .

You're FULL of one-liners - but you STILL can't tell me why you adhere to the CATHOLIC Tradition of the New Testament as your "SOLE" Authority - CAN you?

Yeah - that's what I thought . . .

 

[amigo de christo]

Your first act as pope, celibacy is elective!

True guilty pedophile priests are burned at the stake. Viva vintage traditions.

Only God has the right to put them to death . But cast them out of the church . Yes celibacy is elective is correct .
As far as sins , all sins get corrected and to those who refuse to repent and heed the truth they get cast out of the church
till they sorrow to repentance . A little leaven always lumps full if its not corrected and dealt with according to the original biblical pattern .

 

[BreadOfLife]

True guilty pedophile priests are burned at the stake. Viva vintage traditions.

Make sure you burn all of your Protestant pedophile clergy as well.
You may as well get-em, all - right?

 

[Truther]

Yup - that's precisely what a Biblical illiterate would say.

Those of us who are educated and deep in the Word of God, however, understand the significance of the NT fulfillments of OT Types.
Too bac YOUR sect doesn't teach what Jesus said:
Matt. 5:17
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have NOT come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

For Biblical illiterates like YOU - the "Law and the Prophets" is referring to the OT.
Do your homework . . .

Tell your priest to stop play acting the role of a high priest in the OT tabernacle.

He looks goofy in that robe, attending to an altar that God does not dwell in.

Think about it.

God dwells in humans, not the silly playhouse with the cup of wafers in it....LOL.

 

[Truther]

Make sure you burn all of your Protestant pedophile clergy as well.
You may as well get-em, all - right?

The Catholic church is the founder of protestantism.

She protested Peter and Acts 2:38 for the last 1700 years.

The sub-protestants you are speaking of(that also protest Peter and Acts 2:38) are your Church's daughters.

The RCC is the original protestant, beginning at the council of Nicea, 325ad.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Make sure you burn all of your Protestant pedophile clergy as well.
You may as well get-em, all - right?

Absolutely. Nuns not exempt either.

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

You're FULL of one-liners - but you STILL can't tell me why you adhere to the CATHOLIC Tradition of the New Testament as your "SOLE" Authority - CAN you?

Yeah - that's what I thought . . .

What Catholic tradition as sole authority are you referring to?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Tell your priest to stop play acting the role of a high priest in the OT tabernacle.

He looks goofy in that robe, attending to an altar that God does not dwell in.
Think about it.
God dwells in humans, not the silly playhouse with the cup of wafers in it....LOL.

Our High Priest is Jesus Christ. The rest of the priests in His Chirch are the Ministerial Priesthood.
Time for another Bible Lesson . . .

In the Old Testament, there were three levels of Priests:
- The High Priest (Lev. 16, Haggai 1:12-14 S).
- The Levitical/Ministerial Priesthood (Lev. 16).
- The rest of the people were a General priesthood of believers (Exod. 19:6).

In the New Testament, there are also three levels of Priests:
- Jesus, our High Priest (1 Tim. 2:5, Heb. 7:22-25)
- The Ministerial Priests (James 5:14-15)
- The General priesthood of all Christians (1 Peter 2:5-9).

Just as with all New Testament fulfillments, the fulfillment is always more glorious than the Old Testament type.

In Rom 15:15-16, Paul uses the word “Hierurgeo”, which is the verb form of the Greek “Hierus” (priests) – the SAME word used for “priest” throughout the NT.

Rom 15:15-16:
But on some points I have written to you very boldly by way of reminder, because of the grace given me by God to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the PRIESTLY service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

Your KJV translates this word as “Minister” because of an obvious anti-Priest Protestant agenda.

What the following verses are describing is the definition of the duties of the Ministerial Priesthood:
(John 20:21-23, 2 Cor. 5:18-20, 2 Cor. 2:10, James 5:14-15)

 

[BreadOfLife]

What Catholic tradition as sole authority are you referring to?

The New Testament Canon is a Catholic Tradition.
The NT doe NOT give us a list of Books that Belong in it. It's is the SAME Cann if Scripture that ALL Protestants adhere to. Protestants consider the Bible their "SOLE" Authority - Sola Scriptura.

The Synod of Rome (382) is where the canon was first formally identified – ALL 73 (not 66) Books.
- 11 years after that, it was confirmed at the Synod of Hippo (393).
- 4 years later, at the Council (or Synod) of Carthage (397), it was yet again confirmed. The bishops wrote at the end of their document, "But let Church beyond sea (Rome) be consulted about confirming this canon". There were 44 bishops, including St. Augustine who signed the document.
- 7 years later, in 405, in a letter from Pope Innocent I to Exsuperius, Bishop of Toulouse, he reiterated the canon.
- 14 years after that, at the 2nd Council (Synod) of Carthage (419) the canon was again formally confirmed.

The Canon of Scripture was officially closed at the Council of Trent in the 16th century because of the perversions happening within Protestantism and the random editing and deleting of books from the Canon.

Hence - it's a Catholic Tradition.
Do you know where Protestants got their OT Canon?

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

The New Testament Canon is a Catholic Tradition.
The NT doe NOT give us a list of Books that Belong in it. It's is the SAME Cann if Scripture that ALL Protestants adhere to. Protestants consider the Bible their "SOLE" Authority - Sola Scriptura.

The Synod of Rome (382) is where the canon was first formally identified – ALL 73 (not 66) Books.
- 11 years after that, it was confirmed at the Synod of Hippo (393).
- 4 years later, at the Council (or Synod) of Carthage (397), it was yet again confirmed. The bishops wrote at the end of their document, "But let Church beyond sea (Rome) be consulted about confirming this canon". There were 44 bishops, including St. Augustine who signed the document.
- 7 years later, in 405, in a letter from Pope Innocent I to Exsuperius, Bishop of Toulouse, he reiterated the canon.
- 14 years after that, at the 2nd Council (Synod) of Carthage (419) the canon was again formally confirmed.

The Canon of Scripture was officially closed at the Council of Trent in the 16th century because of the perversions happening within Protestantism and the random editing and deleting of books from the Canon.

Hence - it's a Catholic Tradition.
Do you know where Protestants got their OT Canon?

Do tell.

The council of Trent decided Sola Fide was anathema. Along with other Solas they identified.

 

[Illuminator]

Do tell.

The council of Trent decided Sola Fide was anathema.

Trent decided a faulty interpretation of "faith alone" (in the absence of hope and charity) was anathema. Every evangelical Protestant agrees we are not justified by mere intellectual ascent alone. Pope Benedict XVI made a startling proclamation: “Luther’s expression sola fide is true if faith is not opposed to charity, to love” (Wednesday Audience, Nov. 19, 2008). At first, this statement might seem to collide with Trent: “If anyone says that the godless are justified by faith alone . . . let him be anathema” (Trent, VI, canon 9). Again, “For faith, unless hope and charity are added thereto, neither unites one perfectly with Christ nor makes one a living member of his body” (Trent, VI, ch. 7).
There are differences of expression, emphasis, and insight here. But do the differences constitute contradictions? Heavens no!
Justification Sola Fide
“By Faith Alone?” Part I

 

[Truther]

Our High Priest is Jesus Christ. The rest of the priests in His Chirch are the Ministerial Priesthood.
Time for another Bible Lesson . . .

In the Old Testament, there were three levels of Priests:
- The High Priest (Lev. 16, Haggai 1:12-14 S).
- The Levitical/Ministerial Priesthood (Lev. 16).
- The rest of the people were a General priesthood of believers (Exod. 19:6).

In the New Testament, there are also three levels of Priests:
- Jesus, our High Priest (1 Tim. 2:5, Heb. 7:22-25)
- The Ministerial Priests (James 5:14-15)
- The General priesthood of all Christians (1 Peter 2:5-9).

Just as with all New Testament fulfillments, the fulfillment is always more glorious than the Old Testament type.

In Rom 15:15-16, Paul uses the word “Hierurgeo”, which is the verb form of the Greek “Hierus” (priests) – the SAME word used for “priest” throughout the NT.

Rom 15:15-16:
But on some points I have written to you very boldly by way of reminder, because of the grace given me by God to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the PRIESTLY service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

Your KJV translates this word as “Minister” because of an obvious anti-Priest Protestant agenda.

What the following verses are describing is the definition of the duties of the Ministerial Priesthood:
(John 20:21-23, 2 Cor. 5:18-20, 2 Cor. 2:10, James 5:14-15)

Every saint is an equal in the NT priesthood.

It is the wretced RCC that created a so-called "laity".

Every saint is of a royal priesthood, not some exorcist in a robe at a mass.

Everything about the RCC is corrupt, especially starting the division I am speaking of in Christendom.

The 5 fold ministry of the 1st century morphed into the 5 fold priesthood of the 4th century.

Laity becomes the "11 tribes" to support the "1 tribe".

Insane.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Every saint is an equal in the NT priesthood.

It is the wretced RCC that created a so-called "laity".

Every saint is of a royal priesthood, not some exorcist in a robe at a mass.

Everything about the RCC is corrupt, especially starting the division I am speaking of in Christendom.
The 5 fold ministry of the 1st century morphed into the 5 fold priesthood of the 4th century.
Laity becomes the "11 tribes" to support the "1 tribe".
Insane.

WRONG again.
Apparently, you didn’t actually READ my last post – so here it is again for your edification:

In the Old Testament, there were three levels of Priests:
- The High Priest (Lev. 16, Haggai 1:12-14 S).
- The Levitical/Ministerial Priesthood (Lev. 16).
- The rest of the people were a General priesthood of believers (Exod. 19:6).

In the New Testament, there are also three levels of Priests:
- Jesus, our High Priest (1 Tim. 2:5, Heb. 7:22-25)
- The Ministerial Priests (James 5:14-15)
- The General priesthood of all Christians (1 Peter 2:5-9).

In Rom 15:15-16, Paul uses the word “Hierurgeo”, which is the verb form of the Greek “Hierus” (priests) – the SAME word used for “priest” throughout the NT.
What the following verses are describing is the definition of the duties of the Ministerial Priesthood (John 20:21-23, 2 Cor. 5:18-20, 2 Cor. 2:10, James 5:14-15).

FURTHERMORE – Paul differentiates the ministerial Priesthood from the laity:
1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you,

1 Tim. 5:17
Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

I suggest you STUDY these verses before posting anymore nonsense.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Do tell.

The council of Trent decided Sola Fide was anathema. Along with other Solas they identified.

Let me ask you:
Can you show me AMY place in ALL of Scripture where “Faith alone”(Sola Fide) is advocated?

In fact, the ONLY place where we see this verse (Faith alone) is in James 2:24, where it emphatically states:
James 2:24
You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.

I would say that SCRIPTURE pretty much anathematizes Sola Fida.
Anyway, I thought we were discussing the false, man made, 16th century invention of Sola Scriptura . . .

 

[Truther]

WRONG again.
Apparently, you didn’t actually READ my last post – so here it is again for your edification:

In the Old Testament, there were three levels of Priests:
- The High Priest (Lev. 16, Haggai 1:12-14 S).
- The Levitical/Ministerial Priesthood (Lev. 16).
- The rest of the people were a General priesthood of believers (Exod. 19:6).

In the New Testament, there are also three levels of Priests:
- Jesus, our High Priest (1 Tim. 2:5, Heb. 7:22-25)
- The Ministerial Priests (James 5:14-15)
- The General priesthood of all Christians (1 Peter 2:5-9).

In Rom 15:15-16, Paul uses the word “Hierurgeo”, which is the verb form of the Greek “Hierus” (priests) – the SAME word used for “priest” throughout the NT.
What the following verses are describing is the definition of the duties of the Ministerial Priesthood (John 20:21-23, 2 Cor. 5:18-20, 2 Cor. 2:10, James 5:14-15).

FURTHERMORE – Paul differentiates the ministerial Priesthood from the laity:
1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you,

1 Tim. 5:17
Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.

I suggest you STUDY these verses before posting anymore nonsense.

I see, you teach there are 3 levels of priests in the NT church and this only applies to the 3rd level....


9 But ye(Catholic Priests) are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.


LOL

 

[Illuminator]

I see, you teach there are 3 levels of priests in the NT church and this only applies to the 3rd level....
9 But ye(Catholic Priests) are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
LOL

You are very confused. Verse 9 refers the the common priesthood, which we don't deny.
"... the three-fold model of the priesthood which was in use at the time of Aaron was carried over into the New Testament and thus we find there also a high priest, ministerial priests, and universal priests. In the New Testament age the high priest is Jesus Christ (Heb. 3:1), the ministerial priests are Christ’s ordained ministers of the gospel (Rom. 15:16), and the universal priests are the entire Christian people (1 Peter. 2:5, 9).

So the Bible clearly states that all Christians are priests (1 Peter 2:5, 9), as the Catholic Church clearly teaches for all who bother to read its teachings, see Catechism of the Catholic Church 1141-4, 1268, 1305, 1535, 1547, 1591-2 on the common priesthood. But the Bible also said the same thing about the Israelites (Ex. 19:6), yet this did not prevent there from being a separate, ministerial priesthood even before the Law of Moses was given (Ex. 19:22, 24).

Furthermore, since the top, Old Testament office of high priest corresponds to Jesus, the New Testament high priest, and since the bottom, Old Testament universal priesthood corresponds to the New Testament universal priesthood, the middle, ministerial priesthood in the Old Testament corresponds to a middle, ministerial priesthood in the New Testament.

This priesthood is identical with the office of elder. In fact, the term “priest” is simply a shortened, English version of the Greek word for “elder” — presbuteros — as any dictionary will confirm. This is any some Old Catholic translations render the word as “priests” where Protestant Bibles have “elder.” For example, in the Douay-Rheims Bible (the Catholic equivalent of the King James Version) we read:

“For this cause I left thee in Crete, that thou shouldst set in order the things that are wanting, and shouldst ordain priests in every city, as I also appointed thee” (Titus 1:5).

“Is any man sick among you? Let him bring in the priests of the Church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil, in the name of the Lord. And the prayer of faith shall save the sick man; and the Lord shall raise him up; and if he be in sins, they shall be forgiven him” (James 5:14-15).

We also see in the New Testament that the functions of the Old Testament elder — who served in the synagogue — have been fused with the functions of the Old Testament priest — whose served in the temple.

We can see the fusion of the two concepts in Romans 15:15-16. In the New International Version of this passage, we read:

“I have written you quite boldly on some points, as if to remind you of them again, because of the grace God gave me to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles with the priestly duty [literally, “the priestly work”] of proclaiming the gospel of God, so that the Gentiles might become an offering acceptable to God, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.”

Paul tells us that because he has been given a calling as a professional minister of Christ, he has a priestly work of preaching the gospel so that the Gentiles may be an offering — a sacrifice to God. This is not something only he has. Every elder in every church has that same “priestly work” of preaching the gospel. So Paul here conceives of the office of the New Testament minister as a priestly office. Notice that the hearers of the gospel in this passage are not depicted as priests, but as the sacrifice to God. Paul draws a distinction between himself and his work of preaching the gospel, and his readers and their duty of hearing it. It is the minister, not the congregation, who is here pictured as priest.

Every saint is an equal in the NT priesthood.
It is the wretced RCC that created a so-called "laity".

Not everyone in the laity is ordained, or Paul is a liar.

Every saint is of a royal priesthood, not some exorcist in a robe at a mass.

You resort to a stupid insult because your arguments are so easily refuted.

Everything about the RCC is corrupt, especially starting the division I am speaking of in Christendom.

Then the Trinity, which took 4 centuries to develop, and is accepted by all Christians, is corrupt. What the Bible says is to reject those who cause divisions, which is the very essence of the onset of Protestantism: schism, sectarianism, and division. It is Protestantism that departed from the historic Church, which is indefectible and infallible.

The 5 fold ministry of the 1st century morphed into the 5 fold priesthood of the 4th century.
Laity becomes the "11 tribes" to support the "1 tribe".

Can you cite an authoritive source for this garbage?

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Let me ask you:
Can you show me AMY place in ALL of Scripture where “Faith alone”(Sola Fide) is advocated?

In fact, the ONLY place where we see this verse (Faith alone) is in James 2:24, where it emphatically states:
James 2:24
You see that a person is considered righteous by what they do and NOT BY FAITH ALONE.

I would say that SCRIPTURE pretty much anathematizes Sola Fida.
Anyway, I thought we were discussing the false, man made, 16th century invention of Sola Scriptura . . .

You didn't tell us how the OT was canonized.