Electing New Pope

[user]

Since four rounds of balloting are taken every day until a candidate receives two-thirds of the vote. In the past, 15 to 20 days after a papal vacancy, the cardinals gathered in St. Peter's Basilica for a Mass invoking the guidance of the Holy Spirit in electing a new Pope. Only cardinals under the age of 80 are eligible to vote in a conclave.

Question: What makes a "cardinal" incorruptible?

For example, a Pope is voted in by cardinals, what makes a cardinal worthy? is it an exam or test he must pass? And, if so, then couldn't anyone pass that same exam and then be worthy to vote in a Pope. Haven't some early Popes bought their way into the papacy?


Is not the Pope voted into an incorruptible office by corruptible man? And, once in power, have not a few proceeded to become drunken with power, deeming heresies? And, being equal to scripture authority may say NO MORE SOLA SCRIPTURA?


Athanasius Creed:
Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.
Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

That's quite a statement. Is that designed to keep life long customers? And, this is coming from an incorruptible office?

I love the Catholic people, but hate certain doctrines of those in authority over them.

 

[Truther]

After the Apostles died, the scripture became the guide for future generations.

There is no such thing in the scripture as a "Cardinal", therefore a red flag must be put up immediately.

This "Cardinal" idea to elect a "Pope", is as far from scripture, as the north pole is from the south pole.

"Cardinal" and "Pope" are 2 red flags for Christians to run from.

They bite!

 

[user]

After the Apostles died, the scripture became the guide for future generations.

There is no such thing in the scripture as a "Cardinal", therefore a red flag must be put up immediately.

This "Cardinal" idea to elect a "Pope", is as far from scripture, as the north pole is from the south pole.

"Cardinal" and "Pope" are 2 red flags for Christians to run from.

They bite!

Once voted in, they are now free to deem their own writings as scripture, being equal in authority.

 

[Truther]

Once voted in, they are now free to deem their own writings as scripture, being equal in authority.

It's a racket to demonstrate power over mankind via their religious beliefs.

Tradition trumps scripture.

 

[user]

It's a racket to demonstrate power over mankind via their religious beliefs.

Tradition trumps scripture.

Man making himself equal to God?

 

[Truther]

Man making himself equal to God?

Absolutely.

The Acts skippers elevate themselves to the position of the reconfigurers of the word of God.

Not even God can do that to His word.

 

[Brakelite]

Scripture was said to be the model and basis for faith, but the Catholic Church in the 'magisterium' was reserved the sole authority to interpret and teach that scripture. Their word in other words was the final authority, not scripture at all. In requiring it's members to obey the magisterium, the church had placed itself in authority over the word of God. That is by definition, Antichrist.

 

[Truther]

Scripture was said to be the model and basis for faith, but the Catholic Church in the 'magisterium' was reserved the sole authority to interpret and teach that scripture. Their word in other words was the final authority, not scripture at all. In requiring it's members to obey the magisterium, the church had placed itself in authority over the word of God. That is by definition, Antichrist.

No wonder Martin Luther was flabberghasted and proclaimed "sola scriptura".

 

[user]

Scripture was said to be the model and basis for faith, but the Catholic Church in the 'magisterium' was reserved the sole authority to interpret and teach that scripture. Their word in other words was the final authority, not scripture at all. In requiring it's members to obey the magisterium, the church had placed itself in authority over the word of God. That is by definition, Antichrist.

Those in authority over the people teach to pray to mary and dead saints, which is the general term for "necromancy" referring to any and all divination practices that involve the spirits of people who have passed on.

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
[23] And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

 

[Brakelite]

by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

An interesting text when contextualized with the church of Rome. The church of Thyatira is a type of the medieval church of the dark ages, having within it the spirit of Jezebel who led Israel in to sun worship...Baal...
KJV 2 Kings 9:22
22 And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, Is it peace, Jehu? And he answered, What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel and her witchcrafts are so many?

 

[user]

An interesting text when contextualized with the church of Rome. The church of Thyatira is a type of the medieval church of the dark ages, having within it the spirit of Jezebel who led Israel in to sun worship...Baal...
KJV 2 Kings 9:22
22 And it came to pass, when Joram saw Jehu, that he said, Is it peace, Jehu? And he answered, What peace, so long as the whoredoms of thy mother Jezebel and her witchcrafts are so many?

Great post!

 

[Brakelite]

The position that it is of no consequence what men believe is one of Satan's most successful deceptions. He knows that the truth, received in the love of it, sanctifies the soul of the receiver; therefore he is constantly seeking to substitute false theories, fables, another gospel. From the beginning the servants of God have contended against false teachers, not merely as vicious men, but as inculcators of falsehoods that were fatal to the soul. Elijah, Jeremiah, Paul, firmly and fearlessly opposed those who were turning men from the word of God. That liberality which regards a correct religious faith as unimportant found no favor with these holy defenders of the truth. Truth matters. While it is true what some say, that we are not judged by our doctrinal understanding, yet our doctrinal understanding has a huge impact on us in our of righteousness and the way to glory.
The vague and fanciful interpretations of Scripture, and the many conflicting theories concerning religious faith, that are found in the Christian world are the work of our great adversary to confuse minds so that they shall not discern the truth. And the discord and division which exist among the churches of Christendom are in a great measure due to the prevailing custom of wresting the Scriptures to support a favorite theory. Instead of carefully studying God's word with humility of heart to obtain a knowledge of His will, many seek only to discover something odd or original.
In order to sustain erroneous doctrines or unchristian practices, some will seize upon passages of Scripture separated from the context, perhaps quoting half of a single verse as proving their point, when the remaining portion would show the meaning to be quite the opposite. With the cunning of the serpent they entrench themselves behind disconnected utterances construed to suit their carnal desires. Thus do many willfully pervert the word of God.

Others, who have an active imagination, especially in relation to prophecy, seize upon the figures and symbols of Holy Writ, interpret them to suit their fancy, with little regard to the testimony of Scripture as its own interpreter, and then they present their vagaries as the teachings of the Bible.
Whenever the study of the Scriptures is entered upon without a prayerful, humble, teachable spirit, the plainest and simplest as well as the most difficult passages will be wrested from their true meaning.

The papal leaders select such portions of Scripture as best serve their purpose, interpret to suit themselves, and then present these to the people, while they deny or discourage them the privilege of studying the Bible and understanding its sacred truths for themselves. The whole Bible should be given to the people just as it reads. It would be better for them not to have Bible instruction at all than to have the teaching of the Scriptures thus grossly misrepresented.

 

[Brakelite]

It is not up to the church to decide what the scriptures teach. It is up to the church to obey what the scriptures teach.

 

[Brakelite]

Tradition trumps scripture.

The observance of Sunday a case in point.

 

[Truther]

The observance of Sunday a case in point.

Are you SDA?

 

[BreadOfLife]

After the Apostles died, the scripture became the guide for future generations.

There is no such thing in the scripture as a "Cardinal", therefore a red flag must be put up immediately.

This "Cardinal" idea to elect a "Pope", is as far from scripture, as the north pole is from the south pole.

"Cardinal" and "Pope" are 2 red flags for Christians to run from.

They bite!

Really?
Can you show me where the Bible teaches this, Sola Scripturist?
Chapter and Verse please . . .

The word, “Cardinal” isn’t in Scripture – but neither is the word, “Bible”. Why do YOU call it a “Bible”?
For that matter – why do YOU adhere to the Canon of the New Testament, as it was compiled and declared by the Catholic Church in the 4th century?

I’ll wait right here for your well-researched answers to these questions . . .

 

[Philip James]

Once voted in, they are now free to deem their own writings as scripture, being equal in authority.

Free? Haha.. The Pope is more bound than we are, he cannot contradict past magesterial teaching without destroying his own authority.

For example,
Pope Francis could not say we can now ordain women to the priesthood.
John Paul the Great closed the door to any more discussion on the topic.
All future popes are bound by that document.

Pax et Bonum

 

[FHII]

Really?
Can you show me where the Bible teaches this, Sola Scripturist?
Chapter and Verse please . . .

The word, “Cardinal” isn’t in Scripture – but neither is the word, “Bible”. Why do YOU call it a “Bible”?
For that matter – why do YOU adhere to the Canon of the New Testament, as it was compiled and declared by the Catholic Church in the 4th century?

I’ll wait right here for your well-researched answers to these questions . . .

BOL, I was hoping you would reply, but I am disappointed by your reply, although it's not surprising.

I was hoping you would answer the questions in the OP. Despite the snarkyness, the are reasonable questions, and ones I think even I (being not Catholic) could answer. However, you are much more qualified.

So what makes a Cardinal incorruptible?

That was the first question, and there were many others. Why not guide them through the process and tell them how it's done?

 

[Phoneman777]

Since four rounds of balloting are taken every day until a candidate receives two-thirds of the vote. In the past, 15 to 20 days after a papal vacancy, the cardinals gathered in St. Peter's Basilica for a Mass invoking the guidance of the Holy Spirit in electing a new Pope. Only cardinals under the age of 80 are eligible to vote in a conclave.

Question: What makes a "cardinal" incorruptible?

For example, a Pope is voted in by cardinals, what makes a cardinal worthy? is it an exam or test he must pass? And, if so, then couldn't anyone pass that same exam and then be worthy to vote in a Pope. Haven't some early Popes bought their way into the papacy?


Is not the Pope voted into an incorruptible office by corruptible man? And, once in power, have not a few proceeded to become drunken with power, deeming heresies? And, being equal to scripture authority may say NO MORE SOLA SCRIPTURA?


Athanasius Creed:
Whoever desires to be saved must above all hold to the catholic faith.
Anyone who does not keep it whole and entire will doubtless perish eternally.

That's quite a statement. Is that designed to keep life long customers? And, this is coming from an incorruptible office?

I love the Catholic people, but hate certain doctrines of those in authority over them.

The whore of Revelation 17 is clothed in "purple" and "scarlet", the colors of the Levitical priesthood which now belongs to Christ our High Priest in the Heavenly Sanctuary.

However, there is yet one more color Christ wears but is absent from this whore of Revelation:

"Speak unto the children of Israel, and bid them that they make them fringes in the borders of their garments throughout their generations, and that they put upon the fringe of the borders a ribband of blue: And it shall be unto you for a fringe, that ye may look upon it, and remember all the commandments of the LORD, and do them; and that ye seek not after your own heart and your own eyes, after which ye use to go a whoring:"
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The "Little Horn" would think to change times and laws." The Papacy boasts that has the power to change or do away with God's law, and points to the Sabbath "change" to Sunday as evidence. The great Protestant Reformers didn't call the Roman church "the Whore of Babylon" for nothing, did they?

 

[Truther]

Really?
Can you show me where the Bible teaches this, Sola Scripturist?
Chapter and Verse please . . .

The word, “Cardinal” isn’t in Scripture – but neither is the word, “Bible”. Why do YOU call it a “Bible”?
For that matter – why do YOU adhere to the Canon of the New Testament, as it was compiled and declared by the Catholic Church in the 4th century?

I’ll wait right here for your well-researched answers to these questions . . .

I can show you where the Bible does NOT teach "Cardinals or Popes"..... from cover to cover in the Bible.

There is a 5 fold ministry that runs the leadership of the 1st century church.

Cardinals and Popes run the last century great whore of Revelation.