The Born Again Prophecy from Jesus

[theefaith]

God uses the gift of "divers kinds of tongues" wherever it is needed.

It is not to be confused with "unknown tongues" in 1 Cor 14.

still not the same as Pentecostal babbling tongues

 

[stunnedbygrace]

So both faith and baptism are required?

Yes. Trusting God is necessary and the baptism of the Spirit is necessary.

 

[Truther]

still not the same as Pentecostal babbling tongues

What is the difference? 2000 years?

 

[theefaith]

Yes. Trusting God is necessary and the baptism of the Spirit is necessary.

what is baptism of the spirit?

 

[theefaith]

What is the difference? 2000 years?

their tongues were foreign languages!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

what is baptism of the spirit?

It is receiving the down payment of the Holy Spirit inside of you. Do you not have understanding of this yet? It’s okay if you don’t, no one will tear you down. If they did, there would instantly be probably at least 15 of us who have received the Spirit giving them a tongue lashing like they’d NEVER had.
It was a question Paul asked some believers. He said, did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed? Here is the passage.


19 While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples2 and asked them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?”

They answered, “No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit.”

3 So Paul asked, “Then what baptism did you receive?”

“John’s baptism,” they replied.

4 Paul said, “John’s baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus.”5 On hearing this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them

So the believers answered that they received a water baptism. Paul knew that was not the same as the baptism with the Spirit. Paul knew by their answer that they had repented and been water baptized but not yet born again with the Spirit.

 

[Truther]

their tongues were foreign languages!

Correct.

Now, what foreign language is this?...


2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries

 

[Davy]

Strong debunks the KJV translators?

Now you way off in left field.

 

[Davy]

Correct.

They recieved the Holy Ghost along with the gift of "divers kinds of tongues"(various known languages).

Wait a minute. When Apostle Paul was teaching about the gifts in 1 Corinthians 12:10, he was NOT... pointing to the cloven tongue of Pentecost. Paul was pointing to known languages of the world that some have a gift learning. I recall a friend had a son who he couldn't get him interested in a career, but when his son joined the Army, they discovered his son had a talent for languages, and sent him to language school. He learned Chinese, Aramaic, (and another I don't recall, 3 in total besides his language of birth English).

As a matter of fact also, the word "unknown" in the phrase "unknown tongue" is NOT in the Greek NT manuscripts of 1 Corinthians 4. The KJV translators added that word "unknown".

This is why we can 100% rely upon the Acts 2 Scripture example of what was actually spoken and heard on Pentecost. The Apostles spoke (no doubt hearing in their own language), and when they spoke everyone present understood in 'their' own dialects of birth. God is not the author of confusion like Paul also says.

 

[Truther]

Now you way off in left field.

The modern translations, which say exactly opposite of much of the KJV are what's out in left field.

They were created by biased theologians that disagreed with the wording of the KJV VS their beliefs.

Modern translations are customized, like the NWT is made for the JW's.

That's exactly why you run to them to get a "different" meaning, to fit your presupposition.

 

[Truther]

Wait a minute. When Apostle Paul was teaching about the gifts in 1 Corinthians 12:10, he was NOT... pointing to the cloven tongue of Pentecost. Paul was pointing to known languages of the world that some have a gift learning. I recall a friend who couldn't get him interested in a career, but when his son joined the Army, they discovered his son had a talent for languages, and sent him to language school. He learned Chinese, Aramaic, (and another I don't recall, 3 in total besides his language of birth English).

As a matter of fact also, the word "unknown" in the phrase "unknown tongue" is NOT in the Greek NT manuscripts of 1 Corinthians 4. The KJV translators added that word "unknown".

This is why we can 100% rely upon the Acts 2 Scripture example of what was actually spoken and heard on Pentecost. The Apostles spoke (no doubt hearing in their own language), and when they spoke everyone present understood in 'their' own dialects of birth. God is not the author of confusion like Paul also says.

You just debunked the KJV with phony Greek.

Crafty.

 

[Truther]

Modernists believe James Strong over the ancient KJV translators.

This way they too can become closet translators.

Finding new and endless meanings to special words and phrases, to appear smart to new babies in the Lord.

 

[Truther]

As a matter of fact also, the word "unknown" in the phrase "unknown tongue" is NOT in the Greek NT manuscripts of 1 Corinthians 4. The KJV translators added that word "unknown".
KJV

2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.


You...

2 For he that speaketh in a KNOWN tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

What a silly position, fella.

 

[Davy]

The modern translations, which say exactly opposite of much of the KJV are what's out in left field.

They were created by biased theologians that disagreed with the wording of the KJV VS their beliefs.

Modern translations are customized, like the NWT is made for the JW's.

That's exactly why you run to them to get a "different" meaning, to fit your presupposition.

I agree with your first statements, but not your last one.

I RELY on the 1611 KJV Bible for English, but I also have sets of Interlinear Bibles in the original Hebrew and Greek, and many other scholarly Bible study tools.

And IF I quote from a more modern NT version, it MUST first agree with the Traditional text before I will use it. For example, The Living Bible (a paraphrase Bible) actually has a very good English translation of the subject of another Jesus...

2 Corinthians 11
1 I hope you will be patient with me as I keep on talking like a fool. Do bear with me and let me say what is on my heart.
2 I am anxious for you with the deep concern of God himself—anxious that your love should be for Christ alone, just as a pure maiden saves her love for one man only, for the one who will be her husband.
3 But I am frightened, fearing that in some way you will be led away from your pure and simple devotion to our Lord, just as Eve was deceived by Satan in the Garden of Eden.
4 You seem so gullible: you believe whatever anyone tells you even if he is preaching about another Jesus than the one we preach, or a different spirit than the Holy Spirit you received, or shows you a different way to be saved. You swallow it all.
TLB

That follows the KJV translation closely.

So not all... Scripture in the modern corrupt NT versions is wrong. Their versions is more about OMISSIONS and having been translated from a different Greek text which origins have not been proven as better than the Traditional text. And a text like their Critical text that OMITS Scripture that shows the Deity of Jesus Christ should be a huge red flag about tampering.

 

[Davy]

You just debunked the KJV with phony Greek.

Crafty.

You you did not KNOW that the KJV translators ADDED that word "unknown" in the 1 Corinthians 14 Chapter???

1 Cor 14:2-4
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
KJV

If you have an older Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, you'll find that word "unknown" there as the no.999 which means an ADDED WORD.

In my KJV Bible with Strong's provided by BibleSoft, it has ADDED WORDS in Italics.

Apostle Paul was pointing to KNOWN LANGUAGES of the world in that 1 Corinthians 14 Chapter.

 

[Davy]

Modernists believe James Strong over the ancient KJV translators.

This way they too can become closet translators.

Finding new and endless meanings to special words and phrases, to appear smart to new babies in the Lord.

That's silly. Dr. James Strong took the Traditional texts used for the KJV Bible and assigned a number to each 'manuscript' word, and gave a definition which a true Strong's Concordance has dictionaries in the back so one can look up ANY WORD in the original Traditional text used for the KJV.

The modern Bible New Testament versions are based on a DIFFERENT TEXT (called the Critical text). Dr. Strong did NOT USE the Critical text, so you are MAKING THINGS UP, TELLING LIES. And now we know why you would choose a word like 'Truther' as an avatar moniker, to try and make folks believe you speak the truth, when you do not.

 

[Truther]

I agree with your first statements, but not your last one.

I RELY on the 1611 KJV Bible for English, but I also have sets of Interlinear Bibles in the original Hebrew and Greek, and many other scholarly Bible study tools.

And IF I quote from a more modern NT version, it MUST first agree with the Traditional text before I will use it. For example, The Living Bible (a paraphrase Bible) actually has a very good English translation of the subject of another Jesus...

2 Corinthians 11
1 I hope you will be patient with me as I keep on talking like a fool. Do bear with me and let me say what is on my heart.
2 I am anxious for you with the deep concern of God himself—anxious that your love should be for Christ alone, just as a pure maiden saves her love for one man only, for the one who will be her husband.
3 But I am frightened, fearing that in some way you will be led away from your pure and simple devotion to our Lord, just as Eve was deceived by Satan in the Garden of Eden.
4 You seem so gullible: you believe whatever anyone tells you even if he is preaching about another Jesus than the one we preach, or a different spirit than the Holy Spirit you received, or shows you a different way to be saved. You swallow it all.
TLB

That follows the KJV translation closely.

So not all... Scripture in the modern corrupt NT versions is wrong. Their versions is more about OMISSIONS and having been translated from a different Greek text which origins have not been proven as better than the Traditional text. And a text like their Critical text that OMITS Scripture that shows the Deity of Jesus Christ should be a huge red flag about tampering.

Davy, you used Strongs to debunk your KJV Bible.

Think about what you did.

I know, because I have an interlinear too, and I used to think the KJV was a mess because of Strongs.

Then, I realized Strongs was the fake news, not the KJV.

 

[Truther]

You you did not KNOW that the KJV translators ADDED that word "unknown" in the 1 Corinthians 14 Chapter???

1 Cor 14:2-4
2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort.

4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
KJV

If you have an older Strong's Exhaustive Concordance, you'll find that word "unknown" there as the no.999 which means an ADDED WORD.

In my KJV Bible with Strong's provided by BibleSoft, it has ADDED WORDS in Italics.

Apostle Paul was pointing to KNOWN LANGUAGES of the world in that 1 Corinthians 14 Chapter.

Do you think that 1 Cor 14:2 is speaking of known tongues or unknown tongues?

It should say this?...

2 For he that speaketh in A KNOWN tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Yes or no?

 

[Truther]

That's silly. Dr. James Strong took the Traditional texts used for the KJV Bible and assigned a number to each 'manuscript' word, and gave a definition which a true Strong's Concordance has dictionaries in the back so one can look up ANY WORD in the original Traditional text used for the KJV.

The modern Bible New Testament versions are based on a DIFFERENT TEXT (called the Critical text). Dr. Strong did NOT USE the Critical text, so you are MAKING THINGS UP, TELLING LIES. And now we know why you would choose a word like 'Truther' as an avatar moniker, to try and make folks believe you speak the truth, when you do not.

Strong was determined to destroy the KJV.

He did it.

He was only an honorary linguist. He was not fluent in Greek or Hebrew.

He sparked this...

Differences between the Textus Receptus and the Nestle Aland/United Bible Society Text - Textus Receptus Bibles

 

[Truther]

The Problem With Using Strong’s Concordance Dictionary.