Electing New Pope

[amigo de christo]

Again, how many mediators are there between God and man? I mean scripturally. 100 mediators. 1000 mediators.

according to even the true apostels THERE IS ONLY ONE . HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST . PEROID .
Though i have a strong hunch YOU ALREADY KNEW THIS to be TRUE .

 

[Illuminator]

I already explained it.
And anybody who actually READS post #297 will get my Biblical answer.

My related question that YOU have NOT been able to answer is:
Explain what Paul means in this verse:
Col. 12:4
Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church

Why are you so afraid to answer this?

Correction. It's Colossians 1:24. It's not that they are afraid to answer. Paul is talking about Redemptive suffering which is totally absent in Protestantism.
what is lacking: Christ’s sufferings were, of course, sufficient for our redemption, but all of us may add ours to his, in order that the fruits of his redemption be applied to the souls of men.

Col. 1:24 – Paul rejoices in his sufferings and completes what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of His body. This proves the Catholic position regarding the efficacy of suffering. Is there something lacking in Christ’s sufferings? Of course not. But because Jesus loves us so much, He allows us to participate in His redemptive suffering by leaving room in His mystical body for our own suffering. Our suffering, united with our Lord’s suffering, furthers the work of His redemption.

Phil. 1:29 – for the sake of Christ we are not only to believe in Him but also to suffer for His sake. Growing in holiness requires more than having faith in God and accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior. We must also willfully embrace the suffering that befalls us as part of God’s plan. Thus, Christ does not want our faith alone, but our faith in action which includes faith in suffering.

Phil. 3:10 – Paul desires to share in Christ’s sufferings in order to obtain the resurrection. Paul recognizes the efficacy of suffering as a means of obtaining holiness which leads to resurrection and eternal life. There is no Easter Sunday without Good Friday.

2 Tim. 1:8 – Paul instructs Timothy to share in suffering for the Gospel. Suffering is not to be asked for, but it is also not to be avoided. For the sake of the Gospel, it is to be embraced.

1 Cor. 1:23- Paul preaches a Christ crucified, not just risen. Catholic spirituality focuses on the sacrifice of Christ which is the only means to the resurrection. This is why Catholic churches have crucifixes with the corpus of Jesus affixed to them. Many Protestant churches no longer display the corpus of Jesus (only an empty cross). Thus, they only preach a Christ risen, not crucified.

1 Cor. 2:2 – Paul preaches Jesus Christ and Him crucified. While the cross was the scandal of scandals, and is viewed by the non-Christian eye as defeat, Catholic spirituality has always exalted the paradox of the cross as the true tree of life and our means to salvation.

2 Cor. 1:5-7- if we share abundantly in Christ’s sufferings, so through Christ we share abundantly in comfort as well. If we unite our sufferings with His, we will be comforted by Him.
Suffering - Scripture Catholic

 

[Jim B]

according to even the true apostels THERE IS ONLY ONE . HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST . PEROID .
Though i have a strong hunch YOU ALREADY KNEW THIS to be TRUE .

Who/what are the true apostels? What does PEROID mean?

 

[Illuminator]

To sum it up briefly: The Pope said that there are two basic attitudes that we should have toward human suffering. We should do what good we can for the suffering, and we should try to do what good we can with our own sufferings.

First, we should try to relieve the sufferings of others (and our own) as much as possible, with compassionate care. The Pope recalls for us the importance of Jesus' parable of the Good Samaritan in this regard. But where our own crosses cannot be taken away, we can still offer them up, in union with the Cross of Jesus, for the good of others. United with His Cross, in the Holy Spirit, our sufferings can thereby become a source of blessings and graces for the Church and the world. The chronically ill and suffering are therefore not just to be objects of our pity: they have an important vocation in the Church. Let me finish this column with the Pope's own words, which I have quoted once before in this series, but never tire of repeating them again and again:

Christ does not explain in the abstract the reason for suffering, but before all else He says: "Follow me!" Come! Take part through your suffering in this work of saving the world, a salvation achieved through my suffering! Through my cross! Gradually, as the individual takes up his cross, spiritually uniting himself to the cross of Christ, the salvific meaning of suffering is revealed to him. ... Faith in sharing in the suffering of Christ brings with it the interior certainty that the suffering person "completes what is lacking in Christ's afflictions" (Col 1:24); the certainty that in the spiritual dimension of the work of Redemption he is serving, like Christ the salvation of his brothers and sisters. Therefore he is carrying out an irreplaceable service. ("Salvifici Dolores," 26-27).

Does Catholicism 'Revel In Suffering'?​

 

[amigo de christo]

I answered this back in post 298, and you ran from it. Here it is again:
Subordinate mediators exists because of the the ONE mediatorship of Christ, not contrary to it. You create a false dichotomy trying to justify the abolishment of the New Testament Priesthood, which can't be defended.

1 Tim 2:1-2 – because Jesus Christ is the one mediator between God and man (1 Tim. 2:5), many Protestants deny the Catholic belief that the saints on earth and in heaven can mediate on our behalf. But before Paul’s teaching about Jesus as the “one mediator,” Paul urges supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people. Paul is thus appealing for mediation from others besides Christ, the one mediator. Why?

1 Tim 2:3 – because this subordinate mediation is good and acceptable to God our Savior. Because God is our Father and we are His children, God invites us to participate in Christ’s role as mediator.

1 Tim. 2:5 – therefore, although Jesus Christ is the sole mediator between God and man, there are many intercessors (subordinate mediators).

1 Cor. 3:9 – God invites us to participate in Christ’s work because we are God’s “fellow workers” and one family in the body of Christ. God wants His children to participate. The phrase used to describe “fellow workers” is “sunergoi,” which literally means synergists, or cooperators with God in salvific matters. Does God need fellow workers? Of course not, but this shows how much He, as Father, loves His children. God wants us to work with Him.

Mark 16:20 – this is another example of how the Lord “worked with them” (“sunergountos”). God cooperates with us. Out of His eternal love, He invites our participation.

Rom. 8:28 – God “works for good with” (the Greek is “sunergei eis agathon”) those who love Him. We work as subordinate mediators.

2 Cor. 6:1 – “working together” (the Greek is “sunergountes”) with him, don’t accept His grace in vain. God allows us to participate in His work, not because He needs our help, but because He loves us and wants to exalt us in His Son. It is like the father who lets his child join him in carrying the groceries in the house. The father does not need help, but he invites the child to assist to raise up the child in dignity and love.

"sole mediator" does not cancel out subordinate mediatorship, but it does for you because you have invented a new doctrine by abusing 1 Tim. 2:5.

Ya need to stop lumping folks into one camp . I never said no such thing . Of course there are to be bishops deacons and etc .
Its just if those who cliam to be such are spouting falsehoods , they are not to be heeded . As does and as do the CC and its leaders .
All men are to be tested , and thus i did test the CC and its leadership and still do . It continues to be false and teach lies and dangerous doctrine
thus it continues to be warned against . As does any protestant leader who teaches falsehoods gets warned against .
THERE is zero difference between watchtower who leads it folks astray as there is amongst the CC and its popes , bishops and deacons
who also lead its people astray , as well as many and do i mean many , as in a number so high i cant count , Amongst even
the protestant realm which too leads it members astray . Time to flee such a place that teaches thus sayeth the LORD
and yet THE LORD never said nor would say SUCH things . TIME for folks to truly start learning the bible for themselves .
WISH i could point folks to a good true leader amonst these realms . Sad thing is , ITS A TOUGH FIND THESE DAYS .
Very few leaders within even the protestant realm have not already long sold out . AND If i say that about the protestant realm
WHAT YOU THINK I Am gonna SAY ABOUT THE RCC . WHICH I KNOW TEACHES ALL OUT FALSEHOODS FROM ALL ITS LEADERS .

 

[amigo de christo]

Who/what are the true apostels? What does PEROID mean?

we have true and pure letters that were written from the first men in that bible .
Thus any other leader of any other age , including this generation , WILL BE FIRMLY and thoroughly tested
against what the first men taught . Against what THE JESUS of the gospel taught and said .
TIME to stop heeding those who twist and omit the teachings of CHRIST and of the first men .
TIME to start testing all other teachings of any generation , against What thus sayeth the CHRIST o said bible taught
and what the first men left us in said bible . OR prepare to wail on the day of the LORD , cause too many
have long been lulled to sleep by the image of another jesus , another gospel , another way and another truth of men who twisted
the sound and holy doctrine unto their own destruction .
I have an idea . If you want to be a plumber go and read the plumbers manuel .
IF you want to know true chrsitanity , READ THE BIBLE . DO so for yourself . PUT ME TO THE TEST .
You cant test what i say so long as you keep running on emotions and docrtrines of men .
IF you are gonna prove me a liar or prove what i say is true , READ the bible for YOU . Loving every word that was left unto us .
AND watch what happens in time . But continue to heed these false men and you never gonna see what was so simple to see .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Again, how many mediators are there between God and man? I mean scripturally. 100 mediators. 1000 mediators.

Soooo - does that mean you CAN'T answer the question I asked?

You're here whining about a "roya; priesthood" that YOU claim to be part of - but you can't explain what Paul the following verse??

Col. 12:4
Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church

Give it a shot, Einstein . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

we have true and pure letters that were written from the first men in that bible .
Thus any other leader of any other age , including this generation , WILL BE FIRMLY and thoroughly tested
against what the first men taught . Against what THE JESUS of the gospel taught and said .
TIME to stop heeding those who twist and omit the teachings of CHRIST and of the first men .
TIME to start testing all other teachings of any generation , against What thus sayeth the CHRIST o said bible taught
and what the first men left us in said bible . OR prepare to wail on the day of the LORD , cause too many
have long been lulled to sleep by the image of another jesus , another gospel , another way and another truth of men who twisted
the sound and holy doctrine unto their own destruction .
I have an idea . If you want to be a plumber go and read the plumbers manuel .
IF you want to know true chrsitanity , READ THE BIBLE . DO so for yourself . PUT ME TO THE TEST .
You cant test what i say so long as you keep running on emotions and docrtrines of men .
IF you are gonna prove me a liar or prove what i say is true , READ the bible for YOU . Loving every word that was left unto us .
AND watch what happens in time . But continue to heed these false men and you never gonna see what was so simple to see .

ONCE AGAIN:
How do YOU know that these Letters - and the Bible itself is the Word of God if it is a CATHOLIC Tradtition.

YOU reject all things Catholic, correct?
Soooooo - HOW is it that you stake your very salvation on a Catholic Trasition?

You have been asked this question about FIVE times now - and have been unable to answer it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Correction. It's Colossians 1:24. It's not that they are afraid to answer. Paul is talking about Redemptive suffering which is totally absent in Protestantism.
what is lacking: Christ’s sufferings were, of course, sufficient for our redemption, but all of us may add ours to his, in order that the fruits of his redemption be applied to the souls of men.

Col. 1:24 – Paul rejoices in his sufferings and completes what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of His body. This proves the Catholic position regarding the efficacy of suffering. Is there something lacking in Christ’s sufferings? Of course not. But because Jesus loves us so much, He allows us to participate in His redemptive suffering by leaving room in His mystical body for our own suffering. Our suffering, united with our Lord’s suffering, furthers the work of His redemption.

Phil. 1:29 – for the sake of Christ we are not only to believe in Him but also to suffer for His sake. Growing in holiness requires more than having faith in God and accepting Jesus as personal Lord and Savior. We must also willfully embrace the suffering that befalls us as part of God’s plan. Thus, Christ does not want our faith alone, but our faith in action which includes faith in suffering.

Phil. 3:10 – Paul desires to share in Christ’s sufferings in order to obtain the resurrection. Paul recognizes the efficacy of suffering as a means of obtaining holiness which leads to resurrection and eternal life. There is no Easter Sunday without Good Friday.

2 Tim. 1:8 – Paul instructs Timothy to share in suffering for the Gospel. Suffering is not to be asked for, but it is also not to be avoided. For the sake of the Gospel, it is to be embraced.

1 Cor. 1:23- Paul preaches a Christ crucified, not just risen. Catholic spirituality focuses on the sacrifice of Christ which is the only means to the resurrection. This is why Catholic churches have crucifixes with the corpus of Jesus affixed to them. Many Protestant churches no longer display the corpus of Jesus (only an empty cross). Thus, they only preach a Christ risen, not crucified.

1 Cor. 2:2 – Paul preaches Jesus Christ and Him crucified. While the cross was the scandal of scandals, and is viewed by the non-Christian eye as defeat, Catholic spirituality has always exalted the paradox of the cross as the true tree of life and our means to salvation.

2 Cor. 1:5-7- if we share abundantly in Christ’s sufferings, so through Christ we share abundantly in comfort as well. If we unite our sufferings with His, we will be comforted by Him.
Suffering - Scripture Catholic

Thatnks - Col. "1:24".
I put the colon in the wrong place.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Again, how many mediators are there between God and man? I mean scripturally. 100 mediators. 1000 mediators.

Soooo - does that mean you CAN'T answer the question I asked?

You're here whining about a "roya; priesthood" that YOU claim to be part of - but you can't explain what Paul the following verse??

Col. 12:4
Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church

Give it a shot, Einstein . . .

And, while you're trying to figue that one out - try this one on for sie:

As I shoed you before - in Rom 15:15-16, Paul uses the word “Hierurgeo”, which is the verb form of the Greek “Hierus” (priests) – the SAME word used for “priest” throughout the NT.

Rom 15:15-16:
But on some points I have written to you very boldly by way of reminder, because of the grace given me by God to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the PRIESTLY service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

WHY did he use THIS word and not the usual word for "Elder" (Presbyter)?
Amigo - feel free to jump in here and see if YOU can figure out these important questions about our Christian faith . . .

 

[Illuminator]

Ya need to stop lumping folks into one camp . I never said no such thing . Of course there are to be bishops deacons and etc .

Yea, but you don't have bishops.

Its just if those who cliam to be such are spouting falsehoods , they are not to be heeded . As does and as do the CC and its leaders .

You have issues with authority. It's a psychological problem of yours not so much a religious problem.

All men are to be tested , and thus i did test the CC and its leadership and still do . It continues to be false and teach lies and dangerous doctrine thus it continues to be warned against .

As does any protestant leader who teaches falsehoods gets warned against .
THERE is zero difference between watchtower who leads it folks astray as there is amongst the CC and its popes , bishops and deacons
who also lead its people astray , as well as many and do i mean many , as in a number so high i cant count , Amongst even
the protestant realm which too leads it members astray .

Yup. Everybody is wrong except you.

Time to flee such a place that teaches thus sayeth the LORD
and yet THE LORD never said nor would say SUCH things . TIME for folks to truly start learning the bible for themselves .

Where in the Bible does it say to learn the Bible for ourselves, apart from the very Church that gave it to you in the first place???

WISH i could point folks to a good true leader amonst these realms . Sad thing is , ITS A TOUGH FIND THESE DAYS .
Very few leaders within even the protestant realm have not already long sold out . AND If i say that about the protestant realm
WHAT YOU THINK I Am gonna SAY ABOUT THE RCC . WHICH I KNOW TEACHES ALL OUT FALSEHOODS FROM ALL ITS LEADERS .

The full doctrine of the Trinity took 4 centuries to develop, and the authoritive verdicts of earlier councils is accepted by all Christians. Are you saying the Trinity is a falsehood? How about opposition to gender ideology and the rainbow plague? Is that a falsehood? You need to come out of your fundie ghetto and start dealing with the problems the world is facing TODAY, and stop being a slave to backward 16th century politics.

 

[Philip James]

so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

And what is that offering?

Malachi 1:11

Only the offering of the Eucharist fulfills this prophecy.

Come to the Feast with Rome! Come to the Feast with Alexandria! Come with Constantinople!

But Come!

All are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

The Spirit and the bride say, "Come." Let the hearer say, "Come." Let the one who thirsts come forward, and the one who wants it receive the gift of life-giving water.

Pax et Bonum

 

[Illuminator]

Imagine if those who drink too much alcohol and wind up damaging their liver were to band together demanding a cure for their malady, without first pledging to change their behavior. What would we say? What would we say to heavy smokers if they demanded a cure for lung cancer without first pledging to change their behavior?

Yet when it comes to homosexuals and monkeypox, or AIDS before that, gay leaders demand that we find a cure for their disease without first pledging to change their behavior.

When Covid hit, we locked down the economy, closed schools, and banned church services. So why didn’t health officials cancel the “Pride” events in New York City at the end of June? A predictable surge in monkeypox followed.

Why didn’t health officials ban the Dore Alley gay festival at the end of July in San Francisco? Those who attended this event said there were no warnings posted anywhere.

The Washington Post interviewed people at the Dore Alley event and noted that some were quite worried. “Many revelers kept their clothes on or donned full latex outfits inside crowded bars.” In other words, had they not been afraid of catching monkeypox, they may have not have kept their pants on. This is not normal. What kind of people act this way?

Scott Wiener is a California state senator and a gay activist. He says the monkeypox vaccine “can’t come fast enough.” What about gays changing their behavior? “If people want to have sex, they are going to have sex.” He just doesn’t get it. Vaccines are no panacea for behaviorally induced diseases.

The August 5 edition of the New York Times has an op-ed by Kai Kupferschmidt advising gays what to do before the vaccine is widely available. “That includes talking about reducing the number of sexual partners, creating ‘pods’ of sex partners (where people can keep sexual activity within a group) and other strategies to reduce the risk.”

Why the compulsion on the part of so many homosexual men to have multiple sex partners with anonymous men? This is not normal. And why is it that the best Kupferschmidt can do is recommend that gays have sex with multiple partners whom they know?

One voice of sanity in the medical profession is Don Weiss, the top epidemiologist at the New York City Department of Health. His advice is seminal.

In an email he sent to other health officials, he said, “We cannot vaccinate our way out of this, nor can we isolate our way out of this. The only way out is to abstain. I know I sound like a bible thumping preacher, but this is the exposure we need to PREVENT.”

Weiss added that “This disease is entirely preventable had we the courage to send out prevention messages. We seem paralyzed by the fear of stigmatizing this disease while we totally ignore the epidemiology. If we had an outbreak associated with bowling, would we not warn people to stop bowling?”

We need to send Catholic moral theologians and doctors into the gay community to advise them of the merits of Catholic sexual ethics. Agreeing to temporarily keep one’s pants on in public is not a strategy that works.

MONKEYPOX VAX IS NO PANACEA

 

[Lizbeth]

The KKK and YOU and the SDA a- nd ALL the rest follow the NT Canon that the Catholic Church declared in the 4th century - and reiterated SEVERAL times after..
Why is it that NONE of you can answer the simple question as to WHY you do?

WHY do you follow a Catholic Tradition when tou vehemently reject that same Catholic Church as "evil"??
Either you're all VERY SYUPID - or you're just confused.
Soooooooo, WHICH is it?

Is the Catholic church now trying to take credit for God-breathed letters and manuscripts written by faithful men of God under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit? Because that's the only reason we read them....because they are God's word, regardless of who decided to collect them together in one big book. We're not following a "Catholic canon", we're only following writings inspired by God and to Him alone belongs the glory.

I'm curious as to whether the Catholic church is in possession of more letters written by the apostles and other (very) early Christian writings that they chose not to include in the canon?

 

[Philip James]

I'm curious as to whether the Catholic church is in possession of more letters written by the apostles and other (very) early Christian writings that they chose not to include in the canon?

Letters of contemporaries of the Apostles such as Barnabas, Clement, Polycarp and Ignatius.. Can be found here:

Early Church Fathers

Pax et Bonum

 

[Illuminator]

Is the Catholic church now trying to take credit for God-breathed letters and manuscripts written by faithful men of God under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?

No, Catholics give credit to God for His inspired word. Radical Protestants refuse to admit the Bible was preserved, compiled and proclaimed by the Catholic Church, under the superintendence of the Holy Spirit. We don't think for a minute the Church Fathers compiled the books of the Bible all on their own. Inventing Bible origin fantasies and denying the facts of history is dishonest, and we face that nonsense every day.

because Because that's the only reason we read them....because they are God's word, regardless of who decided to collect them together in one big book. We're not following a "Catholic canon", we're only following writings inspired by God and to Him alone belongs the glory.

You miss the point. Inspiration had to be proven, and who do you think did that?

I'm curious as to whether the Catholic church is in possession of more letters written by the apostles and other (very) early Christian writings that they chose not to include in the canon?

First, the Catholic Church does not possess the Bible, she is its custodian.
Second, whatever non-canonical Christian writings that survived the ravages of time can be found on line. Some are heretical, but most of them are not.

 

[Truther]

according to even the true apostels THERE IS ONLY ONE . HIS NAME IS JESUS CHRIST . PEROID .
Though i have a strong hunch YOU ALREADY KNEW THIS to be TRUE .

Amen, there is only one mediator between God and humans...Jesus.

It's right there in black and white.

 

[Truther]

Soooo - does that mean you CAN'T answer the question I asked?

You're here whining about a "roya; priesthood" that YOU claim to be part of - but you can't explain what Paul the following verse??

Col. 12:4
Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church

Give it a shot, Einstein . . .

Who is the "royal priesthood" via NT scripture, found here?...

Buy ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that you should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.



A...the Pope of Rome.

B...The Cardinals of Rome.

C....Everyone that has obeyed Acts 2:38.

Pick one.

 

[Truther]

And, while you're trying to figue that one out - try this one on for sie:

As I shoed you before - in Rom 15:15-16, Paul uses the word “Hierurgeo”, which is the verb form of the Greek “Hierus” (priests) – the SAME word used for “priest” throughout the NT.

Rom 15:15-16:
But on some points I have written to you very boldly by way of reminder, because of the grace given me by God to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the PRIESTLY service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

WHY did he use THIS word and not the usual word for "Elder" (Presbyter)?
Amigo - feel free to jump in here and see if YOU can figure out these important questions about our Christian faith . . .

Looks like a bunch of slick redefinitions...LOL

 

[amigo de christo]

Who is the "royal priesthood" via NT scripture, found here?...

Buy ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that you should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.



A...the Pope of Rome.

B...The Cardinals of Rome.

C....Everyone that has obeyed Acts 2:38.

Pick one.

You can rule both A and B OUT . they decieve and have done so for centuries .