A Simple Yet Irrefutable Reason The Catholic church Is Not Rooted In Christ's Church

[Phoneman777]

If Adventists are correct that Christians are still obliged to keep Saturday as their day of corporate worship, isn’t it strange that Jesus underscored exactly the opposite by appearing to his disciples after his Resurrection nearly exclusively on Sunday?

Jesus underscored nothing except Sabbath.

"Pray not that your flight be not...on the Sabbath day."

"The Sabbath was made for MAN" not JEW.

"The Son of Man is also LORD of the Sabbath."

"(John) was in the Spirit on the Lord's day (the Sabbath)."

"It is therefore the duty of the people of God to keep the Sabbath". - Hebrews 4:9 Lamsa's Peshitta

 

[Phoneman777]

Ellen G. White needs to correct Jesus for having the audacity to rise from the dead on Sunday. Informed Christians are not fooled by your SDA polemics.

Who said anything about SDAs? I'm telling you the Roman Catholic church boasts they changed the day and that change is found no where in Scripture.

Are you going to follow Scripture or those who "in vain do they worship Me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men"?

 

[atpollard]

Men like Clement of Rome and Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp, who passed them onto THEIR successors.

Quote from “Clement of Rome and Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp” referring to Mary as “Queen of the Universe” or “Co-redemptrix” as they preserve the Apostolic oral tradition.

 

[atpollard]

Would it be more appealing to you if they had said “From us and our successors”??

Just because YOU don’t understand what Tradition is or HOW it begins – doesn’t mean that those in the 1st century didn’t,

In MANY ways, they had MUCH more going for them than todays’ Protestants because not only did they UNDERSTAND what Paul was talking about – they had the FAITH to believe it.

An argument from silence fallacy.

 

[atpollard]

1. No where does the Bible say that all or even most of the oral tradition was committed to Scripture, so your premise is erroneous.

My premise is that the oral tradition is either written down or lost … oral tradition is like that.
My premise is also that any MODERN tradition that is contrary to Scripture is NOT an Apostolic tradition.

 

[Taken]

No way...the only "church" that matters to the NT is the one Jesus built - the Jews hate Jesus and call Him "son of a whore" and "the Great Imposter".
Cain was punished for killing Abel, Abraham knew not to lie, Rachel knew not to steal, Joseph knew not to covet, etc., all of which lived long before the first Jew. It's silly to think the Ten Commandments were only for the Jews, ESPECIALLY since the New Testament repeats every single commandment for Christians to keep.
The church of the 1st century was ONE - with just a few problems. It gets the HIGHEST marks of all 7 churches in Revelation's prophecy of the 7 churches.
Did you read what I said? The first century church founded by Jesus taught Christians to keep the Ten Commandments, as Scripture clearly shows. The Catholic church BREAKS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS and teaches their faithful to do the same, therefore it cannot trace its roots back to Jesus.
There's only one problem with that - no Scripture to support it. BTW, "holy" and "reverend" are HIS NAMES, not the names of misguided men who think they are gods.
Yes, and when men see the commandments Catholicism teaches are different from the commandments the church Jesus founded teaches in Scripture, they automatically know that Catholicism can't be traced to Jesus.
If all would base their beliefs on the whole of Scripture, and not just certain parts of it, we'd be all one in the Body of Christ.

There are FACTS of Intent...per The Lords Order and Way.
And there are FACTS of what men have Twisted...per mans Order and Way.

My post addressed both.

 

[Wrangler]

Is the Nicene Creed extra-biblical?

Yes.

 

[Taken]

An argument from silence fallacy.

BOL Traditions...
Jesus didn’t instruct Gentiles to start “traditions”...
Jesus instructed the Jews to keep their “traditions”...

 

[Illuminator]

Yes.

Wrong. The Nicene Creed s a post-biblical development based entirely on Scripture.
Nicene Creed ( Christian Reformed site)

 

[atpollard]

Tell me something –
WHY was Oral Tradition okay for the Jews in the OT – but is forbidden for Christians in the NT?

I’ll wait here for your answer . . .

Mark 7:5-13 [NKJV]

Then the Pharisees and scribes asked Him, "Why do Your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashed hands?"
He answered and said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written: 'This people honors Me with [their] lips, But their heart is far from Me. And in vain they worship Me, Teaching [as] doctrines the commandments of men.' For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men--the washing of pitchers and cups, and many other such things you do."
He said to them, "[All too] well you reject the commandment of God, that you may keep your tradition. For Moses said, 'Honor your father and your mother'; and, 'He who curses father or mother, let him be put to death.' But you say, 'If a man says to his father or mother, “Whatever profit you might have received from me [is] Corban"--' (that is, a gift [to God]), then you no longer let him do anything for his father or his mother, making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do."​

 

[Wrangler]

The Nicene Creed s a post-biblical

Right, making it not Biblical.

You can claim it is based on the Bible, making it Biblical. I say it is anti-Biblical, even going against other creeds.

 

[atpollard]

This truth compels you to invent bible origin fantasies because you are too proud to admit that it was by the authority of the Catholic Church that gave us the Bible.

Technically, it was the catholic (small ‘c’) Church that compiled the “Bible” (canon) before the Bishop of Rome “jumped the shark” and split the Church (long before the Protestant Reformation).

 

[Phoneman777]

There are FACTS of Intent...per The Lords Order and Way.
And there are FACTS of what men have Twisted...per mans Order and Way.

My post addressed both.

To be honest, your post was a heavy read.

My OP is simple: the Ten Commandments taught by the church Jesus founded are not the commandmetns taught by the RCC -- which proves they can't trace their roots back to Jesus, because the end time church that DOES trace its roots back to Jesus - aka "the remnant church" - keeps the commandments of God, not the commandments of the RCC.

 

[Taken]

To be honest, your post was a heavy read.

My OP is simple: the Ten Commandments taught by the church Jesus founded are not the commandmetns taught by the RCC -- which proves they can't trace their roots back to Jesus, because the end time church that DOES trace its roots back to Jesus - aka "the remnant church" - keeps the commandments of God, not the commandments of the RCC.

I’m not catholic. You can have a hay day with their beliefs and rituals...
I don’t follow them or agree with them.
They take credit for the early Church...
Along with that goes the credit for early Corruption.
Just saying.

 

[farouk]

I’m not catholic. You can have a hay day with their beliefs and rituals...
I don’t follow them or agree with them.
They take credit for the early Church...
Along with that goes the credit for early Corruption.
Just saying.

@Taken

I remember an interview when someone tried to blame Anne Graham Lotz for some stuff that baptists did.

She serenely replied, At that time I was attending a Presbyterian church......

 

[Philip James]

Then all you really have is their writings … Sola Scriptura

Hello atpollard,

No, we have something far better than just our sacred texts, we have the 2000 year old living community founded by Christ through His apostles,
and of course, best of all, we have the ONE cup and the ONE bread that Jesus gave to the apostles 'when the hour had come'
The Bread of Life, come down from heaven, the Cup of Salvation..
The Groom offering Himself to His bride, and she receiving Him..

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum

 

[Michiah-Imla]

I’m not catholic. You can have a hay day with their beliefs and rituals...
I don’t follow them or agree with them.
They take credit for the early Church...
Along with that goes the credit for early Corruption.
Just saying.

You should post in this manner more often.

It’s normal and easy and on the eyes and brain…

 

[farouk]

BOL Traditions...
Jesus didn’t instruct Gentiles to start “traditions”...
Jesus instructed the Jews to keep their “traditions”...

@Taken

When Paul used the term 'traditions' he was using it in the sense of Scripture for which the Holy Spirit had allowed him to be the penman.

"Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle." (2 Thessalonians 2.15)

 

[farouk]

Hello atpollard,

No, we have something far better than just our sacred texts, we have the 2000 year old living community founded by Christ through His apostles,
and of course, best of all, we have the ONE cup and the ONE bread that Jesus gave to the apostles 'when the hour had come'
The Bread of Life, come down from heaven, the Cup of Salvation..
The Groom offering Himself to His bride, and she receiving Him..

You too! Are welcome to come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum

Well, tradition is never going to supersede Scripture.........

 

[Taken]

You should post in this manner more often.

It’s normal and easy and on the eyes and brain…

I go into great detail from habit of speaking to the deaf (literally deaf), It gets drawn out, because of our language, same words have multiple meanings and the slang is overwhelming for the deaf. Sorry, long time usual habit for me.

 

[Philip James]

And? He suffered and died on Friday - as important as is His resurrection - so should we keep that?

Yes!

The current discipline in the Church is to fast (in one way or another) on Fridays.
Attending the Celebration of the Eucharist is available every day of course, and Sunday, the whole community gathers to celebrate Eucharist, and Christ Risen from the dead! The eighth day.. The first day of the new creation..

Pax et Bonum