Why did Christ found the church?
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marksman
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Zeal without knowledge is useless (according to Scripture). Christ did not found the church so that Pope Francis could support the Satanic globalists while pretending to be the "vicar of Christ". Since the papacy is integral to theefaith's "faith", you can see where this will lead.
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
There is only one church founded by Christ on Peter Matt 16:18-19 all others are heretical sects the tradition of men!
only Christ has authority!
True.
That church is the ekklesia.
While the latter is founded in Rome, built over a pagan grave yard. Paganism is its foundation, and Roman governance its model authority. Just as Constantine intended. Rome rules the world. Caesar=Pope College Cardinals=Roman Senate.
Revelation 17
18. ''And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth.”
That church is the ekklesia.
While the latter is founded in Rome, built over a pagan grave yard. Paganism is its foundation, and Roman governance its model authority. Just as Constantine intended. Rome rules the world. Caesar=Pope College Cardinals=Roman Senate.
Revelation 17
18. ''And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth.”
Prophecy of the new covenant and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5
Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Matt 21:43 taken from Israel given to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 18:18 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20
1 Peter 4:11
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Christ is king and has all authority and dominion!
Christ appointed Peter, the apostles, and their successors to govern the church and administer the kingdom until He returns in glory!
Submission and obedience to them is submission and obedience to Christ!
Like Joseph under pharaoh the king and his brothers bowed in obedience to Him as God willed!
But Protestant fundamentalists will not, for satan the first Protestant was in rebellion against God saying: I will not serve! I will not obey!
So who is you’re leader?
All those who submit and obey are Christ’s!
Jurisdictional authority:
Hierarchical authority:
Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Apostolic authority!
God sent them apostles to teach them the truth revealed by Christ!
Matt 28:19 all the apostles
Philip an apostle acts 8
Peter an apostle acts 10
Jn 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Acts 22:15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
There is a big difference between the people, and the priesthood of Christ and the apostles!
Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.
Matt 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, I send you. And Jn 17:18 I send you!
(The apostles with the same mission, power, and authority)
The apostles received the kingdom.
Lk 22:29
The apostles administer the kingdom. Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18
The apostles govern the church.
Matt 28:19-20
The apostles hold office.
Acts 1:15-20
The apostles have authority to forgive sins. Jn 20:23
Apostles are the light of the world!
The church is an extension of Christ in time and space. Matt 5:14
The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!
Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!
The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!
Three fold ministry,
Teaching:
Sanctification:
Governing:
Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22
Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.
Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments
God established order and peace and knowledge of truth in a hierarchical authority of Peter and the apostles!
There is a hierarchical authority in all that God has ordained!
The angelic kingdom!
The civil kingdom!
The church kingdom!
The family!
All are ordered with hierarchical and jurisdictional authority!
Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!
Sacramental life: Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. Jn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Initiation into the new covenant must be ministered to you by the apostles!
There CANNOT be both!
Either Apostolic tradition in hierarchical authority which establishes truth, peace and order!
Or
Spiritual anarchy producing chaos and disorder!
Acts 16:17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.
Men show is the way of salvation?
Matt. 16:18; 18:18 – Jesus uses the word “ecclesia” only twice in the New Testament Scriptures, which demonstrates that Jesus intended a visible, unified, hierarchical, and authoritative Church.
Acts 20:17,28 – Paul refers to both the elders or priests (“presbyteroi”) and the bishops (“episkopoi”) of the Church. Both are ordained leaders within the hierarchical structure of the Church. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".
1 Cor. 12:28 – God Himself appoints the various positions of authority within the Church. As a loving Father, God gives His children the freedom and authority to act with charity and justice to bring about His work of salvation.
Eph. 4:11 – the Church is hierarchical and includes apostles, prophets, pastors, and teachers, all charged to build up the Church. The Church is not an invisible entity with an invisible foundation. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".
Phil. 1:1 – Paul addresses the bishops and deacons of the Church. They can all trace their unbroken lineage back to the apostles.
1 Tim. 3:1; Titus 1:7 – Christ’s Church has bishops (“episkopoi”) who are direct successors of the apostles. The bishops can trace the authority conferred upon them back to the apostles. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".
1 Tim. 5:17; Titus 1:5; James 5:14 – Christ’s Church also has elders or priests (“presbyteroi”) who serve the bishops. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".
1 Tim. 3:8 – Christ’s Church also has deacons (“diakonoi”). Thus, Jesus Christ’s Church has a hierarchy of authority – bishops, priests and deacons, who can all trace their lineage back to Peter and the apostles. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".
Exodus 28:1 and 19:6 – shows the three offices of the Old Testament priesthood
(1). high priest – Aaron (Ex. 28:1);
(2). Ministerial priests – Aaron’s sons (Ex. 19:6; 28:1); and
(3). Universal priests – Israel (Ex. 19:6).
The New Testament priesthood also has three offices:
(1) High Priest – Jesus Christ (Heb. 3:1);
(2) Ministerial priests – the ordained bishops and priests (Rom. 15:16; 1 Tim. 3:1,8; 5:17; Titus 1:7); and
(3) Universal priests – all the baptized (1 Pet. 2:5,9; Rev. 1:6).
Hierarchical authority:
Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
Apostolic authority!
God sent them apostles to teach them the truth revealed by Christ!
Matt 28:19 all the apostles
Philip an apostle acts 8
Peter an apostle acts 10
Jn 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
Acts 22:15 For thou shalt be his witness unto all men of what thou hast seen and heard.
There is a big difference between the people, and the priesthood of Christ and the apostles!
Matthew 22:14
For many are called, but few are chosen.
Matt 13:11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
Jn 20:21 as the father sent me, I send you. And Jn 17:18 I send you!
(The apostles with the same mission, power, and authority)
The apostles received the kingdom.
Lk 22:29
The apostles administer the kingdom. Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18
The apostles govern the church.
Matt 28:19-20
The apostles hold office.
Acts 1:15-20
The apostles have authority to forgive sins. Jn 20:23
Apostles are the light of the world!
The church is an extension of Christ in time and space. Matt 5:14
The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!
Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!
The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!
Three fold ministry,
Teaching:
Sanctification:
Governing:
Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22
Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.
Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.
Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments
God established order and peace and knowledge of truth in a hierarchical authority of Peter and the apostles!
There is a hierarchical authority in all that God has ordained!
The angelic kingdom!
The civil kingdom!
The church kingdom!
The family!
All are ordered with hierarchical and jurisdictional authority!
Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!
Sacramental life: Jn 1:16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. Jn 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
2 Peter 1:11
For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Initiation into the new covenant must be ministered to you by the apostles!
There CANNOT be both!
Either Apostolic tradition in hierarchical authority which establishes truth, peace and order!
Or
Spiritual anarchy producing chaos and disorder!
Acts 16:17 The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.
Men show is the way of salvation?
Matt. 16:18; 18:18 – Jesus uses the word “ecclesia” only twice in the New Testament Scriptures, which demonstrates that Jesus intended a visible, unified, hierarchical, and authoritative Church.
Acts 20:17,28 – Paul refers to both the elders or priests (“presbyteroi”) and the bishops (“episkopoi”) of the Church. Both are ordained leaders within the hierarchical structure of the Church. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".
1 Cor. 12:28 – God Himself appoints the various positions of authority within the Church. As a loving Father, God gives His children the freedom and authority to act with charity and justice to bring about His work of salvation.
Eph. 4:11 – the Church is hierarchical and includes apostles, prophets, pastors, and teachers, all charged to build up the Church. The Church is not an invisible entity with an invisible foundation. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".
Phil. 1:1 – Paul addresses the bishops and deacons of the Church. They can all trace their unbroken lineage back to the apostles.
1 Tim. 3:1; Titus 1:7 – Christ’s Church has bishops (“episkopoi”) who are direct successors of the apostles. The bishops can trace the authority conferred upon them back to the apostles. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".
1 Tim. 5:17; Titus 1:5; James 5:14 – Christ’s Church also has elders or priests (“presbyteroi”) who serve the bishops. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".
1 Tim. 3:8 – Christ’s Church also has deacons (“diakonoi”). Thus, Jesus Christ’s Church has a hierarchy of authority – bishops, priests and deacons, who can all trace their lineage back to Peter and the apostles. It is not, as you say, "artificially contrived".
Exodus 28:1 and 19:6 – shows the three offices of the Old Testament priesthood
(1). high priest – Aaron (Ex. 28:1);
(2). Ministerial priests – Aaron’s sons (Ex. 19:6; 28:1); and
(3). Universal priests – Israel (Ex. 19:6).
The New Testament priesthood also has three offices:
(1) High Priest – Jesus Christ (Heb. 3:1);
(2) Ministerial priests – the ordained bishops and priests (Rom. 15:16; 1 Tim. 3:1,8; 5:17; Titus 1:7); and
(3) Universal priests – all the baptized (1 Pet. 2:5,9; Rev. 1:6).
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
Do tell us, where is the altar that we have to come to bow the knee and acknowledge your vastly superior knowledge about everything we are not interested in. Do you hand out indulgences at the altar so we can buy our way into heaven?
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
Tell me, do you get brain damage having to sit up all day and night trying to find scriptures that say what you want them to say so that you can say a few hail mary's to reduce the likelihood of you missing heaven's gate because your sanctimonious clap trap doesn't make the grade of perfection.
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
marksman
My eldest granddaughter showing the result of her
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