Why did Christ found the church?
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matt 16:18 Christ builds his church (physical and spiritual)
(Visible and invisible)
Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
how can they flow to it if it’s not known or visible?
how can the light of the world not be seen?
seek ye first the kingdom of God, how can you seek the kingdom of it ain’t real?
Dogma is truth revealed by God!
Truth must be revealed by God, and in its fullness in the sacred deposit of faith by Christ to his church! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3 and must be taught by the church, or proposed for our belief by the apostles!
Matt 28:19-20 Lk 1:4 Jn 20:21 acts 8:31 Rom 1:5 col 2:7 1 Tim 3:15
matt 18:17
Christ and His church are one! acts 9:4 Acts 5:32 Jn 15:1-5
Truth is immutable! Cannot change!
And same truths revealed by Christ and taught by the church are always believed and taught from the beginning when Christ taught his church in person! Jude 1:3 the faith once delivered to the saints or the deposit of faith eph 4:5 one faith!
Truth must be revealed by God thru Christ to His church (the apostles Jude 1:3) then must be proposed by the church, (Matt 28:19 gal 3:23) without error by the Holy Spirit! (Jn 16:13)
@theefaith
Once more the Catholic denomination is NOT THE church of God nor the bride of Christ.............END of story !
Once more the Catholic denomination is NOT THE church of God nor the bride of Christ.............END of story !
then what is this kingdom that all nations see and flow too???
Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Dogma is a short concise “statement” of the truth revealed by Christ, and taught by his holy church! Matt 28:19
“there is only one God”!
That’s dogma!
“there is only one God”!
That’s dogma!
@theefaith ,
You know something, I've let you worry my soul for the LAST time!
Keep your Catholic dogma and see where it gets you!
Hold to the sacraments, traditions, priest, bishops & popes coat-tails if you want to!
Believe Jesus gave what was his unto Peter with all you're indoctrinated to believe!
We are finito, carry your dogma as the Word, live by decree of your pope......
I'll follow the Word of God & live by the Holy Spirit!
ok shoot yourself!
but outside the new covenant church you cannot have the Holy Spirit or grace apart from the sacraments nor can you know what is and what is not the word of God much less properly know their meaning apart from the teaching authority of Christ in his holy church, and there is famine in the camp of the heretics but in my fathers house even his servants have plenty to eat!
my intention is to edify not to worry you
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quietthinker
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I may not agree with you a lot but at least I’ll commend you for keeping it simple, thanks
Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 cor 1: 2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both their's and our's:
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I look at the life of Jesus as the scriptures reveal.....then I look at the get up and the rituals engaged by the dignitaries of the RCC....the opulence they flaunt.....it's like chalk and cheese, but I suppose if you can't tell the difference, chalk is definitely cheaper!
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Isaiah 54:2
“Enlarge the place of your tent, And let them stretch out the curtains of your dwellings; Do not spare; Lengthen your cords, And strengthen your stakes.
Isaiah 26:15
You have increased the nation, O Lord,
You have increased the nation;
You are glorified.
“Enlarge the place of your tent, And let them stretch out the curtains of your dwellings; Do not spare; Lengthen your cords, And strengthen your stakes.
Isaiah 26:15
You have increased the nation, O Lord,
You have increased the nation;
You are glorified.
Jesus was high priest and wore special garment
Do you despise Dominion?
Christ is king and has a kingdom with his ministers ruling his kingdom till he returns
Prophecy of the new covenant and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof. (The new covenant church) Jn 15:1-5
Dan 2: 44 And in the days of these kings (Roman Caesars) shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Isaiah 2:2
And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.
Micah 4:1
But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
Daniel 7:18
But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.
Rev 21: 10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Lk 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:
33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.
Lk 22:29 And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Matthew 5:14
Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
Matt 21:43 taken from Israel given to Peter and the apostles Matt 16:18-19 18:18 Jn 20:21 eph 2:20
1 Peter 4:11
If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Jude 1:8
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
Jude 1:25
To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.
Christ is king and has all authority and dominion!
Christ appointed Peter, the apostles, and their successors to govern the church and administer the kingdom until He returns in glory!
Submission and obedience to them is submission and obedience to Christ!
Like Joseph under pharaoh the king and his brothers bowed in obedience to Him as God willed!
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