Sinning with purpose is sinning with pleasure

[MatthewG]

Yes, it pleases God to confess our sinning to Him with faith in Jesus that He forgives and saves us. In this way we are not unbelievers that reject Jesus' price on the cross to forgive us. It also pleases Him when we do good because He wants us to like with any father and son.

A good father wants his son to do good, and a good father also wants his son to believe he can come and confess to him when the son disobeys. He doesn't want the son to think he will kill him rather than forgive him if he confesses it from the heart.

Hello to you again.

Was just simply sharing thoughts and you too as well with me assuredly.

The only good one does is credited to the Father because of the holy spirit which one is given by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Living in newness of life by and through the spirit having a desire to worship God in spirit and in truth.

As you mention the Father is also prone to cutting his children back, as Yeshua had mentioned in John 15. All for the reason done is for human beings to grow and mature in knowledge and to live by the spirit more in their life rather than the flesh which is so hard to do for all people, even myself.

Just simply sharing, thank you for your time.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I know this is going to fall on deaf ears…

JW beleifs and “Mormonism” have very little in common besides being on Protestant hit lists. There’s no reason to mix them until or compare them.

Not true. While I am sure there are many differences, there are also similarities that are hard to ignore, as well.

1. Both started by one specific man.
2. Both started in 1800’s.
3. Both started in America.
4. Both look to additional writings besides the Bible.
5. Both reject the Trinity.
6. Both reject hell.
7. Both promote door to door preaching.
8. Both believed that black people were not equivalents to white people until long after the Civil Rights movement, and then claimed that their change of stance was ordained through God, not through pressure from social progression.
9. Both had various re-organizations and or splinter groups.
10. Both preach a different Jesus from historic Christianity, with the JWs teaching Jesus is Michael the Archangel or a little "a" god, and the Mormons teaching that he is the brother of Lucifer and just one of many gods.
11. Both believe in weird stuff outside the Bible. Mormons believe in spiritual underwear and in becoming their own gods (having jurisdiction over worlds with spiritual children). JW’s believe toasting is demonic, and that blood transfusions are forbidden.
12. Both have characteristics identified with cults.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Not true. While I am sure there are many differences, there are also similarities that are hard to ignore, as well.

1. Both started by one specific man.
2. Both started in 1800’s.
3. Both started in America.
4. Both look to additional writings besides the Bible.
5. Both reject the Trinity.
6. Both reject hell.
7. Both promote door to door preaching.
8. Both believed that black people were not equivalents to white people until long after the Civil Rights movement, and then claimed that their change of stance was ordained through God, not through pressure from social progression.
9. Both had various re-organizations and or splinter groups.
10. Both preach a different Jesus from historic Christianity, with the JWs teaching Jesus is Michael the Archangel or a little "a" god, and the Mormons teaching that he is the brother of Lucifer and just one of many gods.
11. Both believe in weird stuff outside the Bible. Mormons believe in spiritual underwear and in becoming their own gods (having jurisdiction over worlds with spiritual children). JW’s believe toasting is demonic, and that blood transfusions are forbidden.

This list boils down to “they are two groups that believe differently than I do”. Its very low quality. Digging into actual differences:

JW deny the at Jesus is God.

LDS Christians firmly believe in Christ’s divinity- He is God. He, the Father, and the Holy Spirt are 3 different persons in 1 God. They are one through unity. The idea of homosious is rejected though.

 

[Robert Gwin]

False. God did become a man. The Word WAS God (John 1:1), and the Word was made flesh (John 1:14). God was manifest in the flesh (1 Timothy 3:16).

Both of those verses are altered BH, check an interlinear sir. Best worship the God of Jesus, because He was in heaven while Jesus was on earth, even speaking from heaven at Jesus' baptism.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Jesus is my Lord and my God. We don't have the same Jesus. Most teachings to me are just intellectual and can be interesting to learn or even disagree about but if your Jesus is not God, then there's really nothing to talk about. I don't want your Jesus no more than I want Buddha or Allah.

You are very correct sir, my God is the God of Jesus. Who did Jesus say his God is Al? If you can answer that, then you know who my God is.

 

[Robert Gwin]

You have placed yourself inside a hornets nest of confusion, and you are seeing error where none exists.

Mark 10:40
“But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.”

Mark 13:32
“But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.”

These are two unrelated things.

In Mark 10:40 Jesus is implying that it is the Father’s choice to give to who sits on His right hand and left. It does not mean Jesus does not have authority in other things at that time. Jesus was given all authority after His resurrection.

In Mark 13:32, Jesus is referring to how He does not know the day or the hour of His return. This unrelated to Mark 10:40. This also does not mean Jesus is not God, either (John 1:1, John 1:14, 1 Timothy 3:16). I believe the Word made flesh (Jesus) suppressed His Omniscience (i.e. His knowledge to know all things) before the foundation of the world. This was the glory that Jesus said He shared with the Father in John 17. For the Scriptures talk about the glory of the knowledge of the Lord. But of course this type of teaching is above your pay grade and you will of course reject it because of the church you belong to (i.e. the Jehovah’s Witnesses).

The JW religion is clearly false like Mormonism. They both came way later in history and they violate the warning in the book of Revelation not to add any words to the book of this prophecy. In other words, before these religions showed up, people would be believing falsely until their new revelation came. This is nonsense. Not only that, but these new religions violate the Word of God in many places. It’s simply deception in the highest order. In other words, you cannot trace the JW religion and Mormonism back to the early church in history. The beliefs are in crazy land thinking beyond what the Bible says.

Doesn't matter, neither Jehovah nor Jesus lie sir. As I pointed out, if Jesus were God, then he lied in those two passages, and our hope would be in vain.

The Bible identifies God's people beyond any doubt, would you care to discuss that or identify God's people?

 

[Robert Gwin]

Westcott and Hort were the first diabolical duo to get others to start moving away from the King James Bible (Textus Receptus). Westcott and Hort were both into Catholicism. Their work (Greek text) was completed in 1881. Today, the Nestle and Aland Greek New Testament uses the Westcott and Hort text as it’s base although it made changes. The Nestle and Aland NT Greek text is under the direct influence of the Vatican. Most of all your Modern bibles use this Nestle and Aland text. The New World Translation is based upon the Westcott and Hort text of 1881. Even your own people will admit that, and Westcott and Hort were into Catholicism big time. So this just goes to show you from what kind of well you are drinking from.

Your New Testament translation (New World Translation) was not even finished until 1950. Your complete version of the Bible was not finished until 1961. Your religion was founded in a US city in the late 1800’s. You did not even have your own translation until almost a hundred years later. This is why the JW religion cannot be taken seriously.

Side Note:

The Critical Text (for the NT text that Westcott and Hort used) is based primarily on the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus. The Old Testament for the Critical Text is the Biblia Hebraica (Including your precious New World Translation) translated by a man named Rudolf Kittel (Note: He is not related to the reindeer). Rudolf Kittel was never mentioned as being a Bible believing Christian. Rudolph Kittel demonstrated antisemitic tendencies in private and popular expression (See Enyclopedia.com here to learn more about him). His son Gerhard Kittel was one of his closest aides on the translation and Gerhard turned out to be a Nazi in Hitler's movement.

Side Note 2:

You can read about your own New World Translation here:

New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures - Wikipedia

You will find that it did make updates in favoring the Nestle and Aland (Which was influenced by the Vatican).

The King James Bible was always hated by Catholics.
That’s one of the many of the reasons of why I stick with it.

Side Note 3:

While I am not saying I don’t use Modern bibles, the point is that they are not my final word of authority like the King James Bible. I only use Modern Bibles or look to the original languages so as to see what the KJB says (because the KJB was written in 1600’s English0.

Is the King James version of the Bible altered sir?

 

[Always Believing]

Military is one of the many areas of disagreement between JW and LDS Christians (“Mormons”). JW are anti nationalism, voting, military participation, etc. LDS Christians are pro being a part of your community/country (voting, flags, etc) and are ok with military participation (obviously still trying to avoid wars).

And every Christian person (regardless of denomination, so including LDS Christians and JW ) is tasked with preaching His Gospel. Preaching to atheists, members of other faiths, and other Christian denominations.

Preaching to all Christians the gospel of Jesus Christ is preaching to the churches but preaching to convert other Christians to your sect is proselytization and you are preaching as wrong Christians, which is the same as preaching to unbelievers in your own mind.

 

[Always Believing]

Hello to you again.

Was just simply sharing thoughts and you too as well with me assuredly.

The only good one does is credited to the Father because of the holy spirit which one is given by faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. Living in newness of life by and through the spirit having a desire to worship God in spirit and in truth.

As you mention the Father is also prone to cutting his children back, as Yeshua had mentioned in John 15. All for the reason done is for human beings to grow and mature in knowledge and to live by the spirit more in their life rather than the flesh which is so hard to do for all people, even myself.

Just simply sharing, thank you for your time.

The main reason I don't try and think I'm not going to sin again is because Jesus says His way is not hard by easy.

For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. (Matthew 11.30)

Doing good is easy for a Christian because we now have Jesus in us moving us to do so. We have His mind now. The task may be hard as the Bible says but not the spirit we do it with. Like a good soldier we soldier on but without making it harder on ourselves by a wrong attitude. We still must endure the things of this life but I don't even try to endure worrying about whether I am going to fail or sin or other things. It's like Jesus telling His disciples not to think ahead about times of tribulation but only do it when the time comes.

I do try not sin when the tempting times come and many times I win in Christ and other times I do not and that is when I must believe as soon as I confess it I will be forgiven and restored to Him.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Preaching to all Christians the gospel of Jesus Christ is preaching to the churches but preaching to convert other Christians to your sect is proselytization and you are preaching as wrong Christians, which is the same as preaching to unbelievers in your own mind.

On that I’ll passionately disagree with you— we should always be striving to feedHis sheep! Not because they are unsaved, but because it is good to continually be nurished and grow closer to Him.

 

[MatthewG]

The main reason I don't try and think I'm not going to sin again is because Jesus says His way is not hard by easy.

For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light. (Matthew 11.30)

Doing good is easy for a Christian because we now have Jesus in us moving us to do so. We have His mind now. The task may be hard as the Bible says but not the spirit we do it with. Like a good soldier we soldier on but without making it harder on ourselves by a wrong attitude. We still must endure the things of this life but I don't even try to endure worrying about whether I am going to fail or sin or other things. It's like Jesus telling His disciples not to think ahead about times of tribulation but only do it when the time comes.

I do try not sin when the tempting times come and many times I win in Christ and other times I do not and that is when I must believe as soon as I confess it I will be forgiven and restored to Him.

It is however not easy for those who do not understand this type of knowledge to begin with. There are many already born-again Christians, however still immature in their understanding and knowledge and perhaps are not growing in that which is useful for all people.

It is great that you understand what I was speaking about, too. It is only to remind you of this situation that it is good to remind you that great you do not want to sin. You still do sometimes though. You have God to confess to, however Yeshua done paid for your sins already, it is just we turn away from the old life and put the focus on the new life for the believer and mature and grow in faith, spirit, and knowledge.

 

[Always Believing]

You are very correct sir, my God is the God of Jesus. Who did Jesus say his God is Al? If you can answer that, then you know who my God is.

Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Phil 2.9-11)

Moreover, the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him. (John 5.23)

Anyone who thinks they are bowing to the Father as God and not to the Son also, is not honoring the Son as the Father, and is fooling themselves. If your God is not the Lamb and the Father, then your God is not my God. You can claim it, but that is like those who claim Jesus with some minor honor of their lips but deny Him His rightful Godly power above all powers:

lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God—having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people. (2 Tim 3.4-5)

You only have a form of worship to God when you reject the Son as God and do not honor Him as the Father is God. In the site rules I read how we are not to doubt someone is a Christian if they claim to be one, which is fine by me because the only name in heaven and earth that I respect most is Jesus, and is also respecting the Father who gave His Son the name and declared that name to be above His own name. But that does not mean I have to fellowship with idolaters as brothers and sisters in the Lord Jesus. You are one of them that try to proselytize Christians to your own form of worship.

Every knee will bow to Jesus the Lamb as to God, and will finally honor Him as to the Father, but some too late. When we honor the Son we honor the Father, and when we honor the Father we honor the Son. Unbelievers can try to separate Them from One another in their hearts and minds, but God doesn't and never will. Lucifer was the first one to dishonor the Word and the Father and the Spirit.

Jesus' God is the Father's God and the Holy Spirit's God with Him. They are all three one God together and they all respect One another equally and their divine unity and oneness together. Like a faithful husband and wife respect each other equally and their marriage together, which they hold to as the most important thing in their life.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. (John 1.1-3)

For it is the God who commanded light to shine out of darkness, who has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ. (2 Cor 4:6)

The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters. (Gen 1.2)

God the Father and the Word and the Holy Spirit create all things when the Father commands the Word to speak and the Spirit does the work of the words spoken. It is the Spirit who made the body for the Son in Mary's womb when the Father commanded Him to become a man, and He obeyed and became flesh on earth, so that while a man He made Himself nothing like He was on the throne, because He became physical like all men and women. And now He is the only resurrected man in heaven back on the throne where He came from but now in an even more honored seat with Jesus the Lamb sitting on the right hand and the Father sits on the left hand. Jesus is given the place of higher honor than the Father, because of what He has done for all men on earth and died on a cross. If either of them are to be honored above the other, then is it the Son who sits in the highest place of honor forever, which is the right hand seat on the throne given to Him without remorse by the Father. And in the new heaven and earth it will only be God and the Lamb sitting on their throne.

That power is the same as the mighty strength he exerted when he raised Christ from the dead and seated him at his right hand in the heavenly realms, far above all rule and authority, power and dominion, and every name that is invoked, not only in the present age but also in the one to come. (Eph 1.19-21)

Also the Lamb now has the honor of more power than the Spirit and the Father, because they gave it to Him to honor Him, and they did not begrudge it, because the Father loves the Son and the Son loves the Father. But His power is not more than God Himself who is altogether the Spirit and the Father and the Son. Only pagan idolators think in terms of a King God who is separate from and better than the other lesser gods.

There were also two Lords in the OT, Christ the Lord and the LORD Father and they had many names such as the Almighty to Abraham and Jehovah to Moses and now it is only the one name Jesus forever the Lamb of God and is above every name of God ever named by Him in the OT, the NT, and the new heaven and earth to come.

So stick that in your pipe and smoke it until you repent of rejecting Jesus Christ as Lord and God or at least stop trying to proselytize people like you tried with me in your sneaky manner. I would have respected you more if you just come out and say what you have to say and let the chips fall where they may. Don't bother trying it with me anymore because I don't argue about the Bible just for the sake of arguing. We will never agree on anything in the Bible in this matter. There are other things we can hash out but not this one and it is the first and most important one of all. All the rest are like sideshows to me.

 

[Always Believing]

It is however not easy for those who do not understand this type of knowledge to begin with. There are many already born-again Christians, however still immature in their understanding and knowledge and perhaps are not growing in that which is useful for all people.

It is great that you understand what I was speaking about, too. It is only to remind you of this situation that it is good to remind you that great you do not want to sin. You still do sometimes though. You have God to confess to, however Yeshua done paid for your sins already, it is just we turn away from the old life and put the focus on the new life for the believer and mature and grow in faith, spirit, and knowledge.

Thanks alot but unless I am mistaken I dont think we believe Jesus dying for us in the same way. He died for us that we can be forgiven of our sins we commit, but only when we confess them to be forgiven for them. If you think we are already forgiven of all our sinning on earth, then I don't believe that and I certainly don't practice my faith that way. When I sin I must confess it to be forgiven for it. I don't presume on Jesus that He's already forgiven me, no more than I would any man on earth, and Jesus is the man in heaven that was on earth.

When the Bible says Jesus died for our sins, it is saying He died because of men are sinners, and so they crucified Him an innocent man who did them no harm.

Do not be a witness against your neighbor without cause, For would you deceive with your lips? (Prov 24.28)

"But this happened that the word might be fulfilled which is written in their law, 'They hated Me without a cause.' (John 15.25)

Jesus didn't die for us to sin and already be forgiven. He died for us that sin to be forgiven by simple confession from the heart, rather than by sacrificing bulls and goats and pigeons. They they had Him killed on a cross because they were wicked sinners, and He did not resist as He could have and brought down legions of angels, and so He allowed Himself to be killed that by shedding His blood any man can now be forgiven of their sins by confession and seeking not to do them anymore, and if we do sin then we can confess again and be forgiven again as before.

Then Peter came to Him and said, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?" Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. (Matthew 18:21)

 

[Always Believing]

On that I’ll passionately disagree with you— we should always be striving to feedHis sheep! Not because they are unsaved, but because it is good to continually be nourished and grow closer to Him.

It looks like you're misunderstanding me a bit. I agree with you we should minister to all Christians alike, but there are those sects and groups that think they are the only right churches or organizations and so they act like missionaries to other Christians to convert them to their own proper faith. That is why Mormons ride around on Christian streets and JWs are knocking on doors. It's not to convert the atheists and unbelieving Muslims and Buddhist, but also to missionize other confessing Christians.

It's like the Pharisees did in Jesus' day. Their name literally meant separators or separatists.

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves. (Matthew 23.15)

They did among the Jews what Christians also began to do in Paul's day and still do today.

For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe's household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," or "I am of Apollos," or "I am of Cephas," or "I am of Christ." Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? (1 Cor 1.11-13)

When the Corinthians were saying I am of Paul, they were not just expressing more honor and appreciation for his ministry, but were taking a stand against Apollos and Cephas. Plenty of Christians identify as Baptists, Methodists, etc... but the separatists like Mormons and Catholics, and some holiness Pentecost groups, are not just standing for Christ, but are also standing against the Baptists and Methodists they think need to be converted and saved to their own true faith. That's the difference between preaching to all Christians and proselytizing other Christians.

 

[MatthewG]

Thanks alot but unless I am mistaken I dont think we believe Jesus dying for us in the same way. He died for us that we can be forgiven of our sins we commit, but only when we confess them to be forgiven for them. If you think we are already forgiven of all our sinning on earth, then I don't believe that and I certainly don't practice my faith that way. When I sin I must confess it to be forgiven for it. I don't presume on Jesus that He's already forgiven me, no more than I would any man on earth, and Jesus is the man in heaven that was on earth.

Hello to you again, Always believing,

Okay. When I sin, there is guilt that comes up in my life and the notions of bad feelings are there. I do sin and can say that without hesitation as in my flesh really dwells no good thing, and since being born there was evil in my own heart.

Sin however because of what Jesus did, has had victory over Sin, for all individuals regardless if they accept Him or Not. Those of non-faith remain to be made right with God by faith which is open to any person to take part in by their own decision. When that individual starts to dwell on the things of God more and desire more in their life, the more the spirit is produced in their life if they are reading the bible contextually, and doing their best to rely in faith towards God for having given them life in the first place, and be able to commune with God through prayer and supplications along with taking time out to look and read the bible and learn what it does say, and what the context is about. Which helps fortify the faith we have in the Son of God, who had paid for the sins of all the world. Along with being Saviour of the world, God through Christ is the one whom allowed everything to be the way it has with not only being the savior of 'especially those who believe' but those who do not as well.

The Death of Christ was sad, and it was also truly amazing what he did on the behalf of all the World, whom God (which Jesus had stated) had loved (All in the Universe). The Jews in that day that put him to death those, were waiting and expecting for a great day of the LORD to come about which Judgement would be meete with the Wrath of God for the nation of Israel having put Jesus to death.

The Resurrection is where new life is born, and the old life is left behind mainly focusing time on the things of Heaven, storing treasures in heaven rather than on earth, which again fortifies ones faith, who go and read the bible, study it, pray, talk with God as people know one day they will pass away and die, and the flesh is hard to overcome. The only overcomer is Christ with-in who helps by the Spirit and leads born-again believers into a brand new spiritual lead life, with being able to have access to God freely and openly anywhere, at anytime.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

It looks like you're misunderstanding me a bit. I agree with you we should minister to all Christians alike, but there are those sects and groups that think they are the only right churches or organizations and so they act like missionaries to other Christians to convert them to their own proper faith. That is why Mormons ride around on Christian streets and JWs are knocking on doors. It's not to convert the atheists and unbelieving Muslims and Buddhist, but also to missionize other confessing Christians.

It's like the Pharisees did in Jesus' day. Their name literally meant separators or separatists.

“Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you travel land and sea to win one proselyte, and when he is won, you make him twice as much a son of hell as yourselves. (Matthew 23.15)

They did among the Jews what Christians also began to do in Paul's day and still do today.

For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe's household, that there are contentions among you. Now I say this, that each of you says, "I am of Paul," or "I am of Apollos," or "I am of Cephas," or "I am of Christ." Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul? (1 Cor 1.11-13)

When the Corinthians were saying I am of Paul, they were not just expressing more honor and appreciation for his ministry, but were taking a stand against Apollos and Cephas. Plenty of Christians identify as Baptists, Methodists, etc... but the separatists like Mormons and Catholics, and some holiness Pentecost groups, are not just standing for Christ, but are also standing against the Baptists and Methodists they think need to be converted and saved to their own true faith. That's the difference between preaching to all Christians and proselytizing other Christians.

Yet another difference between JW and LDS Christians ("Mormons"):
- JW believe that you need to be a JW to be saved and don't acknowledge anyone else's belief in Christ.
- LDS Christians celebrate other folks relationships in Christ, that they are also Christian, and have valid saving relationships with Christ. Preaching is done with a "bringing more goodness" mentality instead of a "I got to save these folks from a horrible fate".

Thee are also Protestant groups that literally believe you are damned if you're not their particular brand of Protestant. For just one random example from being on this forum: I've had folks tell me I'm damned simply because I don't believe OSAS.

And honestly, I have zero problem with folks proselytizing* for their denomination- in fact I applaud it! Passion and study is a great thing! *With the major caveat here: you got to being doing it the right way: preach the goodness from Christ testified in your heart-- share His light with love! Versus other way like trying to trash talk other folks or deny their relationship with Christ.

 

[amigo de christo]

Yet another difference between JW and LDS Christians ("Mormons"):
- JW believe that you need to be a JW to be saved and don't acknowledge anyone else's belief in Christ.
- LDS Christians celebrate other folks relationships in Christ, that they are also Christian, and have valid saving relationships with Christ. Preaching is done with a "bringing more goodness" mentality instead of a "I got to save these folks from a horrible fate".

Thee are also Protestant groups that literally believe you are damned if you're not their particular brand of Protestant. For just one random example from being on this forum: I've had folks tell me I'm damned simply because I don't believe OSAS.

And honestly, I have zero problem with folks proselytizing* for their denomination- in fact I applaud it! Passion and study is a great thing! *With the major caveat here: you got to being doing it the right way: preach the goodness from Christ testified in your heart-- share His light with love! Versus other way like trying to trash talk other folks or deny their relationship with Christ.

The new age mormon does this . If ye only went back to the teachers of your own church you would realize
that was not always the case . Every false denomination and religoin is now going under
THIS Many path idea . Just saying . WE should have stayed glued in the bible and followed that JESUS
most folks are gonna end up on the same path you are . HUGGING and holler unity and over looking TRUTH for the sake of unity .
NOT ME . I dont care if it costs me all . I love the peoples and desire only good for them .
This false dead unity is gonna lead folks right to perdition .

 

[Bible Highlighter]

This list boils down to “they are two groups that believe differently than I do”. Its very low quality. Digging into actual differences:

JW deny the at Jesus is God.

LDS Christians firmly believe in Christ’s divinity- He is God. He, the Father, and the Holy Spirt are 3 different persons in 1 God. They are one through unity. The idea of homosious is rejected though.

There are just some religious groups and or types of beliefs I strive to not debate with. No offense, but maybe others are more inclined to debate with you in showing how Mormonism and JW’s are a spoof on Christianity itself. At this time in my life: It is not my calling to debate with Mormons and JW’s to show them that their religion falls into the realm of absolute ridiculousness. I am not even interested remotely in doing that because there is no standard we can agree upon (i.e. like the Bible alone). I cannot show you the silliness of spiritual underwear and or how your organization used to think blacks were inferior (Among many other problems and obvious flaws in your organization). Only God can open your eyes to the truth with His Word (if you will be open to the truth someday).

 

[amigo de christo]

There are just some religious groups and or types of beliefs I strive to not debate with. No offense, but maybe others are more inclined to debate with you in showing how Mormonism and JW’s are a spoof on Christianity itself. At this time in my life: It is not my calling to debate with Mormons and JW’s to show them that their religion falls into the realm of absolute ridiculousness. I am not even interested remotely in doing that because there is no standard we can agree upon (i.e. like the Bible alone). I cannot show you the silliness of spiritual underwear and or how your organization used to think blacks were inferior (Among many other problems and obvious flaws in your organization). Only God can open your eyes to truth with His Word (if you will be open to the truth someday).

the jw , mormon , CC and scores of others have been decieved . The truth is in that bible and i suggest we STICK TO IT .

 

[Blue Dragonfly's]

Never let anyone tell you Jesus was not God.

John 8:58 “58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Exodus 3:14 (ESV) 14. God said to Moses, “I am who I am.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘I am has sent me to you.’ ”

John 1:1 (ESV) 1. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14. And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.


John 20:28 (ESV) 28. Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Jesus had to be God to be the propitiation for our sin. Could a mere man take away the sins of the world?

Is Jesus God? — The reason Jesus must be God.

The most important reason that Jesus must be God is that, if He is not God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for the sins of the world (1 John 2:2). A created being, which Jesus would be if He were not God, could not pay the infinite penalty required for sin against an infinite God. Only God could pay such an infinite penalty. Only God could take on the sins of the world (2 Corinthians 5:21), die, and be resurrected, proving His victory over sin and death. Is Jesus God? Yes. Jesus declared Himself to be God. His followers believed Him to be God. The provision of salvation only works if Jesus is God. Jesus is God incarnate, the eternal Alpha and Omega (Revelation 1:8; 22:13), and God our Savior (2 Peter 1:1).


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