Is God finished with Israel?

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Randy Kluth

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I have no difficulty at all finding out those who come here that reject... Bible Scripture in favor of men's agendas instead. It easy, all one need do is recognize how those fight against plainly written Scripture!

That wasn't the point. The point is, if we hope to help somebody with the Scriptures, or with truth, we must do so *in a Christian way.* We're all guilty, you must agree, that we sometimes fall off the edge, due to the regular provocations that come with disagreement? We need to help one another get back up out of the pit of needless hostility, right? I would like that help from you, as you should want it from me!
 

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Only once one understands... the Bible prophecies that God gave about the scattered ten tribes, can one begin to look for its history and fulfillment. The false Jews are against getting any understanding on the matter, and work against anyone else that does have the understanding.

Even in Matthew 21, Jesus speaking to the BLIND JEWS, gave them a parable of the householder (God The Father) that planted a vineyard. The husbandmen represented the blind Jews that killed the Son. Those blind Jews even pronounced their own sentence when Jesus asked them what should be done to those husbandmen. And then Jesus said...

Matt 21:43
43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

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I agree that in the generation of Jesus, the covenant of God with Israel, under Law, was irretrievably broken. But God had anticipated that, since nobody can be justified by Law. God had every intention, therefore, of providing atonement for Israel, even if in that generation the masses of Jews would reject it. God knew, I believe, that eventually Israel would be restored to being a People of God, when judgment first comes not just to them but also to the whole world.

The "Nation" that God gave His temporal, earthly Kingdom to was Rome. He took the earthly theocracy from Israel and gave it to Rome, who became the center of Christian expansion in the world. Europe became the source of Christian missionary activity around the world. The Roman Kingdom was the "Nation" that received God's temporal Kingdom until finally, the Kingdom of Heaven comes with the Return of Christ.

This transition from Jewish Kingdom to Christian Kingdom does not void God's promise that Israel can return to becoming God's Nation once again. They will, I believe, convert to Christ, as a nation, at the Return of Christ, and so fulfil God's promise to Abraham in this regard.
 

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If the kingdom is present now, why did Jesus teach his disciples, including us, to pray for the kingdom to come?
Yes that's why one has to Pray ! It starts with you !
Jesus said that he would never leave us !
Jesus does not come down in the flesh in the second coming.
 

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Yes that's why one has to Pray ! It starts with you !
Jesus said that he would never leave us !
Jesus does not come down in the flesh in the second coming.

Very bad theology! Jesus is, in fact, coming back *bodily!*

Acts 1.11 "This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
 

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Just to show you how uninspired you are, and how out of touch you are, I often get my scholarly input from Bible Hub Commentaries. They are *not* just a "bunch of Jewish scholars!"

Bible Hub-Bub commentaries? Who in the world needs that!

If our Heavenly Father hasn't shown you directly Himself by The Holy Spirit, then you just don't know what you're talking about. What is sad is that you TRY TO ACT like you know, when you do not, and that is what stirs up my anger, YOUR DISHONESTY. I can smell it a mile away! So like I said, you are not to be trusted, your credibility is like cow dung.
 

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Bible Hub-Bub commentaries? Who in the world needs that!

If our Heavenly Father hasn't shown you directly Himself by The Holy Spirit, then you just don't know what you're talking about. What is sad is that you TRY TO ACT like you know, when you do not, and that is what stirs up my anger, YOUR DISHONESTY. I can smell it a mile away! So like I said, you are not to be trusted, your credibility is like cow dung.

I don't think you're walking in the Holy Spirit when you talk like that. You need to put the carnal man under your feet and start serving the Lord. Character is as important as sound doctrine. God gave gifts to Bible commentators. We shouldn't consider them mistake-proof, but only qualified helpers in the search for biblical truth.
 

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I don't think you're walking in the Holy Spirit when you talk like that. You need to put the carnal man under your feet and start serving the Lord. Character is as important as sound doctrine. God gave gifts to Bible commentators. We shouldn't consider them mistake-proof, but only qualified helpers in the search for biblical truth.

Back for more rebuke by The Holy Spirit, are you?

You need to stop heeding... men's theories, and LISTEN TO THE WORD OF GOD!

And according to prophecy in God's Word, TRUE ISRAEL IS CHRIST'S CHURCH!
No one will be saved based on their FLESH SEED. Only BELIEVERS on Jesus Christ will be saved!
 

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Back for more rebuke by The Holy Spirit, are you?

You need to stop heeding... men's theories, and LISTEN TO THE WORD OF GOD!

And according to prophecy in God's Word, TRUE ISRAEL IS CHRIST'S CHURCH!
No one will be saved based on their FLESH SEED. Only BELIEVERS on Jesus Christ will be saved!

You are not the Holy Spirit! ;)
 

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You are not the Holy Spirit! ;)

Of course I'm not The Holy Spirit, which is silly to suggest I would even think such a stupid idea. I listen to The Holy Spirit, and there's the difference. And you have already well defined you are listening to another spirit by your denial of Bible Scripture as written.
 

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Of course I'm not The Holy Spirit, which is silly to suggest I would even think such a stupid idea. I listen to The Holy Spirit, and there's the difference. And you have already well defined you are listening to another spirit by your denial of Bible Scripture as written.

Holding to a different belief about the Bible than you do does not indicate I'm listening to a false spirit. On the other hand, your judgmental attitude is condemned in the Scriptures.
 

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Very bad theology! Jesus is, in fact, coming back *bodily!*

Acts 1.11 "This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven.”
On the Clouds ?
What that means is, In his Majesty !

Who truly understood Jesus was the Christ, in the flesh ? It was not until he went to Heaven that they truly got that understanding.

Not to mention he said I will be with you always ? that's they who are truly born again ? for such are the Body of Christ and he is their Head ! are such lost ? no they are found ! and by who ? well Christ Jesus found such in fact, they are worthy of his Body, why because they abide in him.
Once truly Saved always Saved !
 

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On the Clouds ?
What that means is, In his Majesty !

Who truly understood Jesus was the Christ, in the flesh ? It was not until he went to Heaven that they truly got that understanding.

Not to mention he said I will be with you always ? that's they who are truly born again ? for such are the Body of Christ and he is their Head ! are such lost ? no they are found ! and by who ? well Christ Jesus found such in fact, they are worthy of his Body, why because they abide in him.
Once truly Saved always Saved !

Well I agree with OSAS, but I can't agree with your explanation of "Returning the Same way." He went up to heaven with the clouds in a physical frame. And I believe it was intended to mean that he's coming back in *exactly* the same way, physical frame and with the clouds. But at least you explained. Thank you.

I might add that there is one noticeable difference in the ascension and the descent. Jesus went up, I believe, with a *healed, resurrected body,* but not a glorified body. I believe he ascended on high in order to receive his glorified body.

So when he comes back, he will descend from heaven in a glorified body. I believe it will still be a physical body, but I do believe it will contain abilities heretofore unknown.

I also believe that once he arrives to establish, by his word, the New Age, he will assume his throne in heaven for a thousand years, together with the glorified Church, and rule over mortal humanity still remaining on earth. This must be in order to fulfill God's promise to Abraham, which has never been completely fulfilled.
 

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Well I agree with OSAS, but I can't agree with your explanation of "Returning the Same way." He went up to heaven with the clouds in a physical frame. And I believe it was intended to mean that he's coming back in *exactly* the same way, physical frame and with the clouds. But at least you explained. Thank you.

I might add that there is one noticeable difference in the ascension and the descent. Jesus went up, I believe, with a *healed, resurrected body,* but not a glorified body. I believe he ascended on high in order to receive his glorified body.

So when he comes back, he will descend from heaven in a glorified body. I believe it will still be a physical body, but I do believe it will contain abilities heretofore unknown.

I also believe that once he arrives to establish, by his word, the New Age, he will assume his throne in heaven for a thousand years, together with the glorified Church, and rule over mortal humanity still remaining on earth. This must be in order to fulfill God's promise to Abraham, which has never been completely fulfilled.
At the second coming how do they all get Saved ?
Not to mention how does one truly get saved for the last 2000 years ?

I would say that the second coming one is Saved the hard way. if one was not saved before hand ? but can one be Saved twice ? No !
If one is Saved now or anyone within the 2000 years was truly Saved ? well that means that they were and are the Body of Christ and he was or is the Head of the Body ?

Now a mate and his religious group makes claims that truly makes out that Jesus was not the Christ ?
Now they do not say that ! but that is what such is to me ? I can see it where they are being duped !
They are pushing that at the second coming all will be Saved, ok, yes ! but they push that they are Saved ? and that they want to bring it on ? To bring Christ down ? Demanding he come down ! But they are doing wrong in order to push this, and I say No you can not do wrong, because you reap what you sow ? So such a one is not Saved in fact ? and they prove this because they are not truly Saved, because they do not know Christ Jesus.
For if they did know him they would be strong in Christ Jesus and not be looking forward to the Hellfire with glee ?
They love the Hellfire to be on people ! but they idolise that they will not go through the Hellfire.
I believe that they will go through the Hellfire because they will reap what they sowed in fact.
But I do not wish Hellfire on the People, I pray that they be Saved ! Come to Christ and advert the Hellfire ! True Christians do not seek harm or evil on others, but call evil out when we see such ! for their and all others good !
When the Hellfire comes I will walk through it, because I fear not for my life, because my Soul is Saved ! I do not run away ! most likely I will be killed but I fear not because I am in Christ ! not of this world anyway because I can see through it's deceptions and delusions.
The one who said one would denied someone 3 times comes to mind, but he turned back for Christ regardless. so too we fear, but our love for Christ Jesus will bring us back for him. not to mention at my age I have nothing to loose, so I will walk through the fire, running a way is no avail to me, not to mention such does not make any sense. I will meet them head on come hell or high water for the glory of Christ Jesus ! Not be raptured away like a gutless dog as they push ? but if I get killed and most likely I will be, my Sole will be raptured away to Christ Jesus = Saved.
So why are they running away ? doing wrong ! They are not abiding in Christ at all ! They are doing the will of who Jesus warned us about, Who sows wrong in Jesus Name ? No one of Christ Jesus does such !

One is tempted to do wrong ! in order to make things right ? :rolleyes: Such a one is of this world in fact ! come on 2 wrongs do not make a right !
I Pray to Save people, I do not want people to be Lost or to kill anyone. I do not have hatred for the Lost, not to mention such hatred is blinding one who is of this world, because they are lost ! the blind leading the blind.
 

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At the second coming how do they all get Saved ?
Not to mention how does one truly get saved for the last 2000 years ?

I share your concern for the Lost, and your resistance to hate for any of them. I was reading today where God has transferred us from the Kingdom of Darkness into the Kingdom of Light. The 1st noticeable truth I received when I fully committed myself to Christ was Light, the light of realizing the presence of Christ in my life.

I feel bad that people choose to remain in Darkness. They choose it because they love the liberty for their independence from God there, the ability to sin if they want, to make their own way in life, and make choices with no regard for God's choices.

I suppose it takes a special person to want to be yoked to God, to want to be willing to submit our every choice to God's will? But I believe that's how we were made, to yield up to the Creator His moral concerns so that in all of our liberties to make choices we always consider what concerns Him.

I'd rather surrender to God and live in the Light than live in the Darkness and suffer perpetual futility. In Christ we'll see a good end. This is particularly important to those of us who are nearing the end of our lives! :)
 
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Yup, for as long as they go on rejecting Jesus..:)
Jesus said:-"Whoever's ashamed of me and my words, I'll be ashamed of him.....Whoever rejects me rejects God" (Mark 8:38, Luke 10:16)


Well then let's ask another question. Will Israel continue to reject Jesus until the end?
 

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Yup, for as long as they go on rejecting Jesus..:)
Jesus said:-"Whoever's ashamed of me and my words, I'll be ashamed of him.....Whoever rejects me rejects God" (Mark 8:38, Luke 10:16)


What if they don't?
 

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Holding to a different belief about the Bible than you do does not indicate I'm listening to a false spirit. On the other hand, your judgmental attitude is condemned in the Scriptures.

REJECTING Scripture as written is the SIGN of instead listening to 'another spirit'.
 

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..Jesus said:-"Whoever's ashamed of me and my words, I'll be ashamed of him.....Whoever rejects me rejects God" (Mark 8:38, Luke 10:16)
Well then let's ask another question. Will Israel continue to reject Jesus until the end


Well they've been rejecting him for 2000 years, so unless they come to their senses and accept him BEFORE they die, they'll be going up the spout along with all other rejecters.
Death is the end for them, no "second chances" for them or anybody else.
 
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Jesus said:-"Whoever's ashamed of me and my words, I'll be ashamed of him.....Whoever rejects me rejects God" (Mark 8:38, Luke 10:16)
What if they don't?

If Jews and all other Jesus-rejecters accept him before they die that's fine, otherwise they'll be trudging down here after they pop their clogs because there's nowhere else for them to go..:)

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