Re the Deity of Yeshua HaMashiach

[RLT63]

We also know, or should, that the Father is his Father and our Father, his God and our God.

No one besides the Father is “his God and our God”. [“my God and your God,” if Jesus is the speaker.]

In order have someone else we must remove Jesus from the equation.

John said no one has seen God. Who did Moses and Abraham see?

 

[Matthias]

John said no one has seen God. Who did Moses and Abraham see?

God. Who do you think they saw, if not God?

 

[Robert Gwin]

It is more helpful to read John 1. It explains who Jesus is.

Yes sir it does, but make sure you are not reading an altered version.

 

[RLT63]

The manifestation of the word in Christ, not that Christ was God.

Because Christ said that:

“Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.” (Matthew 5:8)

If Christ were God then he lied in this verse because the people he was speaking to were looking at him.

And of course we know that Christ is not a liar.

He didn't lie, he was speaking of the Father

 

[RLT63]

God. Who do you think they saw, if not God?

Was John wrong?

 

[MatthewG]

He didn't lie, he was speaking of the Father

RLT63, I read the scripture he shared concerning what Jesus had said, and people seen Jesus, and he said if you have seen him you have seen the Father.

I bet that who will we see when we get to heaven. We will see Yeshua.

 

[David Lamb]

He didn't lie, he was speaking of the Father

Yet He also said, "He who has seen Me has seen the Father." (John 14:9)

 

[MatthewG]

When Jesus came, he overcame the world (John 16:33), fulfilling the mission entrusted to him by the Father. After his resurrection and ascension, he returned to the glory he shared with God before the foundation of the world, as he prayed: “And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began” (John 17:5).

This echoes the mystery of the Word—“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God” (John 1:1). Jesus, the incarnate Word, having completed his work, now sits at the right hand of the Father (Hebrews 1:3; Revelation 3:21), just as he declared: “To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to sit with me on my throne, just as I was victorious and sat down with my Father on his throne” (Revelation 3:21).

This forms the foundation of my conviction: I do not practice worship of Jesus as a separate deity, but rather follow his own instruction—“But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him” (John 4:23-24). Jesus consistently pointed to Yahavah—the one true God—as the object of worship, even saying, “Why do you call me good? No one is good except God alone” (Mark 10:18), emphasizing his role as servant and Son.

Yet I hold deep love and gratitude for Jesus, who revealed the heart of the Father through his life, death, and resurrection. His words, “If you have seen me, you have seen the Father” (John 14:9), affirm the unity and oneness between them—not as a contradiction, but as a revelation of divine nature. In Jesus, the fullness of God was pleased to dwell (Colossians 1:19), and through him, we glimpse the character, mercy, and truth of Yahavah.

So while I do not judge those who worship Jesus, I choose to honor his teachings and worship the Father as he instructed—through spirit and truth, with reverence for the mystery of divine unity.