The Mystery of Abraham's Works that do and don't Justify

[MatthewG]

Okay.
So help us to make sure we understand your argument.
Which definition of 'justified' are you referring to, #1, or #2?
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justify
tr.v. jus·ti·fied, jus·ti·fy·ing, jus·ti·fies
1. To demonstrate or prove to be just, right, or valid: justified each budgetary expense as necessary; anger that is justified by the circumstances.
2. To free (a human) of the guilt and penalty attached to grievous sin. Used of God.

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Amazing isn't it Ferris? It is because of Jesus's one time sacrifice on the cross that sin itself was taken care of right then and there the day that He died, and became the sacrifice for all not only the nation of Israel, but also Gentile nations too, which allows for a universal conclusion that the blood shed on the cross was indeed for all people for all sins being paid for in the Lord's Death, which now the believer goes into and die too with Christ in being baptized in his death, in which brings forth new life from the old former life, being justified by the life that Jesus Christ had lived on behalf of all the world. Which brings forth a person to look towards the things of God more and to learn more about the Lord and the things of the bible. To build a solid foundation based on the having the spirit with-in you being justified and by faith being made right with God according to Paul in Romans.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The willful sin here is rejecting Christ deliberately by rejecting His Sacrifice for sin.

You’re hallucinating Dan:

“For if we sin reject Christ wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, by rejecting His Sacrifice for sin there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Seek help in Christ so that you stop seeing these hallucinations in the text.

 

[mailmandan]

You hallucinating Dan:

“For if we sin reject Christ wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, by rejecting His Sacrifice for sin there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Seek help in Christ so that you stop seeing these hallucinations in the text.

It's your sinless perfection delusion that keeps you blinded from the truth. (1 John 1:8-10)

You need to confess your sins then repent and believe the gospel. (Romans 1:16; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4) Only then will the blinders be removed.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

It's your sinless perfection delusion that keeps you blinded from the truth. (1 John 1:8-10)

Not my doctrine.

For those who cannot stop sinning are these:

“Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray” (2 Peter 2:14-15)

So Dan, follow Paul’s inspired advice:

“what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial…?” (2 Corinthians 6:14-15)

You need to repent and believe the gospel. (Romans 1:16; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4) Only then will the blinders be removed.

I have repented and believed the gospel. That makes me born of God! And:

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin” (1 John 3:9)

 

[mailmandan]

Not my doctrine.

For those who cannot stop sinning are these:

“Having eyes full of adultery, and that cannot cease from sin; beguiling unstable souls: an heart they have exercised with covetous practices; cursed children: Which have forsaken the right way, and are gone astray” (2 Peter 2:14-15)

So Dan, follow Paul’s inspired advice:

“what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial…?” (2 Corinthians 6:14-15)

I have repented and believed the gospel. That makes me born of God! And:

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin” (1 John 3:9)

More typical eisegesis. 1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God practices sin.. (NASB)

In regards to your sinless perfection heresy: 1 John 1:8 - If we say that we have no sin, (present tense) we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, (past tense) we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

So you claim to have repented and believed the gospel? Why don't you explain to me exactly what YOU believe it means to repent and believe the gospel.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Why don't you explain to me exactly what YOU believe it means to repent and believe the gospel.

First explain this to me:

“what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” (2 Corinthians 6:14)

Dan?

 

[mailmandan]

First explain this to me:

“what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” (2 Corinthians 6:14)

Dan?

Why are you stalling to answer my question? The explanation to 2 Corinthians 6:14 is self explanatory. Righteousness and light is descriptive of children of God and unrighteousness and darkness is descriptive of children of the devil.

Acts 26:18 - to open their eyes, in order to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and an inheritance among those who are sanctified by faith in Me.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Righteousness and light is descriptive of children of God and unrighteousness and darkness is descriptive of children of the devil.

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin… In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil” (1 John 3:9-10)

A person who sins is a child of the Devil.

Why do you wish to throw a shade of grey where God only uses black and white?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Why don't you explain to me exactly what YOU believe it means to repent and believe the gospel.

Repent is to be in godly sorrow over the evil you have committed prior to salvation.

To believe is to accept as truth the plan of salvation as noted in the scriptures of truth.

 

[mailmandan]

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin… In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil” (1 John 3:9-10)

A person who sins is a child of the Devil.

Why do you wish to throw a shade of grey where God only uses black and white?

In regards to your biased interpretation of 1 John 3:9 see link below:

1 John 3 - Robertson's Word Pictures in the New Testament - Bible Commentaries - StudyLight.org

 

[mailmandan]

Repent is to be in godly sorrow over the evil you have committed prior to salvation.

To believe is to accept as truth the plan of salvation as noted in the scriptures of truth.

That's vague. Be more specific.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

see link below

Dan, that’s another man’s clever words to make scripture void.

“Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie” (Psalms 62:9)

“…let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings…” (Romans 3:4)

Because you are not justified in your sayings Dan.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

That's vague. Be more specific.

The specifics are in the Bible.

I believe all the specifics therein.

 

[mailmandan]

Dan, that’s another man’s clever words to make scripture void.

“Surely men of low degree are vanity, and men of high degree are a lie” (Psalms 62:9)

“…let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings…” (Romans 3:4)

Because you are not justified in your sayings Dan.

Proverbs 27:17 - As iron sharpens iron, so one person sharpens another. You obviously don't want to be sharpened and are only interested in exalting yourself and treating others with contempt.

 

[mailmandan]

The specifics are in the Bible.

I believe all the specifics therein.

You believe only what you want to believe. To repent means to "change your mind" and the new direction of this change of mind is faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. Two sides to the same coin. (Acts 3:19; 11:17,18; 20:21)

The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-SUFFICIENT means of our salvation.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

only interested in exalting yourself

I’m only interested in exalting the Holy Bible!

You believe only what you want to believe. To repent means to "change your mind"

I want to believe the Bible only!

And the definition of repent is this:

“no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course.” (Jeremiah 8:6)

To be ashamed of your former sinful lifestyle!

To "believe" the gospel is to trust in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-SUFFICIENT means of our salvation.

Sure. I believe that.

But you leave out all the conditions of this “ALL SUFFICIENT means of salvation” Dan.

 

[mailmandan]

I’m only interested in exalting the Holy Bible!

I want to believe the Bible only!

And the definition of repent is this:

“no man repented him of his wickedness, saying, What have I done? every one turned to his course.” (Jeremiah 8:6)

To be ashamed of your former sinful lifestyle!

Sure. I believe it that.

But you leave out all the conditions of this “ALL SUFFICIENT means of salvation” Dan.

You "add" works and sinless perfection to the gospel. (Galattiams 1:6-9)

BTW repent does mean a "change of mind."

Strong's Greek: 3341. μετάνοια (metanoia) -- change of mind, repentance

 

[Michiah-Imla]

BTW repent does mean a "change of mind."

Strong's Greek: 3341. μετάνοια (metanoia) -- change of mind, repentance

Dan,

LISTEN TO WHAT THE BIBLE TELLS YOU WHAT BIBLE WORDS MEAN, NOT CORRUPTED REFERENCE BOOKS WRITTEN BY HERETICS.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

You "add" works and sinless perfection to the gospel. (Galattiams 1:6-9)

When did I tell you to observe holy days on a calendar and to get circumcised Dan?

“Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.” (Galatians 4:10)

“Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.” (Galatians 5:2)

Learn how to rightly divide the word Dan.

 

[mailmandan]

Dan,

LISTEN TO WHAT THE BIBLE TELLS YOU WHAT BIBLE WORDS MEAN, NOT CORRUPTED REFERENCE BOOKS WRITTEN BY HERETICS.

Yes, we know. Everyone other than you is a heretic.