The Cross of Jesus is no man's gift

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If Jesus did not die on the cross, we would all be doomed.
Christ dying on the cross is one aspect of how Jesus was accomplishing salvation for mankind in order to offer mankind the free gift of salvation (if they so choose to accept it).

The cross is a part of the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
This message is that we must believe that Christ died for our sins, he was buried, and He was risen the third day according to the Scriptures. Believing this is a part of our salvation.

1 Corinthians 1:17-18 says,
“For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.”

Yes, we must also LIVE by faith after we are saved by God’s grace. By faith, Noah prepared an ark to the saving of his house. That is a description of the faith, as well. By faith Noah did not sit on his hands and do nothing before the flood came. The faith he manifested was obedience to God in building the Ark. But while faith can include our obedience in action, faith can also be a belief alone, as well.

“Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Hebrews 11:3).

 

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John 3:14-15
“And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.”

What happened with those who looked upon the serpent in the wilderness? What did they do? They simply were to look and be saved.
Granted, I believe Jesus was trying to let others know that they can be saved by Jesus by looking to Him. But Jesus also told men to obey Him, as well. They would have seen Jesus telling others to be obedient, as well. But I believe that the Lord Jesus wants us to first be saved by His grace (just like the tax collector was saved in Luke 18:9-14). But after that, we need to then let God’s grace teach us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).

 

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If Jesus did not die on the cross, we would all be doomed.
Christ dying on the cross is one aspect of how Jesus was accomplishing salvation for mankind in order to offer mankind the free gift of salvation (if they so choose to accept it).

The cross is a part of the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
This message is that we must believe that Christ died for our sins, he was buried, and He was risen the third day according to the Scriptures. Believing this is a part of our salvation.

1 Corinthians 1:17-18 says,
“For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.”

Yes, we must also LIVE by faith after we are saved by God’s grace. By faith, Noah prepared an ark to the saving of his house. That is a description of the faith, as well. By faith Noah did not sit on his hands and do nothing before the flood came. The faith he manifested was obedience to God in building the Ark. But while faith can include our obedience in action, faith can also be a belief alone, as well.

“Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.” (Hebrews 11:3).

The cross by itself is nothing but a curse waiting to happen, even as faith alone is dead.

Jesus died on the cross for forgiveness of past sins and reconciliation with God, and we must die on our own cross to repent of sinning and live in newness of life with Christ Jesus.

The error of speaking of the cross somehow saves and justifies us, is the same error of naming the name of Jesus somehow saves and justifies us.

The work of a cross by itself is nothing. God's work through Jesus dying on His cross, and we dying on our cross is everything. Hypocrites speak of 'the work of the cross' alone, without any of their own work being done on it.

 

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The cross by itself is nothing but a curse waiting to happen, even as faith alone is dead.

Jesus died on the cross for forgiveness of past sins and reconciliation with God, and we must die on our own cross to repent of sinning and live in newness of life with Christ Jesus.

The error of speaking of the cross somehow saves and justifies us, is the same error of naming the name of Jesus somehow saves and justifies us.

The work of a cross by itself is nothing. God's work through Jesus dying on His cross, and we dying on our cross is everything. Hypocrites speak of 'the work of the cross' alone, without any of their own work being done on it.

Paul says, “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” (1 Corinthians 1:18).

So then what do you make of this verse?

Does your interpretation fit the context?
I would encourage you to read the whole chapter.

In fact, Paul says in context, “But we preach Christ crucified,”. (1 Corinthians 1:23).

So how do you explain these words in Scripture in light of what you said?

In addition, what do you make of this following verse?

1 Peter 3:18
“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:”

What do you make of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4?

 

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I believe James 2:24 is referring to what happens after we are saved initially by God’s grace because that’s the context.
James 1, and James 2 is not referring to what happens in our Initial Salvation. So we cannot make that apply to the same thing Paul was talking about in Ephesians 2:8-9 (When Paul was talking about Initial Salvation - Ephesians 2:1).
So James 2:17, and James 2:24 are referring to our faith being lived out (i.e. later in our faith and these verses are not referring to Initial Salvation by simply looking at the context). The context would be reading the chapter and in some cases the proceeding chapters (to see what is going on).

Faith starts off as a belief alone, but it does not remain that way. Believers who live out their faith are to enter the Sanctification of the Spirit and live a holy life as a part of salvation (2 Thessalonians 2:13). But that does not negate one first being saved by God’s grace through faith without works. Works of faith come later as a part of our living out the faith.

 

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My encouragement is for you to pray and read the whole chapter when discussing certain verses.
Ask yourself: Is my interpretation on a verse fitting what the context says?
Be honest and be willing to admit a mistake when wrong.
I have been wrong before on Scripture and I will admit that openly. I am not perfect, but I do strive to make it habit to read the chapter when an extremely important verse is put forth to me that is dealing with the faith or our salvation.

 

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Paul says, “For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.” (1 Corinthians 1:18).

So then what do you make of this verse?

Does your interpretation fit the context?
I would encourage you to read the whole chapter.

In fact, Paul says in context, “But we preach Christ crucified,”. (1 Corinthians 1:23).

So how do you explain these words in Scripture in light of what you said?

In addition, what do you make of this following verse?

1 Peter 3:18
“For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:”

What do you make of 1 Corinthians 15:1-4?

It's a rebuke to them who speak of salvation as being gifted by a cross. A cross and beam or tree is nothing of itself, if not used for it's purpose: to put to death a person, and it's not a gift to any man.

The gift of faith that saves, is the faith of Jesus that He had while dying on that cross, that men would believe Him and be forgiven of sins and be saved. The gospel of the cross therefore is the that of Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Likewise, if we do not crucify our old man on our own cross, then the death of Jesus is made of none of effect to us.

No one is denying the necessary death of Jesus on His cross for our sakes, but some Christians are decieved into thinking because that cross merely existed, they are therefore gifted with enteral life forever, without any part to do for themselves. They even say that the world itself was forgiven of it's sins, just because the man Jesus died on a cross at that time.

A cross by itself is nothing, and Jesus' death on a cross is of none effect for them, who do not take up their own cross for His sake.

That's about as plain as I can make it. If you don't see the point, then no problem.

 

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It's a rebuke to them who speak of salvation as being gifted by a cross. A cross and beam or tree is nothing of itself, if not used for it's purpose: to put to death a person, and it's not a gift to any man.

The gift of faith that saves, is the faith of Jesus that He had while dying on that cross, that men would believe Him and be forgiven of sins and be saved. The gospel of the cross therefore is the that of Jesus Christ and Him crucified.

Likewise, if we do not crucify our old man on our own cross, then the death of Jesus is made of none of effect to us.

No one is denying the necessary death of Jesus on His cross for our sakes, but some Christians are decieved into thinking because that cross merely existed, they are therefore gifted with enteral life forever, without any part to do for themselves. They even say that the world itself was forgiven of it's sins, just because the man Jesus died on a cross at that time.

A cross by itself is nothing, and Jesus' death on a cross is of none effect for them, who do not take up their own cross for His sake.

That's about as plain as I can make it. If you don't see the point, then no problem.

I believe we must deny ourselves and pick up our cross as a part of the faith. If we don’t do that, we will not make it if we live out our faith.
We agree on the secondary aspect of salvation.

But you don’t appear to agree that there is an initial aspect of salvation whereby we are saved by God’s grace through faith without works.
What your suggesting is that the thief on the cross was not saved and or that nobody can be saved by believing in the name of the Son of God on their deathbed and be saved (See: John 1:12). I reject your denial of being saved Initially by God’s grace without works or that we are to believe in Jesus for salvation. The gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 makes this fact also clear. It says to believe a certain set of facts as a part of salvation.

Your foundation appears to be all works and there is no grace or rest ever in our faith at any point. But if it be of works (Works Alone) it is no more grace (See: Romans 11:6). This is just as equally troublesome and it runs into the wrong extreme that Free Gracers (who justify sin) accuse us of.

 

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I believe we must deny ourselves and pick up our cross as a part of the faith. If we don’t do that, we will not make it if we live out our faith.
We agree on the secondary aspect of salvation.

But you don’t appear to agree that there is an initial aspect of salvation whereby we are saved by God’s grace through faith without works.
What your suggesting is that the thief on the cross was not saved and or that nobody can be saved by believing in the name of the Son of God on their deathbed and be saved (See: John 1:12). I reject your denial of being saved Initially by God’s grace without works or that we are to believe in Jesus for salvation. The gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 makes this fact also clear. It says to believe a certain set of facts as a part of salvation.

Your foundation appears to be all works and there is no grace or rest ever in our faith at any point. But if it be of works (Works Alone) it is no more grace (See: Romans 11:6). This is just as equally troublesome and it runs into the wrong extreme that Free Gracers (who justify sin) accuse us of.

Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

This says to me, that any faith that is without works, is lone and dead. And so there is no time at all where the living faith of God is alone without works.

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

This says to me therefore, that any faith that is alone, being without works, is not the living faith of Jesus that saves us.

What say you. If we do not agree here on simple reading of Scripture, then there is no point to go on to other Scriptures.

I read all other Scripture in light of this simple truth of Scripture in James 2, so that I know Ephesians 2 cannot be speaking of any faith alone that saves, but must be speaking only of that living faith with works, that saves and justifies a man.

 

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Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone. This says to me, that any faith that is without works, is lone and dead. And so there is no time at all where the living faith of God is alone without works.

Read the context.
James is not talking in context to Initial Salvation. Neither is James stating a universal truth that applies to all points in time.
We know this because the thief on the cross was saved without works.
We know this because in Luke 18:9-14, the Tax Collector was more justified by crying out to God for mercy in being a sinner (i.e. by his admitting his condition in needing God’s grace, but yet he was willing to change), vs. the Pharisee who thanked God he was not like the Tax Collector and who boasted in his own good works. So the problem is that the Pharisee was not recognizing God’s grace.

Grace gives us the ability to do the work (1 Corinthians 15:10).
God’s grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12).

What’s an example of this in Scripture?
Well, why did the one woman keep continually kissing Jesus’ feet?
It’s because she was forgiven much. He that has been forgiven much… loves much. He that has been forgiven little… loves little (Please read: Luke 7:36-50).

What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

James’ whole point in context was about how those Christians he was writing to were showing favor to the rich brethren and not the poor brethren. James is not referring also to how when they first got saved.

This says to me therefore, that any faith that is alone, being without works, is not the living faith of Jesus that saves us.

What say you. If we do not agree here on simple reading of Scripture, then there is no point to go on to other Scriptures.

Then you believe God creates evil (in our modern understanding of that word) in Isaiah 45:7?
Granted, I know you probably don’t believe that, but the point here is that we cannot isolate verses at the expense of others.

Note: There are Christians who do believe that God directly creates evil, etcetera. This is wrong (of course).

I read all other Scripture in light of this simple truth of Scripture in James 2, so that I know Ephesians 2 cannot be speaking of any faith alone that saves, but must be speaking only of that living faith with works, that saves and justifies a man.

This sounds like you are ignoring Ephesians 2:8-9 at the expense of James 2:24 and James 2:17.
There are groups who deny the words of Paul. They are called Ebionites because they thought Paul was teaching lawlessness under God’s grace when such is not the case. Paul is referring to our INITIAL Salvation in Ephesians 2:8-9. We are INITIALLY saved by God’s grace without works. It is the gift of God. Paul says in Romans 11:6 that if it is works it is no more of grace and if it is grace then it is no more works (Works Alone). Your belief ignores that we are saved by God’s grace without works. You really do not have a proper explanation involving Scripture that makes real sense out of what Paul says in Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, Romans 11:6, etcetera.

 

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Protestants are guilty of doing this with Ephesians 2:8-9. They believe Paul to the wrong extreme (beyond what Paul meant) at the expense of James 2:24. They do this because they want to justify some level of lawlessness or in sinning under God’s grace. But I also see another equally problematic thing in that a person can also equally do the same thing with James 2:24 and run to the wrong opposite extreme (beyond what James meant). A person can believe James 2:24 at the expense of Ephesians 2:8-9 because they want to boast in themselves and not in God’s grace. They make it all about themselves and their work when it is God. Grace is the opposite of boasting in that when we first come to the Lord by His grace, we cannot claim we did anything major to merit our salvation. So we are saved by God’s grace without works by faith (in our Initial Salvation). If you read Paul, and you have the mindset of what is going on in Acts 15 with them fighting against the heresy of Circumcision Salvationism (i.e. the belief that said you had to first be circumcised to be saved - which is a work of the 613 laws of Moses), then you begin to understand the motivation behind why Paul speaks negatively of works and the Law (i.e. the laws of Moses or the Old Law). If you look at the context of Ephesians 2:8-9, Titus 3:5, etcetera, they are in reference also to how a person first gets saved INITIALLY, as well. Many people ignore this fact in Scripture for their own ends. We have to rightly divide. Paul and James do not contradict each other on the topic of faith and salvation. The issue of course of the difference between understanding Paul and James is in regards to time. We are not saved by Works ALONE (otherwise grace is no more grace - Romans 11:6).

 

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And our cross we take up and bear is not a gift given to us,

The Cross is the "GIFT of Salvation", which is "the Gift of Righteousness".

 

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I believe James 2:24 is referring to what happens after we are saved initially by God’s grace because that’s the context.
James 1, and James 2 is not referring to what happens in our Initial Salvation. So we cannot make that apply to the same thing Paul was talking about in Ephesians 2:8-9 (When Paul was talking about Initial Salvation - Ephesians 2:1).
So James 2:17, and James 2:24 are referring to our faith being lived out (i.e. later in our faith and these verses are not referring to Initial Salvation by simply looking at the context). The context would be reading the chapter and in some cases the proceeding chapters (to see what is going on).

Faith starts off as a belief alone, but it does not remain that way. Believers who live out their faith are to enter the Sanctification of the Spirit and live a holy life as a part of salvation (2 Thessalonians 2:13). But that does not negate one first being saved by God’s grace through faith without works. Works of faith come later as a part of our living out the faith.

I've heard this initial salvation theory from Christians that say they are not OSAS; however, I say it is the cornerstone of OSAS.

Do you agree with this statement: Initial salvation by faith alone without works, is an unconditional everlasting salvation standing before, apart, and independent of any works that may follow, whether good or evil?

And secondly do you agree with this statement: Those who have initial salvation by faith alone, continue as initially saved, justified, and forgiven, if and while doing an evil work of the flesh. They have no need of godly sorrow confession unto forgiveness and reconciliation with Christ?

I.e. Initially saved Christians that do good works, are not condemned with the world, if and while they are doing any sinful work of the flesh like the world?

Is any soul still initially saved and born of God, while committing a devilish act of the flesh, whether adultery, drunkenness, righteous brawling, robbery, vile cursing, etc..., no matter how many good works they have otherwise produced?

 

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I've heard this initial salvation theory from Christians that say they are not OSAS; however, I say it is the cornerstone of OSAS.

My belief actually has an official theological term in Christian circles. It’s called “Initial Salvation and Final Salvation” (Although I have a different label for it and I have known about this truth before learning of the official theological term of it).

#1. Initial Salvation is being saved by God’s grace without works through faith (When we first come to God seeking to be saved).
#2. Final Salvation is simply those who die physically in a righteous state or are in such a spiritual state when the Lord returns. We have to reach a point in our walk with God whereby if we die, we have to be living righteously (if not, we are not going to enter the Kingdom of God).

The only self professing Christians I know who use the term, “Initial Salvation and Final Salvation” are…

#1. Dan Corner (of EvangelicalOutReach.org).
While I agree with his view of sin and salvation for the most part, Dan could be a little more loving in his correction of false teachers. I have contacted him before by email but it was kind of difficult to just build a connection in Christ. This is not to say that he is not doing the Lord’s work. It just means he is not as open to normal fellowship than I would have liked.
#2. Alan Manson (of MyGospel.info).
I have talked him by email back forth (using book length replies by each of us).
Mr. Manson unfortunately has an odd view of being born again. He thinks one is born again sometime after one is initially saved. He also believes in the Pre-existence of the saints in Heaven (before they are physically born upon this earth). While I was willing to agree to disagree to have fellowship with him, he appeared to simply make me an enemy and or claim there is a spiritual wall between us because I don’t accept these odd beliefs by him. He appears to be extremely controlling and overly critical to the point whereby we cannot just love each other as Christians. So while he may promote Initial Salvation and Final Salvation, he is not a loving Christian that I was hoping to have fellowship with. In fact, I would avoid him seeing he is extremely critical if you disagree with him on anything he says.
#3. John Piper (of DesiringGod.org)
He is a Calvinist, and I am strongly against Calvinism because it seeks to attack God’s good character among other problems. He is a celebrity Christian and he is into Calvinism. So I have no interest of every really connecting with him.
#4. Alan Ballou (of HowToStopSinning.org).
He does not accept the Godhead or Trinity.

Update:

I had to remove these videos from Alan Ballou (that I posted before).

While I liked Alan Ballou’s videos before on Sanctification and putting away sin and they were really helpful, the problem is he is a false accuser of the brethren. In the YouTube comment section in this video here, Alan Ballou falsely accused me of several things that I are not actually true. I said that while I agreed with his viewpoint on how there are two aspects of salvation, I told him that I disagree with his view on “obeying the gospel.” I told him “obeying the gospel“ is defined for us in Romans 10 in that it is believing the gospel message. He also implied there was no free will when we come to the Lord (Which is Calvinism), and he used John 6 as an example. I explained to him why this is not Calvinism and instead of disagreeing in love and respect, he started to falsely accuse me (as if I had teachers, and I went to bible college - when that is not the case). I tried to tell him in love that he was falsely accusing me here, and he never replied back. You can see the conversation under the same username I use here (Bible Highlighter) with there being 16 replies to my comment to him. I refuse to watch somebody who falsely accuses other Christians

Do you agree with this statement: Initial salvation by faith alone without works, is an unconditional everlasting salvation standing before, apart, and independent of any works that may follow, whether good or evil?

No.

And secondly do you agree with this statement: Those who have initial salvation by faith alone, continue as initially saved, justified, and forgiven, if and while doing an evil work of the flesh. They have no need of godly sorrow confession unto forgiveness and reconciliation with Christ?

No. No sin can be justified. There are believers today who think they can sin and still be saved on some level by having a belief alone on Jesus. Some think you can commit suicide and be saved. Others think you can take the mark of the beast and be saved. Others believe that while a believer is generally characterized as living holy, they can potentially go prodigal into a lifestyle of sin and be saved. Some say you don’t have to keep God’s laws to be saved and that you will just automatically keep them (in every instance) but then they turn around and double speak by saying that 1 John 1:8 means they will always sin this side of Heaven.

I.e. Initially saved Christians that do good works, are not condemned with the world, if and while they are doing any sinful work of the flesh like the world?

No. Grace reigns through righteousness (Romans 5:21).
Paul says shall we continue in sin so that grace may abound?
Paul’s answer to that was… God forbid (Romans 6:1-2).

Is any soul still initially saved and born of God, while committing a devilish act of the flesh, whether adultery, drunkenness, righteous brawling, robbery, vile cursing, etc..., no matter how many good works they have otherwise produced?

No. God’s grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live righteously and godly in this present world (Titus 2:11-12). Being initially saved is when a person is not seeking to justify sin but they are willing to turn from their old life and they want to serve the Lord. Generally, a believer who has been saved by God’s grace will naturally do this. The woman who could not stop kissing Jesus’ feet is an example of a person who is being saved by God’s grace (i.e. receiving the Lord’s forgiveness) led her to continually kissing Jesus’ feet. So while in some cases the good works we do is manifested naturally by our faith, I don’t see this as always being the case. The Parable of the Talents, and Titus 3:14 does not appear that faith will always just automatically lead to works in every occurrence throughout our whole life. We have to decide to cooperate with the good work the Lord desires to do through us. I say this because in Revelation 3, the Lord did not find the works of the Sardis church as being perfect before God, and he tells them that they have a name that they live, but they actually are dead (i.e. dead spiritually).

 

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The cross is a part of the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
Yes, we must also LIVE by faith after we are saved by God’s grace.

The Cross is not a "part" of the Gospel message, it is THE Gospel message.
"The Preaching of the Cross is the power of God, unto Salvation"..

So whatever cult teaches you all your Cross attacking Theology.... you should leave it, bibleHighligher.

Also, we are made alive by GOD, as born again, IS the Grace of God that has regenerated our Spirit as a New Creation in Christ.
Its because we gave GOD our faith that He accepted, is why we become a Son/Daughter of GOD, .. not because we hold unto it.

THe Gospel is not..>"if you hold unto your faith"..... The Gospel is..>"All that BELIEVE" I will give unto you.. John 3:16
And That is SALVATION that is Given as SOON as you believe, as PROVEN by being born again..instantly.

So, your teaching on the Cross is deceived, and insults it, because you do not give Jesus Credit.......you instead try to rob the credit by changing the Cross into...."if you do this"... "if you hold unto that'. "works, works, the false gospel of works'.

Your LEGALISM insults the Cross, and denies it, BibleHighlighter.

 

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To all:

Here is the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
“Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:”

So according to this above verse, the gospel believers receive and stand on is….

#1. Believing Christ died for our sins (according to the Scriptures).
#2. Believing He (Christ) was buried.
#3. Believing He (Christ) rose again the third day (according to the Scriptures).

There are three different things describe in our believing this gospel message above. So yes. The cross (i.e. believing that Christ died for our sins upon the cross) is one aspect of part of our believing the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

 

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To all:
Here is the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

The Cross of Christ is where God forgives the sin of man and replaces it with the Grace of God as "The gift of Righteousness" and "The gift of Salvation"
You do not teach that Salvation is a completed GIFT, unearned.
You teach that Salvation is a partial redemption, that is only going to exist for as long as you hold onto faith or do good works, etc. = Legalism.
And you'll do it again, claiming you are teaching the Gospel.

2 Corinthians 11:15

 

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I've heard this initial salvation theory from Christians that say they are not OSAS; however, I say it is the cornerstone of OSAS.

Do you agree with this statement: Initial salvation by faith alone without works, is an unconditional everlasting salvation standing before, apart, and independent of any works that may follow, whether good or evil?

And secondly do you agree with this statement: Those who have initial salvation by faith alone, continue as initially saved, justified, and forgiven, if and while doing an evil work of the flesh. They have no need of godly sorrow confession unto forgiveness and reconciliation with Christ?

I.e. Initially saved Christians that do good works, are not condemned with the world, if and while they are doing any sinful work of the flesh like the world?

Is any soul still initially saved and born of God, while committing a devilish act of the flesh, whether adultery, drunkenness, righteous brawling, robbery, vile cursing, etc..., no matter how many good works they have otherwise produced?

I am amazed at you people who reject the promises of God

When God said you will never die. He means it
When he says you HAVE eternal life. he means it
When he says you have been given all things unf=dear heaven, he means it
When he says he has not given you a spirit of fear but of sound mind, he means it
When he says comes and he will give you rest. He means it
When he says he gives you the spirit as a pledge until the day of redemption he means it.

You workers will get a rude awakening When jesus rejects all your works as payment for sin

 

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To all:

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 is the gospel.
But 2 Thessalonians 2:14 says there is a call of the gospel.
So the gospel calls us.
What is this call of the gospel?
2 Thessalonians 2:13 gives us this call.
2 Thessalonians 2:13 says God has chosen you to salvation through the Sanctification of the Spirit and a belief of the truth.
Romans 8:13 says, “if you put to death the misdeeds of the body by the Spirit, you will live.
Galatians 6:8-9 says, For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting. And let us not be weary in well doing: for in due season we shall reap, if we faint not.” Not sure if you caught that. If you sow to the Spirit, you will reap life everlasting (Galatians 6:8). This sowing to the Spirit is defined in verse 9 (Galatians 6:9). This sowing to the Spirit is “well doing” (doing good). It says we will reap if we faint not (in welling doing or sowing to the Spirit).

So while we are saved by receiving the gospel message by faith in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, we also have to answer the call of the gospel that is mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 because it is also a part of our salvation.

 

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So while we are saved by receiving the gospel message by faith in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, we also have to answer the call of the gospel that is mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:13-14 because it is also a part of our salvation.

The Cross is the "call".......'"Jesus said if i be LIFTED UP, (on the Cross), I will DRAW, (by my Holy Spirit) all to me"". John 3:16

The FAITH, that we give to Christ, in Him, is "our part".

God takes it from there as its HIS Salvation we RECEIVE.

Philippians 1:6