22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[Truth7t7]

Debunked again.

I didn't ask for your opinion.

I asked you to identify the grammatical antecedent of "he". You haven't.

You're still afraid.

Afraid of "he".

You have already openly claimed Jesus Christ is the "he" your claim is "False"

Jesus doesn't make abomination or desolation as you have claimed, you can claim grammar antecedent all you want, the sky is blue and grass is green

 

[WPM]

Your claim is 100% "False"

Jesus Christ isnt the "he" as you falsely claim, Jesus doesn't make abomination or desolation, your claims are silenced, it's that simple

"He Shall Make It Desolate" and the "he" isn't Jesus Christ making desolation as you falsely claim

More "Preterist" reformed eschatology blunder

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Daniel 11:31KJV
31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

You cannot answer scriptural refutals. All you can do is cut-and-paste from yours teachers. You duck around every response.

 

[WPM]

That what you mention in 2 Peter 3:10-12 is "The Consummation"

Your claim this "Consummation" seen in Daniel 9:27 below was fulfilled in 66-70AD Jerusalem is a farce and you know it

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

1. What event will/did "finish the transgression"?
2. What event will/did "make an end of sins"?
3. What event will/did "make reconciliation for iniquity"?
4. What event will/did "bring in everlasting righteousness"?
5. What event will/did "seal up the vision and prophecy"?
6. What event will/did "anoint the most Holy”?

 

[covenantee]

You have already openly claimed Jesus Christ is the "he" your claim is "False"

Jesus doesn't make abomination or desolation as you have claimed, you can claim grammar antecedent all you want, the sky is blue and grass is green

Debunked again.

Do you think that there are grammatical antecedents in Scripture?

Or do you think that grammatical antecedents are of the devil?

Afraid of "he".

 

[The Light]

Debunked again.

Extremely funny. Did you go for a couple of single twin beds?

 

[covenantee]

Extremely funny. Did you go for a couple of single twin beds?

He who is debunked lands on the floor.

 

[Truth7t7]

1. What event will/did "finish the transgression"?
2. What event will/did "make an end of sins"?
3. What event will/did "make reconciliation for iniquity"?
4. What event will/did "bring in everlasting righteousness"?
5. What event will/did "seal up the vision and prophecy"?
6. What event will/did "anoint the most Holy”?

It's WPM that runs from "The Consummation" seen in Daniel 9:27, because it destroys your preterist 66-70AD claims of Daniel's AOD fulfillment

The scripture doesn't change, will the bad guy be present on earth until the future consummation 100% "YES"!!!

It surely didn't take place in your preterist reformed eschatology 66-70AD that you promote and claim, it's a future event unfulfilled, it's that simple, read it again and again

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[The Light]

He who is debunked lands on the floor.

From what I've seen removing bunk beds and going with twins is about the only debunking you will experience.

 

[covenantee]

From what I've seen removing bunk beds and going with twins is about the only debunking you will experience.

No one has yet debunked the grammatical antecedent of the "he's" in Daniel 9:27 as Messiah the Prince in Daniel 9:26 and Daniel 9:25.

 

[covenantee]

It's WPM that runs from "The Consummation" seen in Daniel 9:27, because it destroys your preterist 66-70AD claims of Daniel's AOD fulfillment

The scripture doesn't change, will the bad guy be present on earth until the future consummation 100% "YES"!!!

It surely didn't take place in your preterist reformed eschatology in 66-70AD that you promote and claim, it's a future event unfulfilled, it's that simple, read it again and again

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Afraid of "he".

 

[Truth7t7]

No one has yet debunked the grammatical antecedent of the "he's" in Daniel 9:27 as Messiah the Prince in Daniel 9:26 and Daniel 9:25.

Your living in a fantasy world, Jesus Christ isn't the "he" making abomination and desolation, even until the consummation, as you claim

The scripture doesn't change, will the bad guy be present on earth until the future consummation 100% "YES"!!!

It surely didn't take place in your preterist reformed eschatology in 66-70AD that you promote and claim, it's a future event unfulfilled, it's that simple, read it again and again

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[covenantee]

Your living in a fantasy world, Jesus Christ isn't the "he" making abomination and desolation, even until the consummation as you claim

Afraid of "he".

 

[covenantee]

Your living in a fantasy world, Jesus Christ isn't the "he" making abomination and desolation, even until the consummation, as you claim

Debunked again.

Matthew 23:38
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Who caused the desolation?

 

[dad]

No millennium mentioned here. You need to force it into the text. Premils have to do that with countless Scriptures. It is called adding unto Scripture, something forbidden by the Holy Ghost.

He will rule for 1000 years. He will start to rule after He returns. Yep.

 

[dad]

I'm not claiming that is now. But, you need to read that more carefully. It's talking about when the Father begins to reign. When it says "our Lord" there, it's referring to the Father and then it says "and of his Christ". For now, the Father has given all authority to His Son, as Jesus Himself indicated here:

Same thing, they are one. So when Jesus returns all kingdoms become His, and of course the Father's also. There is no separate time for the rule to start!

When Jesus returns, He will then hand over the kingdom to God the Father and the Father will reign forever from that point on with His Son by His side.

No He won't. There will still be rebels 1000 years later. Once all is finished, after the millennium then we have the new heavens and
earth.

That is not when His feet stand on the mount of Olives. Not at all.

So, Jesus reigns now, as scripture clearly teaches, and then, when He returns He will hand over the kingdom to God the Father and then the Father will reign over the new heavens and new earth with His Son by His side forever.

False. No He does not rule the kingdoms of the world now. Nor do we yet reign with Him.

There's another thing you should note about what will happen after the seventh trumpet sounds. It indicates that at the seventh trumpet it will be when "the time has come for judging the dead".

Right, that comes in stages. Some By Jesus when He returns and of course the final great white throne judgment at the end of the 1000 years. You conflate it all together.

Revelation 11:18 The nations were angry, and your wrath has come. The time has come for judging the dead, and for rewarding your servants the prophets and your people who revere your name, both great and small—and for destroying those who destroy the earth.”

Right that is when He returns, some of the dead. The rest of the dead, not until the 1000 years are done.

 

[Truth7t7]

Debunked again.

Matthew 23:38
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Who caused the desolation?

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Revelation 17:11-16KJV
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

 

[covenantee]

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Revelation 17:11-16KJV
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

Matthew 23:38
Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Jesus was mistaken or lying?

 

[covenantee]

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Revelation 17:11-16KJV
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.
15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.
16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.

You've been afraid to quote Daniel 9:25-26, so I've helped you along.

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

he = Messiah the Prince

 

[CadyandZoe]

Because the Old Testament prophets were located under the shadow, symbol, and type they often described future events in familiar terms that they and the reader could properly understand or relate to. Significantly, the New Testament writers spiritualized various key Old Testament prophecies relating to Israel and applied them to the New Testament Church.

This is not true. Amillennialists spiritualized the OT in order to teach an erroneous doctrine. Any time a group of people "spiritualize" the scriptures or teach that Scripture has a secret meaning that only they know, this is a clear sign of cult mentality at work.

 

[CadyandZoe]

Hello! 1 Thessalonians 5:1-7 and 2 Peter 3:3-13 are talking about what happens at the coming of Christ, not some imaginary time 1000+ years after the second coming.

These passages are not only talking about the Second Advent, they are talking about the day of the Lord, which is an era of time not a single day.

What they describe is sudden. It is climactic.

The day of the Lord is only sudden for some, which means that it isn't climactic. Peter is talking about the Eschaton, which comes at the very end of the Day of the Lord as we see in Revelation 20.

There are two distinct groups who experience two completely different outcomes when Jesus comes. The fact is: there has only ever been two types of people upon the earth. Why would you be shocked that their expectation and experience are diametrically diverse? I am not sure why you would think that that in any way proves Premil. It doesn't.

I didn't claim it proved Premillennialism. I maintain that a diversity of outcomes disproves your claim that the DOL is climactic. It isn't.