22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[covenantee]

Well if you are paying attention I have so far dismantled everything Bro Chris has brought forward. And I suspect that will continue. He seems to have a habit of disagreeing with the written Word of God. Bad habbit.

You've dismantled nothing. The historic true Christian witness and Chris's defense thereof stand firm.

 

[WPM]

You've dismantled nothing. The historic true Christian witness and Chris's defense thereof stand firm.

Yes! Excellent! Well put!

 

[CadyandZoe]

No. The opposite is the truth. You have learned to duck around the multiple contradictions with Premil.

There are no contradictions with Premil. Rather, Premillennialism has contradictions with Amillennialism, which was a kluge eschatology in the first place. Now that Israel is back on the land, Amillennialism is no longer necessary.

 

[The Light]

You've dismantled nothing. The historic true Christian witness and Chris's defense thereof stand firm.

LOL. Every point he has made has been destroyed by the Word of God. Among other things that have be dealt with he tries to claim that Passover is on the 15th of Nisan therefore Christ could not have died on April 3, AD 33. And yet the Word of God says:

Leviticus 23
5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.

How could anyone expect to challenge the written Word of God. Lots of blindness and lack of understanding around here. Blind following the blind.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I think I posted on this thread a while ago and no longer get notifications.

But the OP gave 22 reasons why one should not believe in premillenialism. I will give only one why you should! Its biblical!

It is the conclusion one draws when reading t the bible as written, and recognizing when symbolic language is used! IOW a normal reading like one would read any othr communicaiton (though prayerfully of course) and expecting God to say what He means except when symbolic language is used.


Even then He means what He says, but uses symbols which are defined in His Word. God doesn't trust our "spiritual revelations" "hairs standing ont eh back of our heads" to understand when He speaks symbolically.

 

[covenantee]

LOL. Every point he has made has been destroyed by the Word of God. Among other things that have be dealt with he tries to claim that Passover is on the 15th of Nisan therefore Christ could not have died on April 3, AD 33. And yet the Word of God says:

Leviticus 23
5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.

How could anyone expect to challenge the written Word of God. Lots of blindness and lack of understanding around here. Blind following the blind.

What crucifixion year does dispensationalism's decapitated 70th week require?

AD 30
or
AD 33
?

 

[Truth7t7]

You've been afraid to quote Daniel 9:25-26, so I've helped you along.

Daniel 9
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

he = Messiah the Prince

Messiah the Prince = Jesus Christ, Deity Capital "M" & "P"

"he" is not Messiah the Prince as you falsely claim

 

[covenantee]

Messiah the Prince = Jesus Christ, Deity Capital "P"

Jesus Christ, Deity, lower case "p"

Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.

 

[covenantee]

"he" is not Messiah the Prince as you falsely claim

"he" is Messiah the Prince.

You think that grammatical antecedents are of the devil.

Scripture doesn't.

"he" is not antichrist as you blasphemously claim.

 

[Truth7t7]

Jesus Christ, Deity, lower case "p"

Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.

Sorry pal, the "prince" lower case isn't Jesus Christ, as you falsely claim Jesus is the "he" (Wrong)

Jesus Christ doesn't make abomination and desolation as your "he" does

If there was ever a person "Forcing" something into scripture not seen, you win the prize

 

[Keraz]

The day of the Lord is only sudden for some, which means that it isn't climactic. Peter is talking about the Eschaton, which comes at the very end of the Day of the Lord as we see in Revelation 20.

Confusing the great and terrible day of the Lords vengeance and wrath, with the Millennium is a mistake.
These Prophesies confirm that the DoL will be a single day event. Isaiah 9:14, Isaiah 29:5-8, Zechariah 3:9, Revelation 18:8

 

[WPM]

There are no contradictions with Premil. Rather, Premillennialism has contradictions with Amillennialism, which was a kluge eschatology in the first place. Now that Israel is back on the land, Amillennialism is no longer necessary.

Really?

1. Have ethnic Israelis come back to Palestine in obedience to God?
2. Have they taken their ancient boundaries?
3. is there anywhere in the New Testament that teaches that Israel will take back their ancient boundaries?
4. Does Israel embrace Jesus Christ today?
5. Is Israel a theocracy today?

 

[Truth7t7]

But the OP gave 22 reasons why one should not believe in premillenialism. I will give only one why you should! Its biblical!

A literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth is a fabricated fairy tale of man, found no place in scripture

 

[Truth7t7]

Peter isn't asking us to focus on the destruction of this age; he is asking us to place our focus on the next age.

Peter is clearly explaining that the day of the Lord is fire time (The End), you divert from this fact of scripture to maintain your belief and teaching, it's that simple

Your claim that this day of the Lord is seen over a long period of time in stages, is way out in left field, found no place in scripture

Jesus Is The Lord

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[covenantee]

Jesus Christ, Deity, lower case "p"

Revelation 1:5
And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood.

Sorry pal, the "prince" lower case isn't Jesus Christ

Did you flunk kindergarten English?

Who is He?

Revelation 1:5 from the original 1611 KJV:

And from Iesus Christ, who is the faithful witnesse, and the first begotten of the dead, and the Prince of the kings of the earth: vnto him that loued vs, and washed vs from our sinnes in his owne blood

Notice that capital "P"?

Satisfied?

 

[The Light]

What crucifixion year does dispensationalism's decapitated 70th week require?

AD 30
or
AD 33
?

That's not the question. The question is when did Christ die. As your teacher Chris said there can only be two dates that are a possibility. One is in AD 30 and one is in AD 33. He has first tried to prove that AD 33 could not be the date of Christ's death. He was unable to prove that. Now he is attempting to prove that AD 30 is the correct. He will not be able to do that either.

 

[covenantee]

That's not the question. The question is when did Christ die. As your teacher Chris said there can only be two dates that are a possibility. One is in AD 30 and one is in AD 33. He has first tried to prove that AD 33 could not be the date of Christ's death. He was unable to prove that. Now he is attempting to prove that AD 30 is the correct. He will not be able to do that either.

That's my question. Are you willing to answer it?

What crucifixion year does dispensationalism's decapitated 70th week require?

AD 30
or
AD 33
?

 

[covenantee]

That's not the question. The question is when did Christ die. As your teacher Chris said there can only be two dates that are a possibility. One is in AD 30 and one is in AD 33. He has first tried to prove that AD 33 could not be the date of Christ's death. He was unable to prove that. Now he is attempting to prove that AD 30 is the correct. He will not be able to do that either.

Here's another one. Why does Bro. Anderson specify AD 32 instead of AD 33 as Jesus' death year?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Same thing, they are one. So when Jesus returns all kingdoms become His, and of course the Father's also. There is no separate time for the rule to start!

What is your understanding of these passages:

1 Corinthians 15:22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Matthew 13:40 As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send out his angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that causes sin and all who do evil. 42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Whoever has ears, let them hear.

Do you believe that Jesus will return at the end of the age (Matt 24:3)? If so, what do the passages above indicate will happen at that point?

No He won't. There will still be rebels 1000 years later. Once all is finished, after the millennium then we have the new heavens and
earth.

Can you tell me how you interpret this passage:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

That is not when His feet stand on the mount of Olives. Not at all.

False. No He does not rule the kingdoms of the world now. Nor do we yet reign with Him.

I'd like to see you try to tell Him that.

Matthew 28:6 Then the eleven disciples went to Galilee, to the mountain where Jesus had told them to go. 17 When they saw him, they worshiped him; but some doubted. 18 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.

Revelation 1:5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

Do you see how I'm backing up my view with scripture? You should try it sometime. If you want to be taken seriously, that is.

Right, that comes in stages. Some By Jesus when He returns and of course the final great white throne judgment at the end of the 1000 years. You conflate it all together.

Scripture does not teach that people are judged in stages, it teaches that all people will be judged at the same time. Here are examples of that:

Acts 17:31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”

Matthew 13:47 “Once again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was let down into the lake and caught all kinds of fish. 48 When it was full, the fishermen pulled it up on the shore. Then they sat down and collected the good fish in baskets, but threw the bad away. 49 This is how it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the righteous 50 and throw them into the blazing furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Matthew 25:31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left. 34 “Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world......41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.....46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

Right that is when He returns, some of the dead.

Where are you seeing that just some of the dead are judged when Jesus returns? Do you see that in any of the passage I quoted above?

The rest of the dead, not until the 1000 years are done.

I'm sorry, where does Revelation 11:18 indicate that the seventh trumpet will signal the time for just some of the dead to be judged?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

It's WPM that runs from "The Consummation" seen in Daniel 9:27, because it destroys your preterist 66-70AD claims of Daniel's AOD fulfillment

The scripture doesn't change, will the bad guy be present on earth until the future consummation 100% "YES"!!!

It surely didn't take place in your preterist reformed eschatology 66-70AD that you promote and claim, it's a future event unfulfilled, it's that simple, read it again and again

Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End

"Future" Events Unfulfilled

This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled

(The Future Consummation)

2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation

1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end

Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!

Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Were WPM's questions that he asked you in post #3883 too difficult for you to answer? Why didn't you answer them? If your belief was true then you should be able to clearly explain when the six things listed in Daniel 9:24 will be fulfilled and how they will be fulfilled. Your lack of willingness to answer questions like those shows the weakness of your view and your inability to defend it when challenged.