22 major reasons to abandon the Premil doctrine

[dad]

If there is no righteousness, you must still be in your sin.

There is no righteousness in the kingdoms of this world. There will be! Once the vision is sealed up. Here again you grasp at words that are the same but totally out of time and place and context.

There is no agreement made and broken. That is futurist fantasy and fallacy.

The Great Tribulation starts and ends in the middle of that last seven years. From other prophesies we know there is a league made and broken. Calling this fantasy shows a deep ignorance and darkness.

Antichrist does not confirm any covenant. Antichrist does not appear in the passage. There is no Hebrew word for "antichrist".

As above. You might as well say there is no moon or sun. Total time wasting foolishness and darkness.

There is no recognized defender of the true faith in the 17 centuries of post-apostolic Christianity before the 19th century who associated antichrist with the covenant.

Leaving aside the issue of the league made that involves the evil final world leader, we still know that he is only here for a short time.

Daniel 7:24-25
As for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings shall arise, and another shall arise after them; he shall be different from the former ones, and shall put down three kings. He shall speak words against the Most High, and shall wear out the saints of the Most High, and shall think to change the times and the law; and they shall be given into his hand for a time, times, and half a time.

So you do not need to understand what happens and why something changes in the middle of that seven years. You do need to realize that there will be this time and leader. Do you?

 

[Truth7t7]

Jerusalem's fall aside, the spirit of the verse includes the abomination of desolation Jesus told us about. The words desolate and abomination are in Dan 9 even. The clear mention of the final utter destruction that is decreed is loud and clear also. So the time is placed squarely in the tribulation. Elsewhere in the bible we have the half of the seven years marked out in crystal clear ways, days, months, years.
Nothing seals up or finishes things until that last time.

The claimed preterist Matthew 24:21 "Great Tribulation" took place in their claimed 66-70AD destruction of Jerusalem, and they try to sell this as a time of trouble never to be seen in earth's history, (No, Nor Ever Shall Be) 100% "Malarkey"!

Reformed Preterist Eschatology Is A Farce

Matthew 24:21KJV
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

 

[dad]

The claimed preterist Matthew 24:21 "Great Tribulation" took place in their claimed 66-70AD destruction of Jerusalem, and they try to sell this as a time of trouble never to be seen in earth's history, (No, Nor Ever Shall Be) 100% "Malarkey"!

Reformed Preterist Eschatology Is A Farce

Matthew 24:21KJV
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

The Great Tribulation is a certain time and event. There are no others. Your attempts at belittling the truth .... are exposed.

 

[covenantee]

There is no righteousness in the kingdoms of this world.

Is there righteousness in you?

The Great Tribulation starts and ends in the middle of that last seven years.

The great tribulation ended in 70 AD.

As above. You might as well say there is no moon or sun. Total time wasting foolishness and darkness.

Antichrist does not confirm any covenant. Antichrist does not appear in the passage. There is no Hebrew word for "antichrist".

Leaving aside the issue of the league made that involves the evil final world leader, we still know that he is only here for a short time.

The Reformers recognized the little horn as the apostasized papacy. Thank God that none of them was a dispensational futurist.

There is no recognized defender of the true faith in the 17 centuries of post-apostolic Christianity before the 19th century who associated antichrist with the covenant. That is dispensational delusion and futurist fallacy. It is interpretation by hallucination.

It is heretical blasphemy, an abomination of desecration.

Which you espouse.

 

[Truth7t7]

The Great Tribulation is a certain time and event. There are no others. Your attempts at belittling the truth to support your darkness are exposed.

The Great Tribulation is future and there will be no time like it seen nor ever will be, a future event unfulfilled

Your false claim of Belittling Truth in Supporting darkness?

"Pure Slander" against a Spirit Filled Christian speaking God's Truth!

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[dad]

Is there righteousness in you?

The issue is not whether some people in the world are saved or not. The issue is when everlasting righteousness is brought in. When it happens no one will be asking whether it happened yet or not!

The great tribulation ended in 70 AD.

That is a lie.

Antichrist does not confirm any covenant. Antichrist does not appear in the passage. There is no Hebrew word for "antichrist".

There is no possible disputing the evil final leader. Your inability to recognize all the places he is spoken about is your own problem.

The Reformers recognized the little horn as the apostasized papacy. Thank God that none of them was a dispensational futurist.

If trueu the reformers were bad actors.

There is no recognized defender of the true faith in the 17 centuries of post-apostolic Christianity before the 19th century who associated antichrist with the covenant. That is dispensational delusion and futurist fallacy. It is interpretation by hallucination.

Your idea of 'defenders of the faith' might be a pedophile organization in other people's minds. Whoever they are they had better get with the program of the bible.

It is heretical blasphemy.

Baloney

 

[dad]

The Great Tribulation is future and there will be no time like it seen nor ever will be, a future event unfulfilled

Your false claim of Belittling Truth in Supporting darkness?

"Pure Slander" against a Spirit Filled Christian speaking God's Truth!

Jesus Is The Lord

Sorry you do not know what you are talking about in prophesy issues and whatever spirit you think is responsible is wrong and false

 

[Truth7t7]

Sorry you do not know what you are talking about in prophesy issues and whatever spirit you think is responsible is wrong and false

It's my opinion dad follows the wrong and false school of thought in dispensationalism, my opinion, without "personal attacks that you are following darkness

 

[dad]

It's my opinion dad follows the wrong and false school of thought in dispensationalism, my opinion

So far you have been striking out, so I would be worried if you agreed

 

[Truth7t7]

It is heretical blasphemy, an abomination of desecration.

Which you espouse.

Pretty strong words regarding a difference of opinion regarding eschatology

I would request that you refrain from personal attacks calling posters heretics, next it will be calling for sending persons to the dungeon for punishment

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[Truth7t7]

Sorry you do not know what you are talking about in prophesy issues and whatever spirit you think is responsible is wrong and false

Stop The Personal Attacks In Slander, As Seen In Post #4103!

 

[covenantee]

The issue is not whether some people in the world are saved or not. The issue is when everlasting righteousness is brought in. When it happens no one will be asking whether it happened yet or not!

Why are you afraid to answer the question? Is there righteousness in you? Yes or no?

That is a lie.

The great tribulation ended in 70 AD.

There is no possible disputing the evil final leader. Your inability to recognize all the places he is spoken about is your own problem.

Interpretation by hallucination.

If trueu the reformers were bad actors.

Are you a closet papist?

Your idea of 'defenders of the faith' might be a pedophile organization in other people's minds. Whoever they are they had better get with the program of the bible.

You're on this forum today because of their faith, vision, and sacrifice. But there's no ingrate like a dispensational futurist ingrate.

Baloney

Dispensational futurism.

A fantasy of ignorance.

A fallacy of arrogance.

A modernist cultic heretical blasphemous abomination of desecration.

 

[covenantee]

Pretty strong words regarding a difference of opinion regarding eschatology

I would request that you refrain from personal attacks calling posters heretics, next it will be calling for sending persons to the dungeon for punishment

Jesus Is The Lord

Espousing Christ = antichrist is immeasurably worse than "a difference of opinion regarding eschatology."

It is blasphemy, and anyone espousing it recognizes it as blasphemy.

 

[Truth7t7]

Espousing Christ = antichrist is immeasurably worse than "a difference of opinion regarding eschatology."

It is blasphemy, and anyone espousing it recognizes it as blasphemy.

It's my opinion that you put Jesus Christ as the Antichrist

Jesus isn't the "he" in Daniel 9:27 as you claim, Jesus doesn't make abomination or desolation, nor are Pagan Roman's people or agents of Jesus Christ as you have claimed

Stop the personal attacks calling posters heretics on a difference of opinions

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[covenantee]

It's my opinion that you put Jesus Christ as the Antichrist

Jesus isn't the "he" in Daniel 9:27 as you claim, Jesus doesn't make abomination or desolation, nor are Pagan Roman's people or agents of Jesus Christ as you have claimed

Stop the personal attacks calling posters heretics on a difference of opinions

Jesus Is The Lord

I've repeatedly demonstrated through grammatical antecedents that it is Christ who confirms His Covenant.

But since you believe that grammatical antecedents are of the devil, it is entirely unsurprising that you declare that Christ is antichrist.

No surprise at all.

 

[Randy Kluth]

Jerusalem's fall aside, the spirit of the verse includes the abomination of desolation Jesus told us about. The words desolate and abomination are in Dan 9 even. The clear mention of the final utter destruction that is decreed is loud and clear also. So the time is placed squarely in the tribulation. Elsewhere in the bible we have the half of the seven years marked out in crystal clear ways, days, months, years.
Nothing seals up or finishes things until that last time.

Yes, that's how perhaps most futurists see it today, in particular Dispensationalists. I do not, however. I see the AoD mentioned in Dan 9.27 as being the same AoD mentioned in the Olivet Discourse. And in Luke 21 it seems pretty apparent to me that Luke's version refers to the Roman armies surrounding Jerusalem in place of Matthew and Mark who call that event an AoD.

So for me, the AoD in Dan 9 and the AoD in the Olivet Discourse is the same thing, and Jesus identified it in Luke as armies surrounding Jerusalem, to destroy that city and the temple.

There is a future period of trouble not identified as an AoD, but rather, identified as the Reign of Antichrist. Dan 7 refers to this period as 3.5 years. The book of Revelation identifies it as 1260 days.

I believe people confuse the 1290 days of Antiochus 4's reign with the prophecy of Antichrist's reign because both are mentioned in Dan 12. However, at that time, both these events were still future to Daniel's generation. Today, we are only looking forward to the reign of Antichrist.

But thanks for recognizing my post on this. And you can feel assured that I'm not hostile to other points of view--I know there is a lot of disagreement between various schools of interpretation.

 

[Truth7t7]

I've repeatedly demonstrated through grammatical antecedents that it is Christ who confirms His Covenant.

But since you believe that grammatical antecedents are of the devil, it is entirely unsurprising that you declare that Christ is antichrist.

No surprise at all.

You have proven nothing, at no time have I claimed grammatical antecedents are of the devil a false claim

It's your claim that Jesus is the "he" in Daniel 9:27 I disagree, Jesus doesn't make abomination and desolation, nor were the 70AD pagan Roman's God's agents or people in destruction of Jerusalem

Stop the personal attacks, calling posters heretics on a difference of opinion

 

[covenantee]

You have proven nothing, at no time have I claimed grammatical antecedents are of the devil a false claim

Stop the personal attacks on posters, calling posters heretics on a difference of opinion

In a previous post I asked if you believed that grammatical antecedents are of the devil.

You refused to answer, so the only logical conclusion is that you believe that grammatical antecedents are of the devil.

Have you changed your mind?

 

[Truth7t7]

In a previous post I asked if you believed that grammatical antecedents are of the devil.

You refused to answer, so the only logical conclusion is that you believe that grammatical antecedents are of the devil.

Have you changed your mind?

Stop the false accusations and personal attacks, calling posters heretics on a difference of opinion

 

[covenantee]

Stop the false accusations and personal attacks, calling posters heretics on a difference of opinion

Since you still refuse to answer, it's obvious that you still believe that grammatical antecedents are of the devil.

And thus you still believe that Christ = antichrist.