The beliefs of the early Chiliasts were the antithesis of modern Premil

[Truther]

Ok then, if so, so where are they taught by Christ and the NT writers in this current new covenant age? And can you give me clear Scripture that they are "memorial"?

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

This memorial feast will end at the return of Christ and his memory will be reinstituted as a sacrifice ensues.

 

[Truther]

These Laws were given at different times to serve different purposes. If you do not see that then there is something drastically wrong with your theology.

No, the Law began in the Garden of Eden and was completed in Mal.

Jesus called Psalms "your Law" and Paul called the prophets "the Law".

Some goofy theologian thinks it is only 5 books.

 

[Truther]

Do you tithe?

Barf!

No way.

 

[WPM]

24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.

This memorial feast will end at the return of Christ and his memory will be reinstituted as a sacrifice ensues.

That has absolutely nothing to do with killing innocent animals in the future. That is ridiculous. You obviously have nothing. This is typical of Premil. You are making it up as you go. That is talking exclusively of the cross-work of Christ. How dare you attribute to the mass slaughter of innocent lams and goats in your imaginary future millennium.

 

[WPM]

Barf!

No way.

Why not?

 

[Truther]

That has absolutely nothing to with killing innocent animals in the future. That is ridiculous. You obviously have nothing. This is typical of Premil. You are making it up as you go. That is talking exclusively of the cross-work of Christ. How dare you attribute to the mass slaughter of innocent lams and goats in your imaginary future millennium.

Did you know the 1st century memorial feast was not vegan, not by the Jews or the Christians?

 

[Truther]

Why not?

Because I was delivered from the curse of the Law of Mal 3 on Oct 7, 1979.

 

[Truther]

That has absolutely nothing to with killing innocent animals in the future. That is ridiculous. You obviously have nothing. This is typical of Premil. You are making it up as you go. That is talking exclusively of the cross-work of Christ. How dare you attribute to the mass slaughter of innocent lams and goats in your imaginary future millennium.

Funny, the Prophets(Ezekiel) reinstitute the sacrifices in the Millennial and 6 times in Rev 20 the 1000 years are mentioned....which you call "imagination".

You insult God's words as a lie.

 

[covenantee]

...they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved...


Can you read English?

Are they beloved enemies that are elected?

You bet they are.

Can you understand English?

There are two "they's".

Never and nowhere in Scripture are enemies of the gospel ever numbered with the election.

Never and nowhere in Scripture do the twain meet unless and until the former as individuals accept Christ, and are then numbered with the latter.

You'd better believe it.

Toss those dispensational spectacles back in the round file from whence they came.

 

[WPM]

Because I was delivered from the curse of the Law of Mal 3 on Oct 7, 1979.

It is not the law. It was active before the law.

 

[Truther]

Can you understand English?

There are two "they's".

Never and nowhere in Scripture are enemies of the gospel ever numbered with the election.

Never and nowhere in Scripture do the twain meet unless and until the former as individuals accept Christ, and are then numbered with the latter.

You'd better believe it.

Toss those dispensational spectacles back in the round file from whence they came.

Like this?....


27 For this is my covenant unto them(ONLY THE GOOD GUYS), when I shall take away their(GOOD GUYS) sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they(BAD GUYS) are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they(GOOD GUYS) are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God(ONLY FOR THE GOOD GUYS) are without repentance.


Or...


27 For this is my covenant unto them(BAD GUYS), when I shall take away their(BAD GUYS) sins.

28 As concerning the gospel, they(BAD GUYS) are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they(BAD GUYS) are beloved for the father's sakes.

29 For the gifts and calling of God(FOR THE BAD GUYS) are without repentance.


Question: were you a good guy or a bad guy when God saved you?

 

[covenantee]

God did not make this covenant with Israel. He made it with Abraham. The spiritual promises that God made with him relate to a spiritual seed. The blessings and curses relate to the redeemed through history (true Israel) - Jew and Gentile.

The focus of Scripture is Christ not Israel, as you constantly promote. Your Israelogy is therefore grossly wrong. You make Israel the center-point of your theology when Jesus was/is that. Jesus Christ is the central character in time –literally. He is the hope of Israel. He is the Messiah. He is man's only Savior and redeemer. He is Lord and God. Throughout this world, time is gauged by the birth of Christ. Think about it: of all the men ever lived, of all the religious heroes and gods that man has ever known, One stands alone at the center of time – Jesus Christ. It is amazing that in every nation in every continent throughout the globe, time is marked in BC Before Christ and AD Anno Domini which is Medieval Latin, translated as "In the year of the Lord." His whole life was a walking evidence and testimony to the fact that He was both God and man. His life, His words and His acts revealed to all that He was God manifested in flesh. But another proof that some overlook was the lengths that Satan went to, to take Him out of the game.

He is the central character of the Old Testament. He is the central character of the New Testament. He is the central character in time. He is the central character in eternity. He is the central character in heaven. He is the central character on earth. God the Father points to Him as His perfect gift to mankind. The Holy Ghost points humanity to Him as man's only hope of redemption. Angels bow before Him, heaven and earth adore Him.

Israel rejected and rejects Christ. Those who hate Christ are not the people of God. They are apostate and of their father the devil. That is a NT fact. There is no special favor for ethnic Christ-rejecting apostate Israel since the cross. Quite the opposite. They are under the wrath of God! The kingdom has been removed from them. God has cursed the natural Israeli fig tree and terminated the ancient old covenant Israeli theocracy. But true Israel (Christ-accepting Israel - God's true elect), the faithful remnant, have been expanded to embrace believers in all nations today. God now works through this spiritual Israeli organism to manifest His name throughout the earth. These are the true circumcision. These are the children if Abraham. These are they that reside in true Zion.

Natural Israel and natural Jews can embrace Christ at any time and be grafted into the good olive tree and be at one with fellow Christians. This is the household of faith. This is the only Israel that carries God's favor.

You hurl the "Replacement Theology" either out of ignorance or to deliberately inflame your brethren. Randy K has been doing that for years. He refuses to change. That is why few Amils respect him or take him serious. The reality is: Amils and Postmils do NOT believe in Replacement Theology. We believe we have been grafted into true Israel (believing Israel). We believe in Inclusion Theology! In this position we stand with Christ, Paul and the NT writers, and also the ECFs. So, we are in good company. Natural Israel is still natural Israel. True Israel or the true spiritual Jews are the NT Church of all nations.

The global expanse of the Gospel to the nations is not a New Testament innovation. It was widely taught throughout the Old Testament. In fact, if you go right back to the book of Genesis you will see the great commission that was put upon the offspring of Abraham to reach the nations with the truth (Genesis 12:1-3, 17:5-7 and 22:17). Israel was meant to be that beacon on a hill that would shine out to the darkened Gentiles and be spiritually fruitful.

Many amen's, brother.

A resounding rebuke to premil/dispen racist replacement biology.

 

[Truther]

It is not the law. It was active before the law.

5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law,...

 

[Truther]

Many amen's, brother.

A resounding rebuke to premil/dispen racist replacement biology.

Racist?

Is not eliminating the future Jew from God's promise, "racist"?

 

[WPM]

5 And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law,...

It came before the Law, with the Law, and after the Law. It is an eternal principle for giving.

The pole is always higher in the NT. Do you give more than 10% then?

 

[Truther]

It came before the Law, with the Law, and after the Law. It is an eternal principle for giving.

The pole is always higher in the NT. Do you give more than 10% then?

Wait, wait wait....


Who is your priest you give tithes to on Sunday?

 

[Truther]

Exactly how does Jesus receive your tithe?

 

[Truther]

Who is the mediator of your tithe for Jesus?

 

[Truther]

Is the pastor of your congregation in a mediatory role between you and Jesus concerning tithing?

If you tithe to him, you tithe to God?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

God did not make this covenant with Israel. He made it with Abraham. The spiritual promises that God made with him relate to a spiritual seed. The blessings and curses relate to the redeemed through history (true Israel) - Jew and Gentile.

He made a covenant with Abrahm that his seed would create a great nation which lead to Jesus, the Messiah and He would be a blessing to the world. Romans 11 shows a distinction between the Gentiles and Israel. I guess you can't see it?

The focus of Scripture is Christ not Israel, as you constantly promote. Your Israelogy is therefore grossly wrong. You make Israel the center-point of your theology when Jesus was/is that.

Jesus is the main focus of the Bible and Life spiritual and physical. He is Life itself. He is the CTEATOR. YOU implied that Jesus is the angel in Rev. 20. That tells me you are a Non-Trinitarian.
So how could your whole heart, devotion and love be focused on Jesus, when you think henis a angel and NOT God? GOD IS TO BE OUR FOCUS. Your focus on this forum seems to be the attack on Pre-Millennialism, the disparaging of our hope for His imminent return, His Earthly Kingdom Come, His will be on earth as it is in Heaven, Anti-Semitism and I guess we'll wait and see if you start attacking Trinitarians in other threads.
My point was simply that most Bible events in history centered around Jerusalem. It was considered the holy city and many believe that it will be in the MK. You don't, well you will find out soon.

Israel rejected and rejects Christ. Those who hate Christ are not the people of God. They are apostate and of their father the devil.

Partially true, time will tell. People can be against God until that moment in time, their divine appointment and they are enlightened and see. Remember, we were all enemies of God once until He saved us. We're we reprobates? No. Were we on His list? Yes. How many of the Jews are on His list? YOU DON'T KNOW SO YOU SHOULD BE SILENT ABOUT THAT! I say all Israel will be saved and there is a distinction that you miss.

They are apostate and of their father the devil. That is a NT fact. There is no special favor for ethnic Christ-rejecting apostate Israel since the cross. Quite the opposite. They are under the wrath of God!

"Those who curse you will be cursed!" Watch out ... better shut up about that!

God has cursed the natural Israeli fig tree and terminated the ancient old covenant Israeli theocracy

You are blind to see that God has brought many Jews back home since 1948 and has blessed them since. Look at all countries surrounding them! Israel has prospered more than any of them. They miraculously won wars while outnumbered - just like in the OT times.

. We believe we have been grafted into true Israel (believing Israel). We believe in Inclusion Theology! In this position we stand with Christ, Paul and the NT writers, and also the ECFs. So, we are in good company. Natural Israel is still natural Israel. True Israel or the true spiritual Jews are the NT Church of all nations.

We have been grafted into the vine, branches were cut off, but they will be grafted back into the vine again.
The things say are actually going against God's plan.