Are Jehovah's witnesses real Christians?

[Wrangler]

Jesus was not created!

Of course Jesus was created. Sons, by definition, are created beings.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I didnt say the other 19 were in 1822-I said MR Kneelands was 1822--Would be impossible to write the bible in Greek and compare it to English if one wasnt a Greek scholar.

Well my bad. It was written in a way that leads one to conclude 19 were available in 1822. But Kneeland was no greek scholar!

Well I searched and there is no record of his studying Greek. Ball is in your court to show he is a greek scholar.

And no, it would not be impossible to translate (badly) if one wasn'rt a scholar.

Just look at the NWT- not one Greek scholar was on the translation committee.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You will find out different. Jesus has a God--God does not have a God. If Jesus were God he already had all authority, but someone superior=his God gave him all authority, His God gave him the name above other names or its clear at Heb 1:4 that he is only above the angels because God gave him the name above others. Psalm 45:7--Jesus has a God-Partners= angels. But he as well must hand back the kingdom to his God and Father and subject himself=Forever-1Cor 15:24-28)-God is in subjection to no one. Your translations are filled with contradictory errors.

1. I never said God the Father has a God.

2. I fully agree that teh Father is the God of God the son- but that does not make the son anyless "God" in nature than the Father.

3. The errors are only apparent to those with an agenda. I await you to show me one glaring one on this subject.

Making accusations is cheap, showing one of real substance takes work.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Fantastic!

Hope you will!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

As long as you ignore the verse I posted sir, you are quite correct, his name is not above Jehovah's, nor is his authority as we agree on.

No Jesus name is above all names- other was added by the Watchtower to lessen teh glory of Jesus! I did not ignore your verse- I recognize that Elohim (plural) said they would not share their glory with another.

Just like in Is. 44 two YHWH's speak.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The Bible says he was, and of course I believe it sir. All spirit creatures with the exception of Jehovah was created, and Adam and Eve were created as well.

the man Jesus was created. but as He existed before all eterntiy as God the Word, He also wasn't created.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus and his apostles gathered for the passover, and after they had observed the passover meal, Jesus instituted something different, he gave some unleavened bread to his apostles, and said they symbolized his body which was to be given in their behalf, and then the wine, which represented his blood. He told them to continue to observe that. He then made a covenant with them, and became the passover for us Christians from that point on.

YOu failed the history quiz.

At the Seder all parts were symbolic. One had not been defined yet. One particular.

Seder meal had a trifold napkin with three pitas ,one in each fold. During the meal they took out the middle pita (which was unleavened, striped and pierced), split in half, put half back in the napkin and shared the rest. This is the pita Jesus said was His Body He was unleavend striped (whipped, and pierced.

Then Jesus took the fourth cup of wine in the seder meal, the "kos revii" and shared that. Unless a fifth (optional cup) was poured , the cup of Elijah, this cup was drank, the psalms of praise were sung and Seder was concluded.

Matt. 24:

26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

27 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;

28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

29 But I say unto you, I will not drink henceforth of this fruit of the vine, until that day when I drink it new with you in my Father's kingdom.

30 And when they had sung an hymn, they went out into the mount of Olives

 

[Wrangler]

fully agree that teh Father is the God of God the son- but that does not make the son anyless "God" in nature than the Father.

It seems you are just asserting this as so.

What would make the son - who is not explicitly identified as God anywhere in Scripture - less “God” than the only true God explicitly identified in Scripture, YHWH (who we relate to as our Father)?

 

[Keiw]

Well my bad. It was written in a way that leads one to conclude 19 were available in 1822. But Kneeland was no greek scholar!

Well I searched and there is no record of his studying Greek. Ball is in your court to show he is a greek scholar.

And no, it would not be impossible to translate (badly) if one wasn'rt a scholar.

Just look at the NWT- not one Greek scholar was on the translation committee.

No mortalGreek scholar was on that commitee-God was through holy spirit=the #1 Greek scholar.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No mortalGreek scholar was on that commitee-God was through holy spirit=the #1 Greek scholar.

So ignorant men who didn't know squat about the complexities of Hebrew and Greek took Hebrew and Greek manuscripts and translated them?

Are you really that gullible?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I wonder if you were to have brain surgery and teh doctor never studied medicine but just prayed, if you would let him cut you open?

But yo0u will trust the precious Word of God to unlearned men?

 

[Keiw]

So ignorant men who didn't know squat about the complexities of Hebrew and Greek took Hebrew and Greek manuscripts and translated them?

Are you really that gullible?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

I wonder if you were to have brain surgery and teh doctor never studied medicine but just prayed, if you would let him cut you open?

But yo0u will trust the precious Word of God to unlearned men?

Jesus promised to guide his real teachers into all truth through holy spirit did he not? Its all that is needed by his real teachers.

 

[Robert Gwin]

Hope you will!

Hope I will what?

 

[Robert Gwin]

the man Jesus was created. but as He existed before all eterntiy as God the Word, He also wasn't created.

The man Jesus was procreated, as you know Ron. If you are unaware of this the account is found at Mat 1:18-22; Luke 1:34,35

Let's reason on what the Bible says about Jesus' creation. May I ask you who the faithful witness is of Rev 1:5?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus promised to guide his real teachers into all truth through holy spirit did he not? Its all that is needed by his real teachers.

Wow you are that gullible! that is the truths of the Word, not how to translate languages or perform a delicate medical procedure.

Remind me to never trust anyone in you rfamily with a task that needs an education to do.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The man Jesus was procreated, as you know Ron. If you are unaware of this the account is found at Mat 1:18-22; Luke 1:34,35

Let's reason on what the Bible says about Jesus' creation. May I ask you who the faithful witness is of Rev 1:5?

The man Jesus was procreated as I told you., However Jesus before given that name and before becoming a man was not created. As it says in Phil. 2 before He became a man, He was in the form of God (morphe, form, shape, character), and He emptied Himself. Of what? of being in the form of god! I shouldn't have to tell you who the faithful witness is- Gods Word says His name!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Hope I will what?

Do some research and find out why the New World Mistranslation of the Scripture is a mistranslation. There are many good, average, fair and poor translations and many paraphrases., but teh NWT does not even qualify as a bad paraphrase.

By adding the word other in John 1 and Philippians 2 the authors condemned themselves if they did not recant of this demonic rewrite of Scripture!, that is just two of numerous hideous mangling of language the authors with no knowledge of Greek or Hebrew did to Gods Word. This sounds harsh, but it is tthe nicest things I can say about those who write and approve of this hideous document.

 

[Keiw]

Wow you are that gullible! that is the truths of the Word, not how to translate languages or perform a delicate medical procedure.

Remind me to never trust anyone in you rfamily with a task that needs an education to do.

Wow such darkness not to believe Jesus and claim to follow him. Jesus said--all truth. John 16:13--- How little faith you have in God. Languages are a minor to him.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Wow such darkness not to believe Jesus and claim to follow him. Jesus said--all truth. John 16:13--- How little faith you have in God. Languages are a minor to him.

But He does not empower men to translate on elanguage to another when they nothing of that language- Paul made that clear in Corinth.

God can do anything He wishes- but now you have to prove that an anonymous group with no knowledge of linguistics or Greek and Hebrew can take manuscripts in language they no not and translate them.

Still won't gpo too any of your family to get anything done.

I want my mechanic to knoe mechanics.

I want a translator of Gods Word to know th eoriginal languages.

I have found numerous errors in the New World Mistranslation and I only had a year of Greek and Hebrew!

 

[Keiw]

But He does not empower men to translate on elanguage to another when they nothing of that language- Paul made that clear in Corinth.

God can do anything He wishes- but now you have to prove that an anonymous group with no knowledge of linguistics or Greek and Hebrew can take manuscripts in language they no not and translate them.

Still won't gpo too any of your family to get anything done.

I want my mechanic to knoe mechanics.

I want a translator of Gods Word to know th eoriginal languages.

I have found numerous errors in the New World Mistranslation and I only had a year of Greek and Hebrew!

God let them speak in tongues(foreign languages) even though they never had before. By using holy spirit to guide their words. So if it takes using foreign languages to guide into all truth, and correct bible errors so this truth becomes fact-Daniel 12:4) its nothing for God to accomplish that.
You sound like the pharisees who were saying--it is impossible for Jesus and his apostles to be spiritual teachers, they did not attend our schools of men. Jesus' real teachers do not need the schools of men, they get holy spirit.

 

[Robert Gwin]

The man Jesus was procreated as I told you., However Jesus before given that name and before becoming a man was not created. As it says in Phil. 2 before He became a man, He was in the form of God (morphe, form, shape, character), and He emptied Himself. Of what? of being in the form of god! I shouldn't have to tell you who the faithful witness is- Gods Word says His name!

Great! I am glad we agree the man Jesus was procreated. Let's reason on this a bit Ron, may I ask you who the faithful witness is in Rev 1:5 sir