Who is right ?

[BreadOfLife]

Totally disagree.
THE VERY FIRST CHRISTIANS WERE JEWS!!!!!!!

Yes they were Jews – but that doesn’t mean that they WEREN’T Catholics.

There are Jewish Baptists, Jewish Lutherans, Jewish Atheists, etc.
What makes you think that there CAN’T be Jewish Catholics?

According to Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch and lifelong disciple of the Apostle John - It was called “The Catholic Church” in the FIRST century.

 

[Illuminator]

 

[Enoch111]

We are all different and must decide our walk from the Word. If a person only holds to a prophets words then I question if they know the full truth.

Actually if one is a born-again believer (a child of God) then we are NOT all different. We are all in the family of God. And all genuine Christians must believe in the fundamentals of the faith (including the true Gospel), otherwise they are not true Christians.

The issue of denominations and divisions is a peripheral issue for ordinary evangelical/fundamentalist Christians. Yes the divisions are there and Christ already told us that there would be (a) tares among the wheat, (b) false brethren, (c) false apostles, and (d) false prophets. We are to BEWARE of them but God will deal with these people.

BTW there are no genuine prophets today, so all the so-called apostles and prophets should simply be ignored. The same goes for all the false preachers and their Prosperity Gospel.

The written Word of God must be the sole authority in all matters of faith and practice. And this is not rocket science either. See Micah 6:8.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Actually if one is a born-again believer (a child of God) then we are NOT all different. We are all in the family of God. And all genuine Christians must believe in the fundamentals o the faith (including the true Gospel), otherwise they are not true Christians.

The issue of denominations and divisions is a peripheral issue for ordinary evangelical/fundamentalist Christians. Yes the divisions are there and Christ already told us that there would be (a) tares among the wheat, (b) false brethren, (c) false apostles, and (d) false prophets. We are to BEWARE of them but God will deal with these people.

BTW there are no genuine prophets today, so all the so-called apostles and prophets should simply be ignored. The same goes for all the false preachers and their Prosperity Gospel.

The written Word of God must be the sole authority in all matters of faith and practice. And this is not rocket science either. See Micah 6:8.

I agree on the Word of God and that God is NOT different in his requirements. Still we are all different in yielding, listening and committing.

One may be of great use to evangelize where another may teach. One may have been revealed much where another not so much. Those that walk heavely in the Word much is required of them. It is individual. There will be 50 years in the Lord babies that stand before him and he will judge rightly.

Ppl do not understand how change must happen in coming to the Lord. Now whether it is by choice or ignorance or training I cannot tell. It is our love & desire to please him that places us where we are in our walk.

What bothers me so much is the fact indoctrination of false messages has a greater hold on some than the Holy Spirit can move them. Can we help ? If so how ?

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Regarding searching the scriptures, Paul warned people to concentrate mainly on the gospels rather than get bogged down in too much deep study of the entire bible-
"I am worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Corinthians 11:3)

Jesus was easy enough to understand-
"And the common people heard him gladly" (Mark 12:37)

Jesus advised the priestly classes not to overdo their intensive bible study-
"You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life." (John 5:39-40)

WHAT A WELL BUT ERRONEOUS PUT TOGETHER.....
EXCUSE !

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Bearing false witness is a serious sin, but us Catholics don't hold it against you due to your invincible ignorance.

Know the truth and it shall set you free !

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Yes they were Jews – but that doesn’t mean that they WEREN’T Catholics.

There are Jewish Baptists, Jewish Lutherans, Jewish Atheists, etc.
What makes you think that there CAN’T be Jewish Catholics?

According to Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch and lifelong disciple of the Apostle John - It was called “The Catholic Church” in the FIRST century.

I'm going to be as blunt as possible the devil counterfeited God's kingdom and twisted the Words of life to bring ppl under bondage through the heretical Roman Catholic Church.

It is not the first church, nor mother church nor any church that belongs unto the living God.

Now there may be ppl who attend such but are not corrupted by such that God may see belong unto him. It is his judgment. However everything they practice is against the word.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I'm going to be as blunt as possible the devil counterfeited God's kingdom and twisted the Words of life to bring ppl under bondage through the heretical Roman Catholic Church.

It is not the first church, nor mother church nor any church that belongs unto the living God.

Now there may be ppl who attend such but are not corrupted by such that God may see belong unto him. It is his judgment. However everything they practice is against the word.

Really?
EVERYTHING we practice is against His Word??

Not OLY is what you stated a total rejection of the Word of God – it is a rejection of history and a gigantic hypocrisy on YOUR pert. Jesus guaranteed that His Church would NOT succumb to darkness (Matt. 16:18). He warned of evil people WIKTHIN the Church (Matt. 7:15-20). He NEVER gave permission or offered allowances for ANYBODY to break away from that Church and start their own sects.

The very Bible that YOU stake your salvation on is a CATHOLIC Tradition. It was the CATHOLIC Church and NOT one of your Protestant factions that declared the Canon of Scripture.
It was the CATHOLIC Church that taught the Gospel to the WORLD. It was the CATHOLIC Church that Baptized the nations and taught the world about Christ the first 1500 years of Christianity.

It was absolutely the FIRST Church, as Jesus only built ONE (Matt. 16:18) – and gave that ONE Church Supreme earthly Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).
Eminent Protestant historian, J. N. D. Kelly lists ALL of the Popes starting with Peter in his “Oxford Dictionary of Popes”.

Additionally, Protestant historian Kenneth Samples states in his treatise, “What Thin Ye of Rome?” that the Catholic, “Has continuity with the Church of the Apostles and is the Tree from which Protestantism originally splintered.”

In fact – I don’t know iof a SINGLE current Protestant theologian who would hazard to make the same asinine and false statement that the “EVERYTHING” Catholic Church practices is against God’s Word . . .

 

[Dropship]

Regarding searching the scriptures, Paul warned people to concentrate mainly on the gospels rather than get bogged down in too much deep study of the entire bible-
"I am worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Corinthians 11:3)..

WHAT A WELL BUT ERRONEOUS PUT TOGETHER.....
EXCUSE !

Tell that to Paul..

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Really?
EVERYTHING we practice is against His Word??

Not OLY is what you stated a total rejection of the Word of God – it is a rejection of history and a gigantic hypocrisy on YOUR pert. Jesus guaranteed that His Church would NOT succumb to darkness (Matt. 16:18). He warned of evil people WIKTHIN the Church (Matt. 7:15-20). He NEVER gave permission or offered allowances for ANYBODY to break away from that Church and start their own sects.

The very Bible that YOU stake your salvation on is a CATHOLIC Tradition. It was the CATHOLIC Church and NOT one of your Protestant factions that declared the Canon of Scripture.
It was the CATHOLIC Church that taught the Gospel to the WORLD. It was the CATHOLIC Church that Baptized the nations and taught the world about Christ the first 1500 years of Christianity.

It was absolutely the FIRST Church, as Jesus only built ONE (Matt. 16:18) – and gave that ONE Church Supreme earthly Authority (Matt. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).
Eminent Protestant historian, J. N. D. Kelly lists ALL of the Popes starting with Peter in his “Oxford Dictionary of Popes”.

Additionally, Protestant historian Kenneth Samples states in his treatise, “What Thin Ye of Rome?” that the Catholic, “Has continuity with the Church of the Apostles and is the Tree from which Protestantism originally splintered.”

In fact – I don’t know iof a SINGLE current Protestant theologian who would hazard to make the same asinine and false statement that the “EVERYTHING” Catholic Church practices is against God’s Word . . .

Catholic, Catholic, Catholic is the same as blah, blah, blah, blah.
You are living and believing in error of man's making NOT GODS!
It may have been the first church of Rome. It was to control the gospel message with distortions of paganism.

You go right ahead and serve the Prince of this world and worship what he has instituted to counterfeit God.
It is your soul at stake.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Tell that to Paul..

Scripture must be studied and received in context per the Holy Spirit not picking and choosing to make a point.

Regarding searching the scriptures, Paul warned people to concentrate mainly on the gospels rather than get bogged down in too much deep study of the entire bible-
"I am worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Corinthians 11:3)

Jesus was easy enough to understand-
"And the common people heard him gladly" (Mark 12:37)

Jesus advised the priestly classes not to overdo their intensive bible study-
"You diligently study the Scriptures because you think that by them you possess eternal life. These are the Scriptures that testify about me, yet you refuse to come to me to have life." (John 5:39-40)

 

[L.A.M.B.]

 

[L.A.M.B.]

Now read it all in context.

 

[Dropship]

Scripture must be studied and received in context per the Holy Spirit not picking and choosing to make a point.

If people can't find Jesus in a simple gospel like this one, they'll never find him..-

 

[Illuminator]

Catholic, Catholic, Catholic is the same as blah, blah, blah, blah.
You are living and believing in error of man's making NOT GODS!
It may have been the first church of Rome. It was to control the gospel message with distortions of paganism.

You go right ahead and serve the Prince of this world and worship what he has instituted to counterfeit God.
It is your soul at stake.

Opponents of the Church often attempt to discredit Catholicism by attempting to show similarities between it and the beliefs or practices of ancient paganism. This fallacy is frequently committed by Fundamentalists against Catholics; by Seventh-day Adventists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, and others against both Protestants and Catholics; and by atheists and skeptics against both Christians and Jews.

The nineteenth century witnessed a flowering of this “pagan influence fallacy.” Publications such as The Two Babylons by Alexander Hislop (the classic English text charging the Catholic Church with paganism) paved the way for generations of antagonism toward the Church.

During this time, entire new sects were created (Seventh-day Adventists, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses)—all considering traditional Catholicism and Protestantism as polluted by paganism. This era also saw atheistic “freethinkers” such as Robert Ingersoll writing books attacking Christianity and Judaism as pagan.
read the full article here

Historical truth prevails​

Ultimately, all attempts to prove Catholicism “pagan” fail. To make a charge of paganism stick, one must be able to show more than a similarity between something in the Church and something in the non-Christian world. One must be able to demonstrate a legitimate connection between the two, showing clearly that one is a result of the other, and that there is something wrong with the non-Christian item.

In the final analysis, nobody has been able to prove these things regarding a doctrine of the Catholic faith, or even its officially authorized practices.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

You can pull every article or thought ever written by man, any man, but you will NEVER be able to back the Catholic church by the bible and the anointed holy inspired men of God.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

If people can't find Jesus in a simple gospel like this one, they'll never find him..-

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I agree but that is NOT what you stated, read it again !
The whole of the Word of God is understandable by the Spirit but we are NOT encouraged by any word or apostle to study less or not to study as much.

 

[Illuminator]

You can pull every article or thought ever written by man, any man, but you will NEVER be able to back the Catholic church by the bible and the anointed holy inspired men of God.

 

[rockytopva]

If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

And there are three varieties...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. - 1 John 1:5

Unfortunately, though, the light and the darkness interact here on planet Earth...Comparing the light and the darkness, the opposite of E/c2 would be z (absolute zero)/ c (darkness)...

Natural z/d - Nothing, empty space.
Mental z/d - Again nothing but empty space.
Spiritual z/d - z (laziness, coldness, hatred) / d (fear, despair, greed, sorrow)

A correct spiritual E/c2 is an important ally any faith. Which is why I became a Christian, because I found something of spiritual value.

But… Because the mind and the heart are 16” apart… One can understand doctrine and still miss it spiritually…

“It is the heart which perceives God and not the reason. That is what faith is: God perceived by the heart, not by the reason.” - Blaise Pascal

 

[Illuminator]

You can pull every article or thought ever written by man, any man, but you will NEVER be able to back the Catholic church by the bible and the anointed holy inspired men of God.