Legalism in religion
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Exactly! Salvation is in the repentance, period! Now my faith is followed by my works.
The very first thing I did as new believer was to be water baptized, not to be saved, but to profess my faith in Christ.
True saving faith is never alone. It will always taken action.
Jesus said He who enters the kingdom does so by water and Spirit, John 3:5. Jesus repeats in His great commission that belief and baptism saves, Mark 16:15-16. Jesus never taught ones faith without obedience saves.
Ok, now if faith alone saved you, then it was by faith that you got baptized.
Now, could you be saved if you disobey the commandment to be baptized?
Would you still be saved without good works?
Nicodemus did not understand how one must be born again. He asked Christ, how can this be, can a man enter the womb the second time and be born?
Then Christ told him that one must be born of water (the natural birth) and of the Spirit (the spiritual rebirth).
Did not Paul make it clear? We are saved by Grace through faith, not of ourselves, not of works.
Alright, then your gospel teaches we can dis-obey Gods commandments and still be saved.
Thus, you were saved by a gospel of salvation through disobedience to God.
Faith alone salvation is a gospel that teaches you do not have to obey Gods commandments like water baptism to be saved.
This obviously contradicts the Bible,
1John 1:4
-He who says I know Him and does not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him.
This obviously contradicts the Bible,
1John 1:4
-He who says I know Him and does not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him.
My Gospel teaches me that by faith in Christ I obey the commandments.
That 100% faith in Christ gives the Holy Spirit the legal latitude to "fulfill the righteousness of the Law in us."
Rom. 8:4
"That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
Titus, I don't walk this Christian life in my flesh, by doing this or that. By my faith in Christ alone, I allow the Holy Spirit to guide me in righteousness. It's not my doing, but the doing of the Holy Spirit in me through my faith In Christ.
Christ fulfilled the Law perfectly, He earned the righteousness of the Law. That righteousness that He earned is freely given to me by faith alone. I am perfect in the sight of God, not by anything that I have done, but by pure faith in Christ.
Let me show you something, Titus.
1 John 3:22-24
"And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us."
Do you see that John combines all of the commandments into 2 commandments?
Believe on Christ and love one another!
The commandments are kept by us through the Holy Spirit, not of ourselves, not of our doing, but His doing through us.
The requirement for this is faith in Christ and to love one another, and He will take care of the rest!
Two commandments? You are then saying God does not require us to love Him in order for God to save us.
You give two commandments as the ONLY requirements in salvation.
Again that means all other commandments God gives us can be dis-obeyed.
Believe in Jesus. You say required commandment.
Love others. You say required commandment.
You left out our love for God to be saved?
Do you really believe we do not have to love God to be saved?
If so,
Your salvation gospel is a loveless gospel.
For we are saved by only belief in Him and no love for Him, James 2:19.
God will not save anyone based on two of His commandments only.
John 14:21,
-He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me.
and he who loves Me will be loved by My Father and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.
24 -he who does not love Me does not keep my words and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Fathers who sent Me.
So we learn that love according to Gods definition is obedience to His commandments.
Therefore those who teach they will be saved without keeping all of Jesus' gospel are trying to be saved by a loveless faith.
God requires our love to save us.
1John 5:3,
-For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
1Corinthians 16:22,
-If anyone does not love the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be accursed. O, Lord come!
WOW! How ridiculous can a conversation become?
The legal mind will do legal things, they can't help it, they must find a way to earn their salvation.
They will find that Grace has eluded them. Simple faith is just not enough!
We are not debating the philosophy of Charlie24.
We are dealing with how Jesus in His Inspired word teaches how one is saved. Bible doctrine.
Faith alone salvation plainly contradicts the Bible,
James 2:24,
-You see then that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Faith only salvation is saved by a,
Loveless faith
Dead faith
Disobedient faith.
Hebrews 5:8-9,
-though He was a Son, yet He learned obedience by the things which He suffered.
-and having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.
Obeying Jesus is not legalism.
It is love for Jesus, John 14:21-24 ; 1John 5:3 ;
1John 1:4,
-he who says I know Him and does not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him.
Being that Paul made a definite statement (multiple times) that salvation is in no way by works, we must conclude that James is referring to works as the proof of our salvation. In other words, proper faith in Christ will bring forth proper works.
That is found in his statement, "show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
There is no doubt that faith and works do work together! But the works cannot come until faith has first come!
This was the case with Abraham, the works that he did were because of the faith he already had.
But I can let it go, no one can argue with the legalist that demands salvation by works.
Paul never taught faith by disobedience to God only believe.
Paul taught God only accepts those who obey Him.
True Biblical saving faith believes and obeys.
Paul teaches in
Romans we are not saved by the works of the law of Moses, Romans 4.
That same Paul in the same book said the law of Christ must be obeyed in order to be saved,
Acts 10:35,
-but in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.
Paul taught the only kind of faith that profits is a faith that works through love.
Galatians 5:6,
-for in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything but faith working in love.
Paul and James condemn a loveless disobedient faith only salvation.
It was nice to meet you, Titus! Wish it could have been better circumstances.
May the Lord bless you in His truth! There is no greater blessing than that!
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Sorry. The gospel does not include water baptism because Paul makes a distinction between the gospel and baptism In 1 Corinthians 1:17.
While baptism is a requirement of our faith, and the just shall live by faith, Peter makes it clear that baptism does not save us in putting away the filth of the flesh (Sin or the sin nature) but it is an answer of having a good and clean conscience towards God already (See: 1 Peter 3:21). Notice how Philip was not concerned with getting the eunuch saved by baptism. It was only the eunuch who suggested to be baptized. Obeying the gospel in 2 Thessalonians 1:8 appears to be this in context:
10 “…in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day. 11 …that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power:” (2 Thessalonians 1:10-11).
The gospel is 1 Corinthians 15:1-10. While believing that Christ died for our sins, he was buried, and he was risen the third day is the gospel (1-4); Laboring according to the grace of God is also a part of the gospel (Because it is all one continuous thought) (verse 10). But Paul did not baptize everyone. So this means that the great commission for the disciples to baptize others was for them and or select disciples God chooses. For if baptism was something all Christians must administer to all, then Paul would have said that.
Being baptized is done so as to show the LIKENESS of Christ’s death (Romans 6). While walking in newness of life (walking righteously) is the LIKENESS of the resurrection (Romans 6). So baptism symbolizes our death with Christ according to Romans 6. One has already died with Christ by the two spiritual baptisms they receive when they receive Jesus Christ as their Savior. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the LORD shall be saved.
Also, the Spirit came upon Cornelius to show that they were saved by God’s grace (The New Covenant way). This also happened in Acts 19:1-7, as well.
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1Corinthians 15:1-4 is Jesus' gospel.
Also
Jesus' gospel is Mark 16:15-16.
You taught me baptism is not a commandment that must be obeyed to be saved.
You claim the Holy Spirit does the commandment keeping, it is not us, not of our doing.
Therefore when a believer does not keep Gods commandments it is Gods fault not mans.
This is done to take the responsibility of obedience off of the man.
Again this reaffirms that faith only salvation is salvation by disobedience.
Charlie24, you have contradicted yourself.
You claimed saved by faith only.
Then you taught me you must obey the commandment to believe in Jesus, 1John 3:23-24.
That is not salvation by faith only.
That is salvation by faith and works(obedience) to Gods command.
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