You’re infinite & eternal (immortal) already.
You twist what‘s said to fit personal beliefs, unaware of the truth, purporting nonetheless.
Understanding The Resurrection To Come
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You twist what‘s said to fit personal beliefs, unaware of the truth, purporting nonetheless.
Firstly, you need to learn how to properly quote someone. How you quoted me does not show anything about the topic I was discussing.
My subject, the part of what I wrote that you failed... to quote, is about how many don't fully understand about the resurrection, and especially about the "resurrection of damnation", even with those rejecting what Jesus said in John 5:28-29.
Not yet.
We must... continue in the Faith all the way to the end during this present world, and then either at our flesh death, or the day Jesus returns, that is when our soul will put on immortality in Christ Jesus.
That is what Apostle Paul was pointing to when he said this...
Rom 8:1
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
KJV
Can we mess up still while alive in this present world and not... walk after The Spirit? Yes, which is why we MUST stay the course, and keep The Faith all the way to the end, either to when we die, or Christ's coming, whichever occurs first.
This gives me better understanding of the doctrine you are espousing here, and what you lack understanding of.
When reading this passage from John 5 you must consider the hour that is coming with the hour that now is "when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live." If you don't understand the hour that now is for "the dead" to hear the Son of God and they that hear shall live, then you will never understand the first resurrection to life from death is NOT physical, but spiritual.
Christ tells us this when he says, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." Christ is speaking to those alive, not the dead, yet He says unless they hear His Word and believe they are DEAD! How are they DEAD Davy? Do you think Christ is speaking to physically dead bodies Davy? And telling the physically dead they must hear His Word (Gospel) and believe to have everlasting life?
I agree, there will be only ONE physical resurrection of those in the graves who will ALL (both good & evil) hear His voice and come out of the grave physically resurrected for everlasting life, or physically resurrected for damnation at the GWT.
What you don't seem to understand is the "first resurrection" that comes in TIME of which the thousand years is. In the first resurrection those having part in it have lived and reigned with Christ in TIME or shall in TIME live with Christ. Therefore, the first resurrection is not the physical resurrection of the dead in the graves that will be of both those who have done good and those who have done evil.
You fail to make any distinction between the first resurrection in TIME, and the physical resurrection that shall be when TIME shall be no more. Paul is not ONLY speaking of the physical resurrection of ALL in the graves when time shall be no more in 1Cor 15. Paul goes into great detail explaining how death of those who are of faith is not the end for them. Paul answers the question about the kind of body the dead will be raised in when the man of faith physically dies. There would be no question about the kind of body believers shall have when they are physically resurrected from the graves.
Paul says, "In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." The dead Paul speaks of here are the physically dead believers who are part of ALL that shall be physically resurrected when the last trumpet sounds time shall be no more. Immortality and incorruption will only be given to those of faith. The rest of the physically dead in the graves will be resurrected to damnation, so they will not be changed to immortal and incorruptible body of flesh.
Before speaking of the physical resurrection, Paul also explains what kind of body those who physically die in faith receive when their body dies and is buried. These who die in faith have in life partaken of the first resurrection which is partaking of the resurrection life through Christ. They are indwelt with the life-giving Spirit, having been born again, or born from above and according to Christ they can never die. Therefore, when their body dies, Paul says the natural, physical body that dies is raised a spiritual body, because there is both a natural body and a spiritual body and the two are not the same. After physical death the believer is raised a spiritual body because he/she will ascend to the kingdom of God in heaven where corruptible flesh and blood cannot inherit.
1 Corinthians 15:35 (KJV) But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come?
1 Corinthians 15:43-44 (KJV) It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1 Corinthians 15:45-50 (KJV) And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
After physical death believers become spirit beings, as are the angels in heaven. This is how John is able to see people martyred for their faith in heaven after they have physically died. And he tells us they are there because in TIME (a thousand years) they lived and reigned with Christ by having part in the first resurrection through Him. Because God is NOT the God of the dead but is God of the living.
Matthew 22:28-32 (KJV) Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her. Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
There is a difference you fail to understand between a natural body and a spiritual body. We are NOT physically resurrected into a spiritual body. It is our physical body that is mortal and corruptible, not our spirit. When we are in Christ our sprit possesses eternal life through His Spirit in us. When ALL the physically dead are resurrected when the last trumpet sounds, those who have done evil are not resurrected and make immortal and incorruptible. Those who have done evil are physically resurrected to stand before God at the GWT. While believers are before the GWT also, we are there clothed in immortal and incorruptible bodies, but those having done evil are before the GWT clothed in mortal, corruptible bodies destined to death.
That of course is just your... opinion. I don't presume that you understand anything that I've written.
God's Word often... gives different timelines with a chapter, and even sometimes within a single verse. So I'm surprised you don't know this.
In John 5:25, with the phrase, "The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live," is about the 1 Peter 3 & 1 Peter 4 "spirits in prison" event that happened at Christ's resurrection. The evidence of Christ's preaching The Gospel to the dead, and bringing those who believed out of Satan's pit prison house, was recorded in the Matthew 27:52-53 Scripture. That is the 'voice' being spoken of for that time of His resurrection, His preaching The Gospel to the dead per 1 Peter 4...
1 Peter 4:6
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV
But in John 5:28-29, that is for the time of His FUTURE COMING when the general resurrection is to happen, at the END of this present world...
John 5:28-29
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
KJV
It was the only relevant part. ‘Men’s traditions’ as you say, in regard to resurrection carry on because what the human body literally & actually is, goes un-inspected. Not what’s said or believed, not anything that’s learned, and not any conjecture or assumptions, but fully, absolutely inspected.
Neither acceptance or rejection supplement inspection.
To what end ye inspect, entirely up to ye - but verily unto ye I say again - already.
You’re already immortal. This is verifiable in direct experience now.
NO, Davy you are in error once again because you refuse to acknowledge Jo 5:24 which speaks of the hour that now is. John shows us how those who are spiritually dead in trespasses and sins while ALIVE in TIME on this earth can hear His Word (Gospel) and believe in the hour that NOW is. And all who hear and believe shall not be condemned but have passed from DEATH (spiritual death) unto life. Why? Because to hear and believe His Word is to have part in the first resurrection that is the resurrection life of Christ Who is the first to be resurrected from the dead to die no more.
John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
Welcome to my IGNORE LIST, it would be a JOKE to try and continue any logical conversation with such chaotic speech and obvious mocking intentions.
I don't care if I'm put on someone's ignore list. That will not prevent me from replying against doctrine I can prove from Scripture is unbiblical.
Robert Gwin
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Robert Gwin
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That is what satan told Eve sir, but I and history tend to agree with Jehovah view. What year were you born sir, if you are over 120 yrs old I would like to know.
No, It isn’t.
The “serpent” said:
“You will not surely die” (if you eat the fruit).
“For God knows that in the day you eat of it, your eyes will be opened and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
You & the snake share the same view. The difference is the snake was aware of it’s deception. That’s just how ye delusional snakes roll, and there’s nothing wrong or bad about it.
God doesn’t know any thing.
Namely, good & evil.
God is self-knowing, and occasionally deluded via forgetting that it is, self-knowing - knowing only of itself.
The conceptual isn’t relevant, at all.
Only how the discordant interpretations feel is relevant.
Then you should... be able to grasp that the only part left after flesh death of the wicked is their spirit with soul, and that is what will go into the future "lake of fire", just as it also is the same parts with what goes into the "lake of fire" regarding Satan and his angels.
Robert Gwin
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And who was the serpent Phil? I rest my case sir, now compare it to what Jehovah said, and that actually happened, or show me where Adam and Eve live, and then you can rest your case sir.
Robert Gwin
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Because the symbolic lake of fire is so misunderstood, we can be very thankful God chose to define it in both places where it occurs in His word. It means the second death, or permanent death sir. Everything cast into it is gone forever. Although they are not literally burned, such as you cannot burn death and hell, but at that point death is no more Rev 21:4, so fittingly hell is no longer necessary as no one goes there to await a resurrection any more, and death has ceased to exist.
The serpent isn’t a who, it’s just a character in a story aimed at helping the realization there isn’t duality, or good & evil. Like the Devil, Satan, Jehovah, Phil & Robert.
