King James Version Only...?

[Wrangler]

I have never advocated for King James Only. I’m being blasted on another thread for liking the NKJV and the NET

Well, as long as you are being blasted. That is the important thing!



(joke)

 

[Wrangler]

THAT KIND OF RESPONSE, AND WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN SO FAR, VERIFIES FOR ME THAT YOU ARE HERE TO 'PUSH' THE HIGHER CRITICISM OF THOSE BEHIND THE CORRUPT 'CRITICAL TEXT', AND THAT YOU ARE MERELY HIDING WHAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY ABOUT, I.E., A DECEIVER.

"Those who are most enslaved are those who falsely believe they are free." Goethe

In my experience, most people do not primarily lie to other. They primarily lie to themselves.

 

[Wrangler]

if she’s been unfaithful she has a miscarriage. The KJV says nothing about being pregnant and says her belly will swell and her thigh will rot if she has been unfaithful. I think the translators of the NIV and the Voice took a lot of liberty here.

In defense of the VOICE, and another thought translation, CEV, it says she won't be able to have children any more. This is the meaning of the literal word from ESV, cursed or the manner of manifestation of the curse. Neither translation says she is pregnant or will miscarry (upon drinking the potion).

 

[Adam]

No. Not at all. Not sure where you get the idea. If peple cannot understand KJV, they are not going even read it, let alone feel the weight and wisdom of the words. I don't know why you can't understand this!

If NIV or ESV or whatever you prefer, works for you, then it works for you. I just don't understand why someone would consider KJV "unreadable". We all read Shakespeare in highschool. I posted Proverbs 1 as an example and nobody was able to find any verse in it which was incomprehensible. But if it is so upsetting to you, then go read any Bible you want.

 

[Wrangler]

If NIV or ESV or whatever you prefer, works for you, then it works for you. I just don't understand why someone would consider KJV "unreadable"

It doesn't matter if you understand. What matters is that you respect it.

We all read Shakespeare in highschool

False comparison. Shakespeare wrote in Middle English. Jesus did not speak Middle English.

My question to KJV-only folks is what is more important to you:
A. Force as many people as possible to read your preferred translation?
B. Bring people to Christ?

Please answer what is more important to you, A or B?

 

[Davy]

If NIV or ESV or whatever you prefer, works for you, then it works for you. I just don't understand why someone would consider KJV "unreadable". We all read Shakespeare in highschool. I posted Proverbs 1 as an example and nobody was able to find any verse in it which was incomprehensible. But if it is so upsetting to you, then go read any Bible you want.

I'm not as lenient, having understood the attempted corruptions by the higher critics, and their corrupt Critical Text based on corrupt un-documented Greek manuscripts.

Nor is this some supposed "KJV only" argument like deceivers push, because there are many other English Bible translations that ALSO used the same Majority Greek text that the King James translators used.

Thus there is no reason to sugar coat this and say it's OK for others to use whatever Bible 'works for them'. How are they going to understand if those other Bible versions are working for them? True study in God's Word is not like 'shopping' for a Church, like, "Oh, I don't like this one, let's try that other Church down the road, and on..., and on...", until they find a Church that preaches what they like! The only right way to look for the proper Church is to get understanding in God's Word from Him first. Then one will know what is His true Church vs. the Beth-Avens (houses of vanity).

 

[Wrangler]

I'm not as lenient

Who the hell are you to be strict or lenient regarding what translation people read?

 

[Jim B]

Numbers 5:11-31 in the NIV and the Voice ( I think that’s right, going from memory). In those versions the Preist gives the woman a drink with dust from the Holy place and if she’s been unfaithful she has a miscarriage. The KJV says nothing about being pregnant and says her belly will swell and her thigh will rot if she has been unfaithful. I think the translators of the NIV and the Voice took a lot of liberty here. Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 5:11-31 - New International Version

A miscarriage is not an abortion. Also, this is an extensive section from the OT law, none of which applies to Christians.

It is irrelevant if you think that the translators of the NIV and the Voice took a lot of liberty here. What are your Biblical translation qualifications?

 

[Keturah]

Yes, me and millions like me. For decade the KJV-only crowd kept me from even reading the Bible.

Sad and sorry excuse.
God will judge all we say, do, not do, or think for his records are perfect !

 

[RLT63]

THAT KIND OF RESPONSE, AND WHAT YOU HAVE WRITTEN SO FAR, VERIFIES FOR ME THAT YOU ARE HERE TO 'PUSH' THE HIGHER CRITICISM OF THOSE BEHIND THE CORRUPT 'CRITICAL TEXT', AND THAT YOU ARE MERELY HIDING WHAT YOU ARE ACTUALLY ABOUT, I.E., A DECEIVER.

That response was a joke. Ease up you don’t have to be a prude 24 hours a day

 

[RLT63]

A miscarriage is not an abortion. Also, this is an extensive section from the OT law, none of which applies to Christians.

It is irrelevant if you think that the translators of the NIV and the Voice took a lot of liberty here. What are your Biblical translation qualifications?

I have a degree in Biblical Studies but that has nothing to do with translating scripture. I don’t need a scholar to show me what I can read for myself. If I give someone something to drink and it causes a miscarriage that is an abortion, especially when that is reason for giving the drink. Ever heard of the morning after pill?

 

[Keturah]

That response was a joke. Ease up you don’t have to be a prude 24 hours a day

Lol it's like folks are so wound up in trying to save God's kingdom they are gonna burst a blood vessel in their brain...lol lol lol.

How silly to have it all backwards. WE NEED HIM AND HIS HELP, HE DOESNT NEED OURS !

 

[RLT63]

Well, as long as you are being blasted. That is the important thing!



(joke)

Now Davy is calling me names for telling a joke and you are liking his post

 

[Jim B]

Verse 7 is the basis for the inclusion of verse 4. I can read it for myself and don’t need some scholar to tell me why it should be excluded. The plain reading of the passage begs for the inclusion of part of verse 3 and all of verse 4 that many translations omit.

Yeah, what do scholars who have devoted their careers to Bible translation know? The "plain reading " is in your mind only. Guess whom I believe, you or qualified scholars?

 

[Adam]

It doesn't matter if you understand. What matters is that you respect it.

Go read any Bible you want. I prefer KJV. I don't have any problem with reading Middle English so it doesn't bother me. I find it to be the most artistic rendition and therefore most inspired. If I give someone a Bible, I would want them to have the most beautiful rendition of the Bible I can give them, so I give them a KJV. If they are stumped (for some reason) at reading it, they can get another translation, but you can keep the KJV as a work of art in its own right and go back to it when you're more comfortable.

 

[Jim B]

I have a degree in Biblical Studies but that has nothing to do with translating scripture. I don’t need a scholar to show me what I can read for myself. If I give someone something to drink and it causes a miscarriage that is an abortion, especially when that is reason for giving the drink. Ever heard of the morning after pill?

Your comment -- " I don’t need a scholar to show me what I can read for myself." -- says it all. Believe your own mind, not scholarship! Very sound principle -- not!

 

[RLT63]

In defense of the VOICE, and another thought translation, CEV, it says she won't be able to have children any more. This is the meaning of the literal word from ESV, cursed or the manner of manifestation of the curse. Neither translation says she is pregnant or will miscarry (upon drinking the potion).

The Voice does say she will have a miscarriage. Bible Gateway passage: Numbers 5:11-31 - The Voice

 

[Jim B]

Go read any Bible you want. I prefer KJV. I don't have any problem with reading Middle English so it doesn't bother me. I find it to be the most artistic rendition and therefore most inspired. If I give someone a Bible, I would want them to have the most beautiful rendition of the Bible I can give them, so I give them a KJV. If they are stumped (for some reason) at reading it, they can get another translation, but you can keep the KJV as a work of art in its own right and go back to it when you're more comfortable.

An artistic rendition should not be the criterion for choosing the best translation. An accurate translation should be the most important factor. Period.

If I give someone a Bible, I would want them to have the most accurate rendition of the Bible. Don't confuse beautiful prose with accuracy!

 

[RLT63]

Your comment -- " I don’t need a scholar to show me what I can read for myself." -- says it all. Believe your own mind, not scholarship! Very sound principle -- not!

Scholars gave us the translation in question

 

[Jim B]

Scholars gave us the translation in question

Scholars gave us every translation, including the KJV. I mean, really!