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BreadOfLife

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Acts 9
4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I am Jesus whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.

No church there.

Colossians 1
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

He is the Head of the Church.


Did you forget to take your meds?
Ummmmm, WHO or WHAT was Saul persecuting?
Answer: The CHURCH.

Jesus asks him, "Why are you persecuting ME?
I am JESUS, whom you are persecuting
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He compares His very SELF with His Church.
This isn't Rocket Science, Einstein . . .
 

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Ummmmm, WHO or WHAT was Saul persecuting?
Answer: The CHURCH.

Jesus asks him, "Why are you persecuting ME?
I am JESUS, whom you are persecuting
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He compares His very SELF with His Church.
This isn't Rocket Science, Einstein . . .
You should see your doctor and get him to change your meds.

The ones you're on aren't working.
 

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[36] Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.
[37] And he took with him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and began to be sorrowful and very heavy.
[38] Then saith he unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death: tarry ye here, and watch with me.

No need to enforce your belief, already abundantly clear.
Best you stick with your master-craft reputation of your derogatory name calling and accusations. LOL
Too complicated for you, huh?
Ummmm,m you conveniently left out this part:Luke 22:41
He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them
, knelt down and prayed


This was NOT a "teaching" event - but one of solemn, private prayer.

Soooooo if ALL repetitious prayer is "forbidden" - WHY wasn't it forbidden for Jesus (Matt. 26:44) or ALL of the other examples in Scripture that I gave you (Luke 18:7, Luke 18:13, Rev. 4, Psalm 136)?
 
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In other words - Acts 9:4-5 went WAY over your head.
That's what I thought . . .
Since the pope is claimed to be Christ on the earth, and the visible head of the church, then Paul must have been persecuting the pope, right?
 
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All the names which in the Scripture are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, De Conciliorum Auctoriatate (On the Authority of the Councils) Bk 2, chap. 17 Bellarmine (1542-1621)

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Thus the pope is claimed to be:
Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
Another malicious LIE.

Debate: The Anti-Catholic “Pope as God” Argument [1-1-99]
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the Marriage Supper of the Lamb will certainly be the ultimate feast.

'This is My Body, take and eat'
'This is My Blood, take and drink'

The Bread of Life, the Cup of Salvation.. the ultimate Feast indeed!

Not to feed our bellies but to feed our souls and to be intimately united with the Groom!

"For this reason a man shall leave (his) father and (his) mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."

This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church.


All are welcome! To come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum
 

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Did Bellarmine claim what I quoted, or did he not?

NO POPE has ever publicly renounced it.

EVERY POPE has therefore believed it.
 
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'This is My Body, take and eat'
'This is My Blood, take and drink'

The Bread of Life, the Cup of Salvation.. the ultimate Feast indeed!

Not to feed our bellies but to feed our souls and to be intimately united with the Groom!

"For this reason a man shall leave (his) father and (his) mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh."

This is a great mystery, but I speak in reference to Christ and the church.

All are welcome! To come to the wedding Feast of the Lamb of God!

Pax et Bonum
Still waiting for the Scripture describing the Lord's Supper as a "feast". That Scripture does not exist.

The Marriage Supper will be the ultimate spiritual feast as we will be spiritual beings.
 

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No lies whatsoever, Mary doesn't intercede as Mediatrix, nor does she bring the gift of eternal salvation, a Catholic heretical lie!

The Catholic Church Teaches Heresy, Just As The Catholic Catechism Below Shows, Mary Doesn't Bring Eternal Salvation "Heresy"!

Romans 10:9-10KJV
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

(Catholic Catechism)

969 "This motherhood of Mary in the order of grace continues uninterruptedly from the consent which she loyally gave at the Annunciation and which she sustained without wavering beneath the cross, until the eternal fulfillment of all the elect. Taken up to heaven she did not lay aside this saving office but by her manifold intercession continues to bring us the gifts of eternal salvation … Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked in the Church under the titles of Advocate, Helper, Benefactress, and Mediatrix."
In other words the Catechism talks out of both sides of it's mouth. While you can present this truth from a Catholic source, illuminator presents a declaration of mitigation. One can likely find such contradictions in the Catechism for every Catholic doctrine. Best to stay with scripture than rely on the 'infallible' word of mortal sinful men.
 
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ALL you would have is the lying drivel vomited out by your foundress, Elle White
You no doubt have some copies of her many books in your library, and you have studied them assiduously to determine whether or not she is a liar right? And no doubt you have numerous examples to offer?
 
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This is typical risible heretical RC eisegesis. Locate a Scripture which can be wildly extrapolated, and then attempt to use it to support RC false dogma.

Matthew 18:17-18 deals with church discipline. It in no way cedes Scriptural authority to the church.

Notwithstanding the obvious, for centuries the RC church has claimed to interpret, and attempted to supplant, Scripture; with a vast plethora of pronouncements, declarations, edicts, and dogmas, innumerable of which are alien, and in direct contradiction, to Scripture.

But the Church does not interpret Scripture. The reality is the diametric opposite: Scripture interprets the Church. It is within the pages of Scripture where the Church is born, and lives, and where its ultimate destiny is described. Where interpretive questions arise, the answers can be found in other Scripture, consistent with the principle that Scripture interprets Scripture (Acts 17:11). All Scripture is given by inspiration of God (2 Timothy 3:16). RC emanations are never scripture.

Thank God for the Reformation, and for Sola Scriptura, which returned God's Word to its rightful place of preeminence.

Luke 24:45
Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

John 5:39
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

Acts 17:11
These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.

Romans 15:4
For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.

Galatians 3:22
But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

2 Timothy 3:15
And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

John 14:26
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Amen.
 
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The idea that is was the “Superior” diocese is supported by the writings of the Early Church Fathers .
By the way, Einstein - The following testimonies were written LONG before Constantine was even born. . .
Nonsense. Absolute unadulterated garbage, and your arrogance and presumption that others here are ignorant of the truth, that you can post this and think it. 'educates ' others here who know their history, is the pinnacle of pride and presumption.
Bishops presiding over towns on Rome's doorstep, eg Milan constantly debated, rejected, and denied numerous teachings that emanated from the pompous bishops of Rome. The altered dates regarding the celebration of Easter... The extreme creeds that demanded the acceptance and obedience to Roman authority regarding the trinity, the enforced observance of Sunday above that of the Sabbath.... They being major planks of Christian doctrine. Unity? Acceptance of a superior bishop?
 
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Another DODGE?

I have asked you THREE times now to substantiate your idiotic fallacy that the Catholic Church ONLY wanted the Bible in Latin so nobody could read it.
The fact that you redirected this entire conversation to frevisionist fairytales about St. Patrick shows your utter desperation.
The fairy tales were of Catholic origin, and were used to justify claims of Patrick being a Catholic. He wasn't. He was Celtic. As were generations before him. Which is not a dodge, but the answer to your claims that all churches were Catholic, or dissident. The Celtic church was not Catholic, nor dissident, it was apostolic, receiving the gospel through Celtic relations who had colonized Asia minor 300 years before Christ, who had received the gospel from Paul, before he ever had set foot in Rome, and therefore proves the churches he established, and those such as the Celtic church in Britain, the churches in France, and India and Assyria and the far east and elsewhere that grew as a result of missionary efforts by those same churches... And not Rome... And thus were apostolic, and the fruit of the apostles.
 
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The idea that is was the “Superior” diocese is supported by the
Not was superior , but became superior. And not because those in Rome were more in touch with God, or more learned, or wiser, or better informed of scripture, but because they were more politically astute, and had the ear of secular rulers such as Justinian who would send armies to destroy those whom the bishops of Rome disliked. So Rome was superior, but only because it had more power, and used it to compel obedience and subjection.
 
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- Ignatius understood that the OFFICE of the Holy See - and not the individual occupying that office is what is MOST important.
Which incidentally, is why the office, and by extension the institution that officiates over it, and not the individual, is referenced as the Antichrist in scripture.
 

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Too complicated for you, huh?
Ummmm,m you conveniently left out this part:Luke 22:41
He withdrew about a stone’s throw beyond them
, knelt down and prayed


This was NOT a "teaching" event - but one of solemn, private prayer.

Soooooo if ALL repetitious prayer is "forbidden" - WHY wasn't it forbidden for Jesus (Matt. 26:44) or ALL of the other examples in Scripture that I gave you (Luke 18:7, Luke 18:13, Rev. 4, Psalm 136)?

Freewill...
Pray the same rehearsed prayer over and over for decades TO a dead woman.
Bow down before Representative statues of A dead woman.
Call a Created dead woman Gods Mother.
Carry on with your negative teaching and accusations.
No one expects anything different from you.

Jesus bowed TO the Living God.
Jesus prayed TO the Living God.
Jesus Taught to Pray TO the Father IN Heaven FOR the Living.

You are content with worldly teaching in contrast to Gods teachings.
Bowing down before statues is Worshiping that image.
Praying to the dead is petitioning the dead.

God has no Mother.
The Lord has no Queen.
Earthly humans have natural earthly parents.
God is the Creator.
Gods Word is the Maker.
Gods Christ is the Power.
The Earth is Gods depicted Woman, she, her.
Out of the Earth, By Gods Pleasure He Created man-kind.
Out of the Earth, Through Gods Word He Made man-kind Alive.
Out of the Earth, Of Gods Power He Keeps SOME of man-Kind Alive Forever.

God established our highest Example of a Faithful earthly man and bestowed a Great Title unto him. His name is Abraham. His Title is “father of many nations”.
Not your men chosen man you call pope, pontiff and father.

Faithful human men and Faith human woman are revealed to be highly blessed By God...it is never taught to Worship them, Petition them after they have bodily died.

Stark difference of your advocation of darkness
and Jesus’ advocation of light.

Freewill is not yours only. No one must agree with you.
 

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All the names which in the Scripture are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, De Conciliorum Auctoriatate (On the Authority of the Councils) Bk 2, chap. 17 Bellarmine (1542-1621)

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Thus the pope is claimed to be:
Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
HE aint alone either . you should see what the false lil god prosperity preach jessie dulpantis said .
HE quoated issiah chapter nine verse six .
He then says the gift JESUS gave to His father means , WE CAN CALL OURSELVES EVERLASTING FATHER , MIGHTY GOD .
That man is bankrupt . This lil god stuff is everywhere .
 

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Thus its no suprise that those lil god prosperity preachers ALL SUPPORT POPE FRANCIS and are selling
this unity lie to their flocks as are many others A
strong delusion has arisen to gather all as one right under a lie .
 
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