Is Michael Another Name For Jesus?

[Adventageous]

Angels are Created Spirits.

Not all.

The word "angel" simply means 'messenger, ambassador (coming on behalf of someone else), that which carries a message (from or for another)'. The word (in English, Hebrew (mal'ak) or koine Greek (aggelos)) carries no inherent definition of nature (created or uncreated). it only carries the meaning of messenger, as an office, a position, not a nature.

Malachi 3:1, among other texts, demonstrates that the Son of God, is called "angel" by the Holy Ghost Himself through Malachi.

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Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.​

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Mal 3:1 הנני שׁלח מלאכי ופנה־דרך לפני ופתאם יבוא אל־היכלו האדון אשׁר־אתם מבקשׁים ומלאך הברית אשׁר־אתם חפצים הנה־בא אמר יהוה צבאות׃​

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Mal 3:1 ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ ἐξαποστέλλω τὸν ἄγγελόν μου, καὶ ἐπιβλέψεται ὁδὸν πρὸ προσώπου μου, καὶ ἐξαίφνης ἥξει εἰς τὸν ναὸν ἑαυτοῦ κύριος, ὃν ὑμεῖς ζητεῖτε, καὶ ὁ ἄγγελος τῆς διαθήκης, ὃν ὑμεῖς θέλετε· ἰδοὺ ἔρχεται, λέγει κύριος παντοκράτωρ.​

The passage you are referring to is found in:

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Psa_104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:​

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Heb_1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.​

Yet the context, speaks to the created messengers (as Gabriel), not to the one who created them, the uncreated Messenger (the Son of the Father, see Colossians 1:16 in that the one "who maketh his angels" is the Son, the uncreated and eternal Angel of the Father, who created on behalf of the Father's will/command). Therefore, there are created 'angels' (messengers, as Gabriel), and uncreated and eternal 'Angels' (Messengers, as The Son of the Father (Revelation 10:1), and the Holy Ghost (Revelation 18:1). Yet, in Hebrews 1:1-3, we see that the Son is the highest messenger for, or on behalf of, the Father. We see that the Son (uncreated and eternal), as a messenger, is identified with the other messengers (created, as Gabriel), when Hebrews 1:9 states that the Son was anointed "above" His "fellows" (context? Hebrews 1:7,14, the other 'angels' (the created messengers, heavenly as Gabriel and human, as Malachi (whose name means 'angel' or messenger')).

The Father has two eternal and uncreated covering messengers (the Son and the Holy Ghost).

The Son has two covering messengers (Gabriel and 'Herald').

The Holy Ghost has two covering messengers (holy angelic hosts and sanctified humanity, or even the Law and the Testimony in a spiritual sense).

 

[Mr E]

Mmm…well, you quoted my post and then said they have reasons. So I replied I didn’t say that they didn’t.

But…. I didn’t say that you said they didn’t.

See the difference?

 

[Mr E]

Mmm…well, you quoted my post

And also— this above is me “quoting.” The other post you pointed to, I merely “replied” to your post.

See the difference? Maybe you can teach your pal how it all works.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

But…. I didn’t say that you said they didn’t.

See the difference?

No, you didnt specifically say that I said they had no reasons. You just said they had reasons. To which I replied, I didn’t say they didn’t have reasons.
I was responding to marks.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

And also— this above is me “quoting.” The other post you pointed to, I merely “replied” to your post.

See the difference? Maybe you can teach your pal how it all works.

Yes. You replied to my post by saying they had their reasons. So I replied, I never said they didn’t.

 

[Mr E]

Yes. You replied to my post by saying they had their reasons. So I replied, I never said they didn’t.

Hey. It’s okay to bristle when someone rubs you wrong. It’s just that flesh you put under your feet kicking up dust.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Hey. It’s okay to bristle when someone rubs you wrong. It’s just that flesh you put under your feet kicking up dust.

I’m very calm. i realize you perceive I have bristled but I haven’t. I’m okay with you thinking I have, but I haven’t.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Quite a mixture of truth and church fancy you have there!
Is you Triune God there when a child, or woman is raped?

For instance, I could have replied by asking, well, where is your NONtriune god when someone is abused? But then we would have been discussing a triune vs. a nontriune God. Do you see what I mean? So you are trying to provoke the banned discussion.

 

[Taken]

Not all.

The word "angel" simply means 'messenger, ambassador (coming on behalf of someone else), that which carries a message (from or for another)'. The word (in English, Hebrew (mal'ak) or koine Greek (aggelos)) carries no inherent definition of nature (created or uncreated). it only carries the meaning of messenger, as an office, a position, not a nature.

Malachi 3:1, among other texts, demonstrates that the Son of God, is called "angel" by the Holy Ghost Himself through Malachi.

​

Mal 3:1 Behold, I will send my messenger, and he shall prepare the way before me: and the Lord, whom ye seek, shall suddenly come to his temple, even the messenger of the covenant, whom ye delight in: behold, he shall come, saith the LORD of hosts.​

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Mal 3:1 הנני שׁלח מלאכי ופנה־דרך לפני ופתאם יבוא אל־היכלו האדון אשׁר־אתם מבקשׁים ומלאך הברית אשׁר־אתם חפצים הנה־בא אמר יהוה צבאות׃​

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Mal 3:1 ἰδοὺ ἐγὼ ἐξαποστέλλω τὸν ἄγγελόν μου, καὶ ἐπιβλέψεται ὁδὸν πρὸ προσώπου μου, καὶ ἐξαίφνης ἥξει εἰς τὸν ναὸν ἑαυτοῦ κύριος, ὃν ὑμεῖς ζητεῖτε, καὶ ὁ ἄγγελος τῆς διαθήκης, ὃν ὑμεῖς θέλετε· ἰδοὺ ἔρχεται, λέγει κύριος παντοκράτωρ.​

The passage you are referring to is found in:

​

Psa_104:4 Who maketh his angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire:​

​

Heb_1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.​

Yet the context, speaks to the created messengers (as Gabriel), not to the one who created them, the uncreated Messenger (the Son of the Father, see Colossians 1:16 in that the one "who maketh his angels" is the Son, the uncreated and eternal Angel of the Father, who created on behalf of the Father's will/command). Therefore, there are created 'angels' (messengers, as Gabriel), and uncreated and eternal 'Angels' (Messengers, as The Son of the Father (Revelation 10:1), and the Holy Ghost (Revelation 18:1). Yet, in Hebrews 1:1-3, we see that the Son is the highest messenger for, or on behalf of, the Father. We see that the Son (uncreated and eternal), as a messenger, is identified with the other messengers (created, as Gabriel), when Hebrews 1:9 states that the Son was anointed "above" His "fellows" (context? Hebrews 1:7,14, the other 'angels' (the created messengers, heavenly as Gabriel and human, as Malachi (whose name means 'angel' or messenger')).

The Father has two eternal and uncreated covering messengers (the Son and the Holy Ghost).

The Son has two covering messengers (Gabriel and 'Herald').

The Holy Ghost has two covering messengers (holy angelic hosts and sanctified humanity, or even the Law and the Testimony in a spiritual sense).

Creation...includes angels. What they are assigned to do...irrelevant regarding IF they were created or Not.

No part of God was Created....period.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Mr E]

I’m very calm. i realize you perceive I have bristled but I haven’t. I’m okay with you thinking I have, but I haven’t.

Ok good. Great.

Sometimes I just like to stir the pot.

 

[Taken]

Quite a mixture of truth and church fancy you have there!
Is you Triune God there when a child, or woman is raped?

There? Sure ... omnipresent

You didn’t know God is omnipresent?

 

[Nancy]

Quite a mixture of truth and church fancy you have there!
Is you Triune God there when a child, or woman is raped?

Yet another report has been filed on your obvious disregard for the present forum rules:

"This is the second time he has tried to provoke talk of the trinity."

I am publicly giving you yet another warning and will let the Admin deal with this. @Angelina @lforrest perhaps you can do something here? Thanks!

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Quite a mixture of truth and church fancy you have there!
Is you Triune God there when a child, or woman is raped?

"This is the second time he has tried to provoke talk of the trinity."
Actually @stunnedbygrace, I believe it is more than twice.

@FactsPlease , you are intentionally violating the new rules on this forum. I will send this on to @Angelina and @lforrest take further action.

 

[Adventageous]

Creation...includes angels. What they are assigned to do...irrelevant regarding IF they were created or Not.

No part of God was Created....period.

Glory to God,
Taken

I just showed you that not all "angels" are created, from scripture. What I get in return to that, is 'you' making a statement, not found in scripture.

The second part is merely a statement to bolster a position which was never questioned. In other words, I never stated that God, or as you say "No part of God", is or was "created". I specifically, in several instances stated that the Son (and also Holy Ghost) is/are, eternal and uncreated 'angels' (messengers, holding that office or position, to be as messengers for the Father, and in the case of the Holy Ghost, also a messenger for the Son).

By attempting to reduce Michael to a mere created being, is not "Glory to God", but as your name means, actually is something "Taken" from God's glory, because the name Michael carries specific meaning to God's character. The name of the Son, in Heaven (Michael), reveals something about the character of the Father, for where the Son is, He is the 'express image' of the Father, and is the Father's "presence".

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I just showed you that not all "angels" are created, from scripture. What I get in return to that, is 'you' making a statement, not found in scripture.

The second part is merely a statement to bolster a position which was never questioned. In other words, I never stated that God, or as you say "No part of God", is or was "created". I specifically, in several instances stated that the Son (and also Holy Ghost) is/are, eternal and uncreated 'angels' (messengers, holding that office or position, to be as messengers for the Father, and in the case of the Holy Ghost, also a messenger for the Son).

By attempting to reduce Michael to a mere created being, is not "Glory to God", but as your name means, actually is something "Taken" from God's glory, because the name Michael carries specific meaning to God's character. The name of the Son, in Heaven (Michael), reveals something about the character of the Father, for where the Son is, He is the 'express image' of the Father, and is the Father's "presence".

So…is it your thought that praying in the name of Michael is good or acceptable?

 

[Nancy]

Lol. You’re free to state that Jesus is God in flesh. You just can’t debate that He isn’t. Actually, you still can. You just have to go to the area designated for that topic. I think…

Yeah, Unorthodox section...

 

[FactsPlease]

Yet another report has been filed on your obvious disregard for the present forum rules:

"This is the second time he has tried to provoke talk of the trinity."

I am publicly giving you yet another warning and will let the Admin deal with this. @Angelina @lforrest perhaps you can do soething here? Thanks!

It was an illustration to show God isn't 'Omnipresent'. If you want to have people believing everything you say- ban me already. I'll believe it if it's scriptural!​

"This is the second time he has tried to provoke talk of the trinity."
Actually @stunnedbygrace, I believe it is more than twice.

@FactsPlease , you are intentionally violating the new rules on this forum. I will send this on to @Angelina and @lforrest take further action.

 

[FactsPlease]

Yeah, Unorthodox section...

I tried- it would lemme in!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Your argument was that God is not omnipresent?

Can a man hide himself in hiding places so I do not see him?” declares the Lord.
“Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?” declares the Lord.
The eyes of the Lord are in every place, watching the evil and the good.
Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, Even there Your hand will lead me,
And Your right hand will lay hold of me.

 

[FactsPlease]

Your argument was that God is not omnipresent?

Can a man hide himself in hiding places so I do not see him?” declares the Lord.
“Do I not fill the heavens and the earth?” declares the Lord.
The eyes of the Lord are in every place, watching the evil and the good.
Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there;
If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, Even there Your hand will lead me,
And Your right hand will lay hold of me.

Then your answer is YES- your Gods are witnessing children an d children raped.
That's all I need to know.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Then your answer is YES- your Gods are witnessing children an d children raped.
That's all I need to know.

If God could not see everything how could He be a good and fair judge of men?

But see, here once again, you say “your Gods.” What do you mean by that?