The Blasphemers of The Daniel 70th Week
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Spiritual Israelite
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Why do you always spew childish nonsense? Are you able to be an adult at all? Did you somehow miss the references to the Messiah within Daniel 9:24-27? How can you act as if the prophecy has nothing to do with Jesus? You couldn't possibly have less discernment if you tried.
Why do you make STUPID STATEMENTS that ATTEMPT to discredit while showing your BIBLICAL IGNORANCE?
The Daniel 9 Scripture is CLEAR.
Daniel 9:25 and 26 when speaking of ONLY the "threescore and two weeks" is about Messiah The Prince.
But the "prince" that would come to destroy the city and sanctuary is ONLY ABOUT THE ROMAN GENERAL TITUS IN 70 A.D.!
The Daniel 9:27 final "one week", the 70th week, is ONLY FOR THE VERY END OF THIS WORLD, AND IS ABOUT A FALSE MESSIAH that places the "abomination of desolation" IDOL in NEW JEWISH TEMPLE BUILT IN JERUSALEM!
So WHY... are YOU TRYING TO HIDE THAT THE ORTHODOX JEWS TODAY ARE PREPARING TO BUILD ANOTHER TEMPLE IN JERUSALEM? Do you really think those of Islam don't know about that plan yet? What deceptions did your Jewish rabbi tell you to come here and push?
Brethren, take another look at the FALSENESS said above.
He is saying the 70th week prophecy of Daniel 9:24 has NOTHING to do with the Daniel 9:27 verse. I'll SHOW HOW IT MOST CERTAINLY DOES, BELOW...
Here's the 70 Weeks Prophecy in verse 24, FOR and UPON Jerusalem, and her people. That means the JEWS in Jerusalem.
Dan 9:24
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
KJV
The WHOLE 70 weeks period is to accomplish...
1. "to finish the transgression" -- WHAT transgression? The "transgression of desolation"! --
Dan 8:9-12
9 And out of one of them came forth a little horn, which waxed exceeding great, toward the south, and toward the east, and toward the pleasant land.
10 And it waxed great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.
11 Yea, he magnified himself even to the prince of the host, and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away, and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?
KJV
Ah... our Heavenly Father and His Son are just Marvelous! God protects His Word from the FALSE ONES who TRY to change it simply by providing MORE THAN ONE SCRIPTURE WITNESS to a Truth in His Word!! And there it is, the "transgression of desolation" witness, NOT in Daniel 9, but in the Daniel 8 Chapter!!! And did you notice 'who' causes that "transgression of desolation" AND... 'ending of the daily sacrifices'?? It's the "little horn"! Is that Lord Jesus? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
Now look at the little ole' Daniel 9:27 verse about the FINAL 7OTH "one week" of the 70 weeks prophecy...
Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV
There above is the first marker from Daniel 8:11-12 about that "little horn" which tells us he is who causes that sacrifice and the oblation to cease!
Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
KJV
And there is the second event that "little horn" shall do per the Daniel 8:12-13 Scripture! So is that Lord Jesus? Ah... come on, a true Christian should understand ain't no way that is about Lord Jesus! Instead, Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:15 and Mark 13:14 forewarned... us about the coming of a false one that will setup that "abomination of desolation' inside a temple in Jerusalem.
The Douay-Rheims Bible, and New Living Translation actually translate the Dan.9:27 verse better...
Dan 9:27
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many, in one week: and in the half of the week the victim and the sacrifice shall fall: and there shall be in the temple the abomination of desolation: and ihe desolation shall continue even to the consummation, and to the end.
Douay-Rheims
Dan 9:27
27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him."
New Living Translation
The Scripture proofs above show the proper interpretation of Daniel 9:27 is so... obviously NOT about Jesus Christ, that those pushing the Jew's LIES saying Jesus Christ is Who places the "abomination of desolation" of Daniel 9:27, that those false ones OUGHT TO BE BANNED FROM A CHRISTIAN FORUM. But because I STAY in God's Word as written, and have SHOWN THE SCRIPTURE PROOF of what I say, the deceived instead work against those like myself.
Daniel 9:27a:
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week...
The grammatical antecedent/referent of "he" in Daniel 9:27a is the "prince" in Daniel 9:26, whom you claim is Titus.
What covenant did Titus confirm with many for one week?
Truth7t7
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The vile part is, reformed eschatology claiming that the "He" seen in Daniel 9:27 causing abomination and desolation is Jesus Christ, evil!
Your pervious claims God used Roman soldiers to create abomination and desolation is "Laughable" adding to scripture
Jesus Is The Lord
Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End
"Future" Events Unfulfilled
This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled
(The Future Consummation)
2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But tehe day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation
1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end
Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!
Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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Michiah-Imla
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“…avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.” (Titus 3:9)
ScottA
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What translation are you using?? Here is the KJV:
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
What is "is emphatically revealing" (your words), is that your version disagrees with most other translations.
In any case...you are assuming too much, even implying that Jesus could do nothing after His death on the cross...saying "NOT BY HIM."
...And this you do calling others "Blasphemers."
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The Light
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The temple in question is the third temple, not the one destroyed in 70 AD.
Truth7t7
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Daniel 9:24-27 has absolutely nothing to do with Jesus Christ fulfilling the 70th week, as reformed eschatology falsely claims the "He" in Daniel 9:27 below is Jesus Christ
Daniel's AOD is future, and the bad guy causing the Abomination and Desolation will be present on earth to the "Consummation" Ultimate End
"Future" Events Unfulfilled
This "Future" figure will be present on earth making (Abomination & Desolation) to the (Consummation) or (The Ultimate End) "Future" Event(s) Unfulfilled
(The Future Consummation)
2 Peter 3:10KJV
10 But tehe day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
Merriam-Webster
Definition of consummation
1: the act of consummating the consummation of a contract by mutual signature specifically : the consummating of a marriage
2: the ultimate end
Daniel's AOD (Even Until The Consummation) "Future"!
Daniel 9:27KJV
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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ScottA
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@Davy
Here:
The passage is the same as "a time, times, and half a time." The whole "time" is simply stated in spiritually discerned speech as "seventy weeks" and "seven weeks", and is defined as all of time and the time it takes to "make and end of sins" and "bring in everlasting" (life). Of which there is no time that is exempt. "Week" or "weeks" in the original language by definition, is synonymous with "time or times."
Here:
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
The passage is the same as "a time, times, and half a time." The whole "time" is simply stated in spiritually discerned speech as "seventy weeks" and "seven weeks", and is defined as all of time and the time it takes to "make and end of sins" and "bring in everlasting" (life). Of which there is no time that is exempt. "Week" or "weeks" in the original language by definition, is synonymous with "time or times."
The "times" are made up of "Threescore (60) weeks" before the cross when Messiah is cut off, and "two weeks" after He is cut off.
The "time" and the "times" and the "covenant" are "confirmed" again as being one "time" or all of time, made manifest in all of creation wherein a "half of time" (meaning: divided times) "God divided the light from the darkness." The "confirmation" of the covenant is "the man of sin revealed"--made manifest, and brought to light.
Likewise, Samson's riddle.
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