The Transition from Time...to Eternity.

[bbyrd009]

ps, i notice youre still talking in indisputable facts?
lol

 

[bbyrd009]

why, oh why, do ppl start "teaching?"
bc they think they know, right
and why do they think they know?
bc some guy they trusted told them, in an Authoritative Voice, some facts that they accepted as truth

maybe we need to see the "sprinkling, raining" vid again?

 

[ScottA]

hey, bam go with that if you like
but i know the diff in aion and aidios
have a nice day

That was not the point--two words was not the point--semantics was not the point.

I get your attempt to point out the errors of translation--good point--thank you! But there are no coincidences. The confusion over use of language was admittedly created by God Himself. This is the way things are suppose to be. Nonetheless, and by whatever words or terms used, there is a transition coming to us all from time to something everlasting.

 

[ScottA]

why, oh why, do ppl start "teaching?"
bc they think they know, right
and why do they think they know?
bc some guy they trusted told them, in an Authoritative Voice, some facts that they accepted as truth

maybe we need to see the "sprinkling, raining" vid again?

Indeed, it is "just some guy" for many, but not for all. God Himself also has a "voice."

But again--great point! Start a thread: "Just some guy told me." --I love it!

 

[bbyrd009]

there is a transition coming to us all from time to something everlasting

i would ask for several rephrases of this to ensure i agree, mostly bc of the inferences that might be created by “transition,” and how you define “me” in the following sentence; “there is a transition coming to me from time to something everlasting” believe it or not, which actually might be the more central question. Where did this “me” come from, anyway? Not where you think, i bet.

i say this bc you do not know, really; you cannot knowNo one knows where they go when they die unless this has some deeper meaning, lest Scripture be made untrue. The Bible plainly states that we are dust and will return to it, so “transition” might be more like”annihilation.” Your soul—what most of us associate as “me”—you basically invented, and granted, our “spirit” goes back to Yah, but that does not mean that “us” are going to (effectively) “exist” in some “afterlife” in the “next world” by any means, regardless of how one might choose to interpret vv that seem to indicate that. All go to the same place

so while i would be quick to agree that we are all going to transition to something when we die, i highly suspect that it will not be what we might like to imagine, and despite my hopes the Bible has only reinforced that belief.

Christ came that we might have LIFE, more abundantly, right? and the inferences in your “transition” i find troubling, with all due respect. Our “eternity” might very well end when our “space of time, age” does, and since that is exactly the term the Bible used i think one ignores that at their peril

 

[bbyrd009]

Indeed, it is "just some guy" for many, but not for all. God Himself also has a "voice."

But again--great point! Start a thread: "Just some guy told me." --I love it!

that is what “sprinkling/raining” is about, and while those are of course children, the principle seems to be pretty consistent, meaning i am no less susceptible, and it seems to be not really something you can just get rid of

 

[ScottA]

i would ask for several rephrases of this to ensure i agree, mostly bc of the inferences that might be created by “transition,” and how you define “me” in the following sentence; “there is a transition coming to me from time to something everlasting” believe it or not, which actually might be the more central question. Where did this “me” come from, anyway? Not where you think, i bet.

i say this bc you do not know, really; you cannot knowNo one knows where they go when they die unless this has some deeper meaning, lest Scripture be made untrue. The Bible plainly states that we are dust and will return to it, so “transition” might be more like”annihilation.” Your soul—what most of us associate as “me”—you basically invented, and granted, our “spirit” goes back to Yah, but that does not mean that “us” are going to (effectively) “exist” in some “afterlife” in the “next world” by any means, regardless of how one might choose to interpret vv that seem to indicate that. All go to the same place

so while i would be quick to agree that we are all going to transition to something when we die, i highly suspect that it will not be what we might like to imagine, and despite my hopes the Bible has only reinforced that belief.

Christ came that we might have LIFE, more abundantly, right? and the inferences in your “transition” i find troubling, with all due respect. Our “eternity” might very well end when our “space of time, age” does, and since that is exactly the term the Bible used i think one ignores that at their peril

Your ideas are missing a bunch of what is in the scriptures. But first, I didn't say "me" in the quote you made of what I said. I said, "we all."

As for knowing or not knowing--you may not know, but I do, I've been there, caught up in the spirit. Besides, Jesus said, "whoever believes in me, though he die, he shall surely live." There is no need to wonder or doubt or speculate. In other words, the "abundant life" that He has to give is beyond the grave, beyond the flesh, beyond the dust, and abundantly so.

It is that word "though he die, he shall surely live" "transition" that I have been speaking of.

 

[ScottA]

that is what “sprinkling/raining” is about, and while those are of course children, the principle seems to be pretty consistent, meaning i am no less susceptible, and it seems to be not really something you can just get rid of

I'm not familiar with that "sprinkling/rain" idea. It may be comparable--I've just never heard of it.

 

[bbyrd009]

Your ideas are missing a bunch of what is in the scriptures

so you say, yes
the deflection part you got down, no doubt

But first, I didn't say "me" in the quote you made of what I said. I said, "we all."

i took liberties so that you might identify who "me" is, since that would become cumbersome for "we"
point being you, alone, more or less made "me" up as you went along, only its been so long ago you have likely forgotten

As for knowing or not knowing--you may not know, but I do, I've been there, caught up in the spirit. Besides, Jesus said, "whoever believes in me, though he die, he shall surely live." There is no need to wonder or doubt or speculate. In other words, the "abundant life" that He has to give is beyond the grave, beyond the flesh, beyond the dust, and abundantly so.

It is that word "though he die, he shall surely live" "transition" that I have been speaking of.

but Jesus made plain that we are to die before then spiritually, so while i would not profess to know, i suggest that a seeker contemplate their options there--even if you choose not to address them--and i do hope death, more abundantly works out for you ok
He who says that he knows anything, does not

which i also dont expect you to address

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm not familiar with that "sprinkling/rain" idea. It may be comparable--I've just never heard of it.

its a video i used to post, ill dig it up later

 

[bbyrd009]

its a video i used to post, ill dig it up later

 

[bbyrd009]

It is that word "though he die, he shall surely live" "transition" that I have been speaking of.

so yes, i understand that you are just trying to defend the position, but wadr it seems to be at the expense of all the Scripture that paints a different picture, pitched to an audience that mostly all believed they might attain the Elysian Fields when they died. Christians are called to do their "dying" right now, right?

"Buried with Him in death, raised to new life in Him" 'member?

 

[ScottA]

i took liberties so that you might identify who "me" is, since that would become cumbersome for "we"
point being you, alone, more or less made "me" up as you went along, only its been so long ago you have likely forgotten
but Jesus made plain that we are to die before then spiritually, so while i would not profess to know, i suggest that a seeker contemplate their options there--even if you choose not to address them--and i do hope death, more abundantly works out for you ok
He who says that he knows anything, does not

which i also dont expect you to address

I have no problem saying what is true of "me"--I have, yes. And I have no problem with saying "I know", because what I know and confess, is that "it is no longer I who lives, but Christ who lives in me." Therefore, I do not say what is mine, but rather what is His, that is mine to say. So, don't misunderstand, I claim nothing of myself except what has been given to me that is His.

 

[ScottA]

so yes, i understand that you are just trying to defend the position, but wadr it seems to be at the expense of all the Scripture that paints a different picture, pitched to an audience that mostly all believed they might attain the Elysian Fields when they died. Christians are called to do their "dying" right now, right?

"Buried with Him in death, raised to new life in Him" 'member?

I am saying nothing different, but you are discounting or perhaps attempting to take away the promise of eternal life and what “Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” And no, not "at the expense of scripture", but because of all that is written (that you seem not to acknowledge).

As such, it would appear rather to be a personal issue within you yourself.

 

[bbyrd009]

Your ideas are missing a bunch of what is in the scriptures

and i just cant express how special it is to be on the receiving end of that after i have directly addressed every v you have posted, while you have ignored every one of mine lol, so, maybe its my fault? Perhaps if i asked more directly? How is it, do you think, that the same Jesus Who said your past two vv could also say There is only One Immortal..., No one has ever gone up to heaven..., The kingdom of heaven is within, I came that you might have life, more abundantly, etc, not to mention all of the supporting OT vv?

And if you manage to wiggle out of that and do some more helmet-polishing at my expense then so be it, at least i tried

 

[bbyrd009]

I have no problem saying what is true of "me"--I have, yes

the subject/point about "me" was if you understand that you made "me" up Scott

And I have no problem with saying "I know", because what I know and confess, is that "it is no longer I who lives, but Christ who lives in me."

and what might a wolf in sheep's clothing say, i wonder

So, don't misunderstand, I claim nothing of myself except what has been given to me that is His.

youre so holy, im not worthy, yesss

 

[bbyrd009]

I am saying nothing different, but you are discounting or perhaps attempting to take away the promise of eternal life

ok, but let's not forget how you pretty much lost the argument at "what does 'eternal' really mean" eh

but because of all that is written (that you seem not to acknowledge).

As such, it would appear rather to be a personal issue within you yourself.

priceless
ty, have a good one

 

[ScottA]

ok, but let's not forget how you pretty much lost the argument at "what does 'eternal' really mean" eh

I have lost nothing, nor could I.

And there is no argument. I explained that the common modern use of the word "eternity" is sufficient to describe what is "everlasting", "never ending", etc., with regard to God--and you know it.

 

[bbyrd009]

I have lost nothing, nor could I.

And there is no argument. I explained that the common modern use of the word "eternity" is sufficient to describe what is "everlasting", "never ending", etc., with regard to God--and you know it.

yes, and i guess while you werent looking i pointed out--ad nauseum--that that word in Greek would be aidios, and not the aion your "eternity" was translated from, making you no less a deceiver than the scribe who translated that into "eternity" for your willing ears.
Bye now

 

[ScottA]

yes, and i guess while you werent looking i pointed out--ad nauseum--that that word in Greek would be aidios, and not the aion your "eternity" was translated from, making you no less a deceiver than the scribe who translated that into "eternity" for your willing ears.
Bye now

I saw what you did--everyone did. You made a word game out of God's word, claiming that the words given in parable were what is real rather than what they are a parable of. Obviously, you still don't get that it has all been a parable, created in men, in word, in the world, in His mere "image."

That is what happens when you are not looking at what is actually real. And then you turn on your brother.