Doubt: Am I Really Saved?

[dev553344]

@1stCenturyLady Here are some things to study: What Does the Bible Say About Losing Your Salvation?

 

[Always Believing]

@Always Believing

So you two commit sin? That makes you a slave to sin. John 8:32-36. Don't you know that the next verse after 1 John 1:8 tells you how to become a Christian and a child of God? When you are cleansed of all unrighteousness in your heart, you don't sin any longer. You have the gift of the Holy Spirit. Acts 2:38. You are born again of the seed of the Father and cannot sin. You don't have any desire to sin against the level of obedience the Spirit places into your conscience. Philippians 3:16 That is why: 1 John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. As you grow in the Lord and start to mature, the Spirit keeps upping the levels of obedience until you become perfect. That is His goal to finish your faith. From faith to faith. Romans 1:16-17 As you obey your conscience, God sees you as sinless. However, perfection is not yet until you are on the highest level of obedience. Jesus is the Author and Finisher of our faith. Stop being ignorant of the POWER of the gospel. Again, Romans 1:16-17

Is that a question or an accusation? Many questions are used to mask accusations especially when you go on to tell how not to be what we are being 'questioned' about. When I talk about the Lord let's me know at times something needs to be cleared up between us that does not include what I know is sinning. Like an good marriage we just have to get certain things made right that was not known by the other and certainly not intentional.

If my wife let's me know about something I did that is bothering her, it's not adultery or getting bar hopping drunk. Those days are over for me. Wilful sinners need to get saved no matter what religion they claim.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Why are you ignoring the one or two dozen Bible quotes I posted regarding this?

What??

I haven’t seen any scripture that teaches what you teach.

And you didn’t reply to any of my posts with scripture that proves your case.

 

[bbyrd009]

Hello brethren! If I may, I would like to open this new thread for those who experience doubt about their salvation, to test ones faith, and to ask questions, and to know the truth.

Salvation, from what? Fwiw i would suggest that you see if you can find that defined in the Bible, and then go from there

 

[bbyrd009]

I understand. Do you sometimes experience doubt as well? Like the thought of dying and then realizing you're not saved and it's now too late because it's forever?

Yes. With my method of thinking I will only know I'm saved after death. So I do have doubts. But I am mentally ill and probably shouldn't be too tough on myself.

yall might contemplate being saved in the moment, and not "tossed into Gehenna," rather than it being about some self-serving attempt to become an immortal after you have died. And then go see if any Scripture validates or invalidates that

 

[sheariah07]

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Jesus does not stop anyone from doing what they choose to do. Where did you learn this strange doctrine?

Jesus said, “Go and sin no more.”

 

[Adam]

What??

I haven’t seen any scripture that teaches what you teach.

And you didn’t reply to any of my posts with scripture that proves your case.

How about this:

1 Corinthians 3:15
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Acts 2
27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Luke 3
5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;

6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

1 Corinthians 15
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.

22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

I quote this a lot because it is the most informative of any chapter in the Bible, just what the true nature of our existence is.

Everything will be subject to Jesus, then Jesus will be subject to God and then God will be all in all. So - then the fundamental question is, what does it mean to "be subject" or to be "all in all"?

Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The heart

Proverbs 17
3 The fining pot is for silver, and the furnace for gold: but the Lord trieth the hearts.

Isaiah 48
10 Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

No, the conscience isn't destroyed, it is restored. You can indeed sin your head off but the result is that you experience all the pain you had inflicted onto others. So if that sounds like a good time to you then go ahead. You won't be tortured forever, only in proportion to what you have done.

Genesis 9:6
6 Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.

Exodus 21
24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Matthew 25
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

Many men say that they are wise and virtuous, but I have not seen a single one who could go even a single month without a sin of any kind. It is foolish and a sin in itself to believe yourself perfectly righteous.

Luke 18:11
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.


An easy way to disprove the idea of eternal torture is consider what kind of merciful, all loving God would torture people for eternity.

Even if you claim that there is no torture only destruction, this still doesn't jive. Many passages say, God planned out your life. God will not abandon you.

Psalm 139
13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.

15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.

16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.

Luke 15
3 Then Jesus told them this parable: 4 “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5 And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders 6 and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ 7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

Luke 3:6
And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.


If all sinners go to destruction, there cannot be a greater chastisement or a lesser chastisement. Unless you mean this chastisement is for the ones you claim to be sinless? If they are sinless then there won't be chastisement at all.

The chastisement is part of the process of becoming sinless. It goes beyond one lifetime.

Consider, perhaps, the purpose of chastisement. Does a good parent punish a child forever? Does a good parent cause unnecessary or disproportionate pain in response to some wrongdoing? So if you, being evil, understand that the purpose of punishment is correction, why do you believe that your own justice and mercy exceeds that of God, and make God out to be a tyrant?

Job 5
17 Behold, happy is the man whom God correcteth: therefore despise not thou the chastening of the Almighty:

18 For he maketh sore, and bindeth up: he woundeth, and his hands make whole.

Galatians 6:7
Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

I believe, based on the scriptures, that ALL will be saved - eventually. Very ungodly people will, I believe, go through a fiery, restorative, process known as the "Lake of Fire", but it is temporary and those who go into it will be healed of their sinful affliction and be made perfect. Godly people will avoid that process.

John 12:32 esv
And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw ALL people to myself.”



1 Timothy 4:10 esv
For to this end we toil and strive, because we have our hope set on the living God, who is the Savior of all people, especially of those who believe.



Revelation 21:5 esv
And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.”



2 Corinthians 5:19 esv
that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.



John 6:39 esv
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.



2 Corinthians 5:14-15 esv
For the love of Christ controls us, because we have concluded this: that one has died for all, therefore all have died; 15 and he died for all, that those who live might no longer live for themselves but for him who for their sake died and was raised.



Colossians 1:20 esv
and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether on earth or in heaven, making peace by the blood of his cross.



Romans 5:18 esv
Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.



John 3:17 esv
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Jesus said, “Go and sin no more.”

Yes, a warning not to act on the lust of the flesh.

He did not say, “go, and I will prevent you from sinning”.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Hey, @Adam

Take heed:

“…sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.” (John 5:14)

“For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.” (2 Peter 2:21)

Strengthen the flock with the truth!

Don’t cause them to be lost with your hay and stubble doctrines.

Unless you look forward to being saved by fire (if you can take the heat).

 

[sheariah07]

Yes, a warning not to act on the lust of the flesh.

He did not say, “go, and I will prevent you from sinning”.

That's not a warning. It's a commandment. “Go, and sin no more.” The warning is “lest a worse things happens to you.”

 

[Dropship]

I like Jesus but I'd never presume to say I'm saved. Instead i'll just keep my fingers crossed..
Paul was man enough to say the same thing-
"My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time" (1 Cor 4:3)

 

[Michiah-Imla]

That's not a warning. It's a commandment. “Go, and sin no more.” The warning is “lest a worse things happens to you.”

You’re hilarious!

You tell me “it’s not a warning” followed by you yourself pointing out the warning in the same passage!

 

[Adam]

Hey, @Adam

Take heed:

“…sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.” (John 5:14)

“For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.” (2 Peter 2:21)

Strengthen the flock with the truth!

Don’t cause them to be lost with your hay and stubble doctrines.

Unless you look forward to being saved by fire (if you can take the heat).

Can you disprove any of the scriptures I've quoted?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Can you disprove any of the scriptures I've quoted?

I already did. But those scriptures don’t prove your false doctrine:

You must be blind.

 

[Adam]

I already did. But those scriptures don’t prove your false doctrine:

You must be blind.

Let's start with this one:

Luke 3
5 Every valley shall be filled, and every mountain and hill shall be brought low; and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough ways shall be made smooth;

6 And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

So will all flesh see the salvation of God or not? Is this a false doctrine?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

And all flesh shall see the salvation of God.

So will all flesh see the salvation of God or not? Is this a false doctrine?

Yes, all those who:

“…continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel…” (Colossians 1:23)

 

[Gospel Believer]

Paul often speaks hypothetically about being saved and free from sin. That does not mean it applies to everyone forever. There are other scriptures that teach that you can lose your salvation. It also teaches that when we lose our salvation to repent.

Don't throw out the baby with the bath water. Which appears to be what you are doing with scripture.

If you ever find a verse that “ appears” to be saying that you can lose your Salvation, rest assured that has at least one of two problems—— the verse was either taken out of context, or the verse was not being addressed to Believers...you can take that to the bank

 

[Gospel Believer]

Yes, all those who:

“…continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel…” (Colossians 1:23)

“ And it is *GOD* that will KEEP US STRONG and will present as BLAMELESS on the Day Of Judgement”

 

[Gospel Believer]

Jesus said, “Go and sin no more.”

......and, of course, from that point on , these people became just as perfect and as sinless as Jesus Himself, right? Lol.....yeah, sure.....

 

[Gospel Believer]

I agree with your understanding of our wants. We are dead to the old man of sin.

But don't you agree that there are those who learn that the gospel as believing WHO Jesus is, but don't experience the life changing event of being filled with the Spirit of Christ in their heart. To them Jesus is no more than their ticket to heaven to be used when the time comes, but until then they live their life believing that the blood of Jesus covers the sins they keep committing; sins that the Father can't see due to the blood covering?

Anybody that has Repented ( changed their mind) from NOT Believing the Gospel Of 1Cor15:1-4 to actually TRUSTING that Gospel to Save them has undergone the ONLY “ life changing event” that they need to undergo to receive the GIFT of Salvation......
I am one of those that Believes that the Blood Of Jesus covers all of my sins....past, PRESENT and future....why? Because God’s Word proclaims that the Shed Blood Of Jesus was a “ ONE TIME SACRIFICE” and 1John 1:7 says that “the Blood Of Jesus CLEANSES US from ALL sin”.......
Rev 1:6 declares that The Blood “ Washes Away” All Of our sins and because if that fact, God has “ made us Kings”
Col 1:20 states that ALL THINGS have been reconciled to God Through the Shed Blood Of The Cross...
Rom 5:9 confirms that we have been Justified by the Shed Blood....

So yeah, I’m Covered from start to finish by the Blood ....my growing or not growing as a Believer does nothing to alter that fact...my behavior , good or bad, does not alter that fact....if I continue in sin or refuse to grow—- who pays the price? * I* do! —— I will get Chastised by God and/or I will lose Heavenly Rewards.....itvdies not affect my Salvation....that was a “ GIFT”, remember? And we ALL know that “ The Gifts Of God are without recall”, right?