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[GRACE ambassador]

So you are from the camp that thinks we can only accept Jesus while in the mortal body then? Do you believe John 14:6 "no one comes to the Father but through me" ?

Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome to the Board.

Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided! (+ I and II!) ← my camp?

Grace, Peace, And JOY!…

 

[jeff saunders]

This is exactly CORRECT!

Yes, everyone will EVENTUALLY end up in Heaven. How does someone go to Heaven? By faith alone in Jesus Christ! That's the only way!
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

I firmly believe that too many people equate the judgment and punishment as being the same thing but that is not correct. Let me give you a word picture ; If I murder some one I am judged as a murderer that judgment is never ending it does not go away, but then I am punished and that has a start date and an end date. So the judgment is unending (eternal) but the punishment is not. Fortunately God has made a way for us to be seen as if we never sinned by trusting in Jesus and following him, giving up our soul to him dyeing to self or flesh , if we do this we are judged as clean our sins are forgotten as if we never did them in Gods eyes and no Lake of Fire for us.

 

[jeff saunders]

Precious friend, A Very Warm Welcome to the Board.

Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged, Enlightened, Exhorted, And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And In His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided! (+ I and II!) ← my camp?

Grace, Peace, And JOY!…

thank you for the warm welcome I have only been walking in UR for a few years but am all in

 

[jeff saunders]

I started making this list for a friend and fellow Christian Universalist, 2nd Timothy Group, but decided it might be useful for others too, so I'm posting it publicly.



Christian Forums.com (Debate forum. The one with the most active Christian Universalists. As well, the user Deafsilence is working on creating weekly meetings on Zoom for all us Christian Universalists to talk in).

Daily Christian Universalist Verses

Hello. I would originally post a Christian Universalist verse daily on the Tentmaker Universalism site. However, a Cloudflare error has caused the site to go down, specificially "Table './hopebey1_tentmaker_forum/smf_messages' is marked as crashed and should be repaired" I was posting daily...

www.christianforums.com

Tentmaker.org (Only Christian Universalists talk here)

Verse of the Day

Verse of the Day

tentmaker.org

Christian Universalism Subreddit (Post oriented, with comment sections)

Reddit - Dive into anything

www.reddit.com

Christianity Board.com (Least active)

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www.christianityboard.com

Christianity Forums.net (Less active)

Daily Universalist Verses

Hi all. Starting today, I will be posting a Bible verse on here that demonstrates Universal Reconciliation, Universalism, that God will save everyone through His Son Jesus Christ who died on the cross for all of our sins, the wages of which were death. Everyone will go to Heaven as the Lord...

christianforums.net

City Data Universalism Thread (No separate threads, many Christian Universalists are here too)

Universalism - all aspects - pro and con (purification, Gospel, hell) - Christianity - - City-Data Forum

This thread is being started to have a place for discussing of all aspects of Universalism. At the time it is started, there are 6 threads open and

www.city-data.com

Christian Universalism Discord (Have to join as member to see messages).

Christian Universalists

Custom listing page for Christian Universalists Discord Server!

discord.io

And as a reminder, please save the links of any good Christian Universalism discussions on the Internet Archive using the Wayback Machine. Or make an offline copy with WinHTTrack Website Copier.

Wayback Machine

web.archive.org

HTTrack Website Copier - Free Software Offline Browser (GNU GPL)

HTTrack is a free (GPL, libre/free software) and easy-to-use offline browser utility. It allows you to download a World Wide Web site from the Internet to a local directory, building recursively all directories, getting HTML, images, and other files from the server to your computer. HTTrack...

www.httrack.com

That's all I have currently. Feel free to comment down below any that I missed :)

these are some websites I use mercyuponall.org / bereanpatriot.com / salvationforall.org

 

[amigo de christo]

You aint fooling the true lambs harold . ye preach another go spell . So many come in as though they are of us
but the lambs wont heed them .

 

[Nancy]

So you are from the camp that thinks we can only accept Jesus while in the mortal body then? Do you believe John 14:6 "no one comes to the Father but through me" ? If you believe what Jesus spoke then ask yourself how did all those that followed Yahwey from Adam till Jesus get to the father if they did not accept Jesus after their motal body was dead. You either have to have multiple paths to the Father making Jesus a liar or all those who came before Jesus can't see the Father, those are your only choices. Those vs you quoted are talking about the result of this age they don't talk about the age to come.

"how did all those that followed Yahwey from Adam till Jesus get to the father if they did not accept Jesus after their motal body was dead. "

They got saved the same exact way as do Christians today, looking forward in FAITH to their coming Messiaih and we who came after Christ's crucifixion look BACK in FAITH.

The verses I quoted are forever, when did they become obsolete for all Christians for ALL time?? So, the "many" and the "few" mean nothing to you??

 

[amigo de christo]

"how did all those that followed Yahwey from Adam till Jesus get to the father if they did not accept Jesus after their motal body was dead. "

They got saved the same exact way as do Christians today, looking forward in FAITH to their coming Messiaih and we who came after Christ's crucifixion look BACK in FAITH.

The verses I quoted are forever, when did they become obsolete for all Christians for ALL time?? So, the "many" and the "few" mean nothing to you??

Many kings and prophets have longed to see what you SEE and to hear what you hear . THATS RIGHT SISTER
there was always a remenant that sought it by faith . And looked for the coming of a promised MESSIAH that would save them .
THIS IS HE who whom MOSES spoke of .....................yes indeed sister . ITS ALL ABOUT CHRIST JESUS and we aint gonna
fall for the all inclusive pope francis go spell either .
There is a deadly punishment that awaits all who rejected JESUS . JESUS SAID SO HIMSELF .
GO ye and preach , those who wont recieve or hear you , shake the dust off as a testimony against them .
IT WILL BE WORSE FOR THEM than even SODOM on the day of judgement . WORSE .
folks keep on preaching this lunacy that folks can deny CHRIST , reject the gospel and somehow it wont bode bad for them .
BUT IT AINT WHAT JESUS SAID . what on earth could be worse than the total destruction of SODOM . THE SECOND DEATH IS .

 

[Nancy]

Many have been deceived sadly, and they are pushing others into hell by spreading these lies. Jesus said they hated Him first and they will hate us too.
"Friends with the world is enmity with God"
I pray eyes will be opened to the real and only Truth.

These Universalists skew those scriptures unrecognizable. And they will and already are a part of the New World Religion. It's those who stand by scripture and do not budge that will be greatly persecuted...just as He promised us many times. Oh Lord Jesus, open their eyes and give them the grace to have the humility to see their grievous error. Amen.

 

[jeff saunders]

"how did all those that followed Yahwey from Adam till Jesus get to the father if they did not accept Jesus after their motal body was dead. "

They got saved the same exact way as do Christians today, looking forward in FAITH to their coming Messiaih and we who came after Christ's crucifixion look BACK in FAITH.

The verses I quoted are forever, when did they become obsolete for all Christians for ALL time?? So, the "many" and the "few" mean nothing to you??

The Messiah was a Jewish Idea, and even they were not looking for Jesus , they wanted a king like David who would set them up as rulers of the world , they were not looking for the kingdom Jesus introduced, and what about those before Abraham , were they looking for a messiah ? I don't think so , we know looking back that the idea of God setting things right is in the first five books of the OT but they did not have our scriptures to even look into. We have the whole of scripture and often forget that the whole plan of God has only been around for 2000 years and that before that they did not know the whole plan of God.

 

[quietthinker]

With forethought and intent then?
That God would by plan and purpose see to it that the majority of humankind would be damned?
What does that say about his character?

Foreknowledge or prediction does not equate to causation. For example, accurately predicting you will be dead in under a hundred years does not mean I caused your death or wanted it.

Capacity? Not have the capacity?
What do you make of this?

Matthew 6:15 NIV
But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins.

When God warned A&E saying 'in the day you eat of it you will surely die' he was effectively saying, you will not have the capacity to continue living or to say it another way, the consequence (not punishment as in an arbitrary determination) of disbelief/ disobedience is separation from life aka death.

That very day they died spiritually and emotionally....it was evidenced in their hiding and blaming. Harmony was disrupted and the process of diminishment set in motion. Down the track their bodies also succumbed.

Re the expression of Matthew 6:15..... it is a cultural way of saying what I have previously pointed out. It's a bit like we might say to a punter, put your money down you wont get paid out.......hmmmm, on second thoughts, maybe that's a poor illustration.

 

[jeff saunders]

Many have been deceived sadly, and they are pushing others into hell by spreading these lies. Jesus said they hated Him first and they will hate us too.
"Friends with the world is enmity with God"
I pray eyes will be opened to the real and only Truth.

These Universalists skew those scriptures unrecognizable. And they will and already are a part of the New World Religion. It's those who stand by scripture and do not budge that will be greatly persecuted...just as He promised us many times. Oh Lord Jesus, open their eyes and give them the grace to have the humility to see their grievous error. Amen.

You really need to understand what UR teaches before you go and make claims like these. If you were to put on paper what UR teaches you would most likely agree with most of it , the biggest difference is we do not believe that a loving Father would create people who he has to torcher for all eternity , that the Lake of Fire is like Mal 3:2 But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner's fire or a launderers soap.

 

[St. SteVen]

... we know looking back that the idea of God setting things right is in the first five books of the OT...

That's a great point. Reminds me of this. (in reference to Moses)

Deuteronomy 18:15 NIV
“The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you, from your brothers—it is to him you shall listen—

 

[Nancy]

You really need to understand what UR teaches before you go and make claims like these. If you were to put on paper what UR teaches you would most likely agree with most of it , the biggest difference is we do not believe that a loving Father would create people who he has to torcher for all eternity , that the Lake of Fire is like Mal 3:2 But who can endure the day of his coming? Who can stand when he appears? For he will be like a refiner's fire or a launderers soap.

Even though I have read the posts I am replying to, all I needed to see was that "every single person" will be saved. I see the opposite in scripture, and nobody has even given me their explanation of the scripture I posted, you all just dismiss it. There is no way I would say that to ANYONE. Jesus didn't, even some of His own disciples walked away from Him "because" the narrow road is not an easy trek, by any means. That is why few take this "only" road as Jesus did, and why many take the easy out (they think) by taking the wide path where many go to their own destruction. God is way more than just "love".

 

[Nancy]

The Messiah was a Jewish Idea, and even they were not looking for Jesus , they wanted a king like David who would set them up as rulers of the world , they were not looking for the kingdom Jesus introduced, and what about those before Abraham , were they looking for a messiah ? I don't think so , we know looking back that the idea of God setting things right is in the first five books of the OT but they did not have our scriptures to even look into. We have the whole of scripture and often forget that the whole plan of God has only been around for 2000 years and that before that they did not know the whole plan of God.

Jesus, The Messiah was not an "idea". He was a person, the one and only Savior. And of course, they were looking for their Messiah! Yes, they were looking for a warrior type to wipe out the Romans but, missed all the prophecies about Him in the Torah.
They were stiff-necked so God caused blindness to come on part, to them. The gospel is a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Greeks.

You and I will never agree so, I am ending this conversation with you.
May God's grace and mercy shine on you.

 

[jeff saunders]

Hello Harold,
This "Universal" thing is NOT the true gospel of God. What would you say to the following scripture verses, as you have never quoted a one of them:

“For many are invited, but few are chosen.”
Matthew 22:14

"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: …"
Matthew 7:13,14

"So the last shall be first, and the first last: for many be called, but few chosen."
Matthew 20:16

"And He said to them, “Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.”
Luke 13:23b-24

“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:"
Matthew 25:41

In Mark 14:21, Jesus said, ‘The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had never been born.’

it doesn't sound like Judas is heaven bound..Please think on these verses as we need to constantly pray for God to call unbelievers to His son.
God bless and I hope you will "see" the truth.

Let me respond to you this way , God works in ages , pre earth age God created the heavenly hosts / the next age Adam to Noah ,God delt with them differently than us they did not follow Jesus as we do but followed some kind of laws that God did not share with us. / Noah to Abraham , God made a covenant with Noah on what he expected / Abraham to Jesus , God made a covenant with Abraham but the law was not given till more than 400 years into that covenant / Then came Jesus with the New covenant John 13:3 The Father has given all things into Jesus hands. / John 6:38-39 For I came down from heaven not to do mine own will but the will of him that sent me , and this is the Fathers will which has sent me, that of all which he has given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. We are under the age of grace few will follow in this age, but that is not the end of the story. In the age to come those who are to be thrown into the Lake of Fire will be punished for correction, ( a theme that is throughout the whole Bible) Mal 3:2 but who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appears for he is like a refiners fire and like a fullers soap. Eph 2:7 in the coming ages he might display the surpassing riches of his grace. / Matt 5:26 Truly, I say to you, you will never get out until you have paid the last penny. Jesus doesn't give up till he has all his sheep , till Phil 2:10-11 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. The verses that you have quoted tell of what is going to happen in this age, but the age to come completes the story for "we trust in the living God, who is the savior of all men, especially of those who believe.( 1 Tim 4:9-11) so that in the end as 1 Cor 15:28 When all things are subjected to him, then the Son himself will also be subjected to him who put all things in subjection under him, that God may be all in all.

 

[amigo de christo]

Many have been deceived sadly, and they are pushing others into hell by spreading these lies. Jesus said they hated Him first and they will hate us too.
"Friends with the world is enmity with God"
I pray eyes will be opened to the real and only Truth.

These Universalists skew those scriptures unrecognizable. And they will and already are a part of the New World Religion. It's those who stand by scripture and do not budge that will be greatly persecuted...just as He promised us many times. Oh Lord Jesus, open their eyes and give them the grace to have the humility to see their grievous error. Amen.

 

[amigo de christo]

Jesus, The Messiah was not an "idea". He was a person, the one and only Savior. And of course, they were looking for their Messiah! Yes, they were looking for a warrior type to wipe out the Romans but, missed all the prophecies about Him in the Torah.
They were stiff-necked so God caused blindness to come on part, to them. The gospel is a stumbling block to the Jews and foolishness to the Greeks.

You and I will never agree so, I am ending this conversation with you.
May God's grace and mercy shine on you.

Point to CHRIST till the final end dear sister . Many will wail on HIS day for they forsook him for another false gospel which saved and saves none . IN CHRIST ALONE is our salvation . Preach to all the world those who believe and are baptized shall be saved
but those who believe not shall be damned . THOSE WERE SOME of JESUS last words on this earth before HIS ascension .
MANY will wail for they denied HIM .

 

[St. SteVen]

MANY will wail for they denied HIM .

I take that as the wailing of repentance. (like when we got "saved" - LOL)

 

[St. SteVen]

God is way more than just "love".

More, you say?

 

[amigo de christo]

And Peter denied the Lord three times, and yet Christ still loved him. Many will deny him, over and over again, but eventually, they will believe in Jesus and be saved permanently.

Matthew 26:74 Then he began to curse and swear, saying, “I do not know the Man!” Immediately a rooster crowed. And Peter remembered the word of Jesus who had said to him, “Before the rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.” So he went out and wept bitterly.

Yet not after the ressurection . Peter would years later go to his own death not denying the LORD .
Stop grasping at straws in a hurricane to try and justify yourself and doctrine before men .