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Once again, who is this Israel that will be saved, you haven't answered this question
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It is a loaded question. Paul tells us that All of Israel will be saved.
Who - all the Israelite people alive at that time who repent of their idolatrous worship.
What - ???? perhaps he means: - When - at the end of this present age after God has judged the gentile kings at Armageddon along with his judgement of the heavenly hosts and together the judged gentile kings and heavenly hosts will be imprisoned in the bottomless pit for 1,000 years and then released for the little while period after they are released from the Bottomless pit.
Where - Everywhere throughout the whole earth where they have been scattered by God.
The coming of the Lord (the end of the age) is the end of deception, the end of corruption, the end of the wicked, the end of sin, the end of death, the end for the devil and the end of time. It is the beginning of eternity. It is the beginning of perfection.
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Once again and again, who are these Israelite people?
You state Israelite people that have been scattered around the world, who are these people?
You run from a direct answer "Why"?
Will we go five more rounds in response?
Paul identifies "all Israel".
Two Israels.
Romans 9
6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
1. Of Israel:
Not all Israel
The children of the flesh
Not the children of God
Not the children of the promise
Not counted for the seed
2. All Israel:
Not of Israel
Not the children of the flesh
The children of God
The children of the promise
Counted for the seed
Only one of these two Israels shall be saved.
Romans 11
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
Only the faithful obedient spiritual "all Israel", comprised of the believing elect beloved remnant from Israel (Romans 9:27; Romans 11:1-5,26,28), and believers from among the Gentiles (Romans 11:11), shall be saved.
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Perhaps, but at the present time we are just over 6,100 years from the time when Adam was created. The end of the Six age is when Isaiah 24:21-22 occurs which is the judgement of the kings of the earth who have participated in the trampling of God's Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts. This is the conclusion of the 2,300 years prophecy of the little horn being given armies to trample over the 2,300-year period, starting from around the time 250 BC when the Grecian Empire began to trample God's sanctuary and his earthly hosts. Armageddon is the judgement of the heavenly hosts, as described in Daniel 7:11-12 as well as in Revelation 12:7-12, 20,1-3, 19:1-5. Like as recorded in Isaiah 24:21-22 and Rev 20:1-3 the judged heavenly hosts are imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment, and as recorded in Rev 10-13 this time period is for 1,000-years before they are released for the Little While Period.
If we consider the above, the time span for the earth will be over 7,100-plus years. This is when what you have posted will occur. For the present time we are approaching the end of the sixth age when the Events around the Gathering the kings of the earth at Armageddon will occur at the end of his present age.
The Israelite people are the descendants of Jacob. They consist of the Twelve tribes of Israel. There is no definitive answer that can be given where if I point to a particular people group, that I can say, these are the descendants of Jacob because of their DNA.
There is no direct answer that can be given as you demand.
Yes, what you have quoted from the scriptures is true, but it is God's choice as to which are the people that will be known as Israelites, true descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It is above my pay grade to say who is Israel and who is not Israel. That was why I said that the question was a load question because people will find fault with your answer unless it fits their pet theory.
It is not my place to decide who fits God's criteria of being of Israel or is part of All of Israel who will be save in our near future.
My responsibility is to figure out what my response to God should be and allow others to figure out what their response should be.
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Please define "Decedent's of Jacob" by DNA
How is your qualification determined?
What amount of DNA bloodline qualifies for your claim of being called to salvation?
1%, 5%,10%, 25%, 50%, 75%, 100% of Jacob's DNA Bloodline?
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Your persistence is misdirected. It is not yours or my place to decide who is or is not an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, that judgement is God's to make, and I am content for Him to make it.
The Holy Spirit through Paul leaves no doubt as to the identity of God's choice.
God's criteria are explicitly specified.
Those criteria leave no doubt as to which Israel(ites) will be saved.
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No, the math of the ecf was off. Are you saying that God's Word declares we are past the year 7500?
It would have been the Reformation fathers moving the goal post of time, in modern translations.
Premil point out that God's Word states it was 4000 years until Christ. It has been 2023 years from a time frame with a margin of error, because no one is claiming Jesus was born nor on the Cross in the first year of current time. And no one knows how many years were removed to place 0 in the record of time. If you accept it was 30AD when the Cross happened it was 30 AD. According to the ecf it could have been 100bc. It could have been 100ad. They were not going by our current system. The usage of AD and BC did not even start until 525. It did not catch on until the 9th century.
Name one scholar today other than yourself who believes Jesus was born 5500 years after Adam. Most secular people accept there was 4,000 years of history between the stone age and The common era.
When do you think the Flood happened? Are premil wrong on the date of the Flood?
Abraham lived 2,000 years after Adam. Jesus lived 2,000 years after Abraham. Why is this generalization of Scripture wrong. You generalize the Millennium and call it whatever you like. Why is that not wrong? One thousand does not mean two thousand, but you moved that goal post.
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Israel is any one not a Gentile. That is what the verse states. The verse is contrasting the hardening of Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles comes in. Is God hardening the hearts of believers until non believers are harvested? This is not talking about spiritual Israel being hardened, but physical Israel being hardened until believers are brought in from the Gentiles.
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Genetically, the entire human race is Israel, because after more than three millennia of natural worldwide genetic dispersion and diffusion, Abraham's DNA is present in every individual.
Which means that the entire human race will be saved.
That's called universalism.
Really!!! Your post is just an opinion as it does not provide any evidence to back up your POV.
You need to do a lot more study on Romans 11:25 to understand what the true context of this verse states.
The summer season's harvest of souls, during the seventh Age, from among the Gentiles, begins after Israel is saved, not before Israel is saved as you are suggesting.
You said previously "Yes, what you have quoted from the scriptures is true".
How does my post deviate from the evidence of the Scriptures that I quoted?
Yes, I did say that, but there was also a "but" in that post which clarified my perspective. So, you are trying to justify your posts by misquoting what I have previously posted.
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I would say the same of your claims, you state all Israel will be saved, and you can't even define who this Israel is Jay, perhaps you need to sit on the bench and watch the ball game from the sidelines
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