What does it mean to be born again?

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I will share my testimony with everyone here, about being Born Again, the last week in 1977.

Now I will half to DEFINE what is REAL FAITH, which is the Opposite of Self Generated Faith.

You see, I have had both in my life. Self Generated Faith can NEVER SAVE YOU. I thought I was a Christian just because I believed the Stories about Jesus were True, and because I took up space on Pew most of the Sundays. At 29 years of age, raised in a Church; YET, I attempted suicide 3 times the last week of December 1977. The first two times I had a Pistol with the trigger half pulled, against my Temple. I MEAN, SHEAR TERROR overwhelmed me, BECAUSE I KNEW I WAS IN THE GATES OF HELL/HADES, ready to WALK RIGHT IN. NO DOUBT IN MY MIND, I was right there, ready to Walk right IN. I knew for sure I WAS NOT SAVED.

That is when a tremendous GUILT for my WHOLE LIFESTYLE, kept washing over me, and I began to weep and MOURN of that sinfulness, LOUDER than a baby. Crying out to the LORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN. PLEASE LORD, FORGIVE ME, PLEASE LORD FORGIVE MY SINFULNESS!

I usually don't tell this Part of my Testimony, because it is something so different. I was having great difficulty that HE could forgive me for all that I had done. HE knew that, and HE snatched me up, and instantly I was literally at the FOOT OF THE CROSS ON MY KNEES as I continued to CRY OUT, PLEASE LORD, FORGIVE ME, PLEASE LORD FORGIVE MY SINFULNESS! It had to be a Vision, my arms were raised up to HIM, AND THEN I NOTICED SOMETHING THAT SEEMED STRANGE AT THAT TIME. THE NAILS WERE NOT IN THE PALM OF HIS HANDS. They were in HIS WRISTS! (I have learned sense then, the JEWS do not consider the wrists to be a separate part of body, but PART OF HIS HANDS.) I looked at both of those NAILS, and blood came out, and fell on my outstretched forearms, and IT FELT WARM. That is where the Vision ENDED, and I knew I was Forgiven. Don't expect your Experience to be like mine, HE KNOWS WHAT YOU WILL NEED TO TRULY Surrender to HIM. The HOLY SPIRIT Will take up Residence in your HEART and HE will spiritually GROW you, and Teach you. AS you become more and more like HIM. Have conversations with HIM as He is your Closest FRIEND.

Now that was never in my head before, and IT IS NOT NOW, EVEN IN MY HEAD, IT WAS A DEEP, DEEP in my HEART, NEVER TO LEAVE ME AGAIN. It was FROM GOD, a GIFT to me, Nothing Could I CONSIDER being OF MYSELF. HE DID IT ALL!

1 Corinthians 15:10 (HCSB)
10 But by God’s grace I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not ineffective. However, I worked more than any of them, yet not I, but God’s grace that was with me.


2 Corinthians 3:5 (HCSB)
5 It is not that we are competent in ourselves to consider anything as coming from ourselves, but our competence is from God.

Philippians 2:13 (HCSB)
13 For it is God who is working in you, enabling you both to desire and to work out His good purpose.

You See being BORN AGAIN is not a WORK, but LETTING THE LORD run your life, WHILE in your HEART (not your head) Loving HIM. It is Not about Head Knowledge, it is about Heart KNOWLEDGE of the LORD. Yes, you will know the difference. It is not about trying to pattern ones life after another, HE WILL BRING you into to Arms. Yes HE will change You!
JESUS DOES IT ALL.
 
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There are at least four distinct purposes I see in the Law given at Sinai. Not nec. in this order, To give a means of coming to God, To show the nation separated from the others, To provide a mechanism to keep Israel from being destroyed in judgment until Christ came, and To demonstrate their need for mercy and grace.

Much love!
Jesus said Moses gave them a letter of divorce clause due to the hardness of their hearts. But His Father said two shall be one from the beginning.

So which law came from God?
 
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Certainly love fulfills the Law, and you will not be off target endeavoring to keep the Law of Love!

:)

I don’t believe God ever wrote anything on stones.
Are you thinking this was recorded incorrectly?

Exodus 31:18 KJV
18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Much love!
 

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Where I wrote, provokes, you put "makes", which is different. I think what's needed is some "untweaking".

Romans 7:5 KJV
For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.

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Aaarrgh. I can’t do the whole you trying to perfect and corral my speech in order to make you look a certain way to yourself. I can think of no thing more odious than that Exercise! It was my entire childhood. I cannot DO it again.

I SAID, this is how I perceive or understand what you’ve said. It would be truly bizarre for me to quote you in a box, say this is how I perceive what you mean to say, and then, write your words down exactly as you said them in the quote box! There would be no sense in that!!
 

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Certainly love fulfills the Law, and you will not be off target endeavoring to keep the Law of Love!

:)


Are you thinking this was recorded incorrectly?

Exodus 31:18 KJV
18) And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.

Much love!
Sounds very archaic to me. Not to mention it contradicts new scripture testament that states he writes on flesh tables of the heart

Not arguing, just discourse. What does this say to you?

John 1:17-18 KJV
[17] For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. [18] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
 

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Sounds very archaic to me. Not to mention it contradicts new scripture testament that states he writes on flesh tables of the heart

Not arguing, just discourse. What does this say to you?

John 1:17-18 KJV
[17] For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ. [18] No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
When I read this my mind says there was no Grace or truth in the law written of Moses. And No man had ever seen God?

Leaves me with a big question.
 

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Jesus said Moses gave them a letter of divorce clause due to the hardness of their hearts. But His Father said two shall be one from the beginning.

So which law came from God?
Good question. They both did sort of…the first one was the two shall be one. It wasn’t a law so much as…this is how it will be. This is what is good. This is my desire, that the two will become one. (God is talking about something more than mere marriage between humans there though.) The LAW concerning divorce was something He permitted Moses to allow, because of their hard hearts.
 

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Jesus said Moses gave them a letter of divorce clause due to the hardness of their hearts. But His Father said two shall be one from the beginning.

So which law came from God?
God made people a certain way, with the intent that they live accordingly, and that is from Him. To the fallen humanity, He gave a law that allowed them to not live according to His intent, as an allowance for their hard hearts. Also from Him.

I see this as an act of mercy towards the wife who is put away. In writing a certificate of divorce, it gives her a clarified status.

Much love!
 
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God made people a certain way, with the intent that they live accordingly, and that is from Him. To the fallen humanity, He gave a law that allowed them to not live according to His intent, as an allowance for their hard hearts.
That’s put pretty well!
 

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@marks then Stephen throws me this curve.


Acts 7:42-43 KJV
[42] Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? [43] Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
Forty years?
 
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God made people a certain way, with the intent that they live accordingly, and that is from Him. To the fallen humanity, He gave a law that allowed them to not live according to His intent, as an allowance for their hard hearts. Also from Him.

I see this as an act of mercy towards the wife who is put away. In writing a certificate of divorce, it gives her a clarified status.

Much love!
Did the law alow for alimony or equal distribution of properties?
 
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To have newness of life coming from being spiritually dead to new life through and by Christ in you, to spiritually alive by his resurrection.
 
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Sounds very archaic to me. Not to mention it contradicts new scripture testament that states he writes on flesh tables of the heart
Your mind works very different to mine…yours seems to say, this is the NEW way and it means the OLD way never existed. But my mind says, wow, that new way is much better for me!
 

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Your mind works very different to mine…yours seems to say, this is the NEW way and it means the OLD way never existed. But my mind says, wow, that new way is much better for me!
It indeed existed. I question was it if god or possibly a flesh driven nation on a physical land conquest, with a welcomed miss interpretation fueld by religious practices adopted from Egypt, the scripture doesn’t say in vain that it was called spiritual sodom and Egypt.

Seems any prophet that didn’t align with there conquest was murdered.
 

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I SAID, this is how I perceive or understand what you’ve said.
And I pointed out what I saw making my statement different so you could see that.

I do not see this passage teaching that the Law forces the flesh to do anything.

Rather, "the motions of sin, which are by the law, did work in our members". Motions of sin, that is, the influence of, the affliction of, the inner experience. The motions of sin, which are by the Law, "by", dia, the channel or means.
The law makes the flesh sin is how I read this you’ve said. So…the law is the reason for men sinning. I think that needs some tweaking…
No, men sin because they are sinners. You said my statement needed tweaking, but you weren't giving my statement, you changed it, and then responded to your changed version, as if it were mine.

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@marks then Stephen throws me this curve.


Acts 7:42-43 KJV
[42] Then God turned, and gave them up to worship the host of heaven; as it is written in the book of the prophets, O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness? [43] Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch, and the star of your god Remphan, figures which ye made to worship them: and I will carry you away beyond Babylon.
Forty years?
They carried with them both, is how I understand this.

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Yeah, I forgot you think a lot of the OT is attributed to God, in error. I don’t come up with that when I read it. But then, like I said, our minds work somewhat differently. :)
 
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