Genesis to Revelation - God's Desire

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This is a brief and condensed LOOK n SEE

Gen 2:17 - "you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil; for in the day that you eat of it, you will surely die.”

#1 - God said that Adam would die the very same day he ate the forbidden fruit.
Adam, in fact did not physically die on the day he ate the forbidden fruit.
Adam, in fact, lived for another 339,450 days = 930 years.

#2 - God does not lie - Gen 3:7-8
And the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; so they sewed together fig leaves and made coverings for themselves.
Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.

Adam, in fact died the very same day = in his soul/spirit and not in his physical body.

#3 - God's Desire for man was for Adam to Walk with HIM and to Know and Love God for 1,000 Years.
After which Adam's physical body would be Transformed into a Eternal Glorified Body. This Desire was interrupted by SIN - which God knew would happen and therefore had the Eternal Plan of Redemption for man already in PLACE = Revelation 13:8 "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."


#4 - God's Desire never left us = Genesis
a.) "Abel was a keeper of sheep -And the LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering"
b.) "Enoch walked with God, and then he was no more, because God had taken him away"
c.) "Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord - Noah walked with God."
d.) David, a man after God's Desire and the Promise of God - Psalm 51:10-13
Create in me a clean heart, O God,
And renew a steadfast spirit within me.
Do not cast me away from Your presence,
And do not take Your Holy Spirit from me.
Restore to me the joy of Your salvation,
And uphold me by Your generous Spirit.
Then I will teach transgressors Your ways,
And sinners shall be converted to You.

#5 - Sin will not thwart God's Desire = Psalm 51:5-6
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity,
And in sin my mother conceived me.
Behold, You desire truth in the inward parts,
And in the hidden part You will make me to know wisdom.

Adam died the very same day when sin entered his inward parts therefore sin passed to all men = "in sin my mother conceived me."

Good News - God's Desire is Greater then the sin we were conceived in = "in the hidden part You will make me to know wisdom."
From the Beginning, God demonstrates His Love for us as He covers Adam's nakedness thru the shedding of blood for Adam's sin - Genesis 3:21
"And the LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and He clothed them."


#6 - Six is the number of Man - God's Desire would Manifest as a Man = in the Place where all men sinned, GOD comes in His Temple.
"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" = and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us."

#7 - God's Desire has Come - God Rested on the 7th Day = John 1:16-17 "And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. For the law was given through Moses(Fig Leaves), but Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him."
Remember the animal skin that God clothed Adam & Eve with = Here it is = "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life - the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world."


#8 - God's Desire will Come Again and ALL that HE had intended for man will be Fulfilled- 1 John 3:1-3 , Revelation 2:11 and 20:4-6
8 is the number of New Beginnings

Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

“He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the Second Death.” ’

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands;
and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
This is the First Resurrection - Blessed is he who has part in the First Resurrection, on such the Second Death has no power.
 
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Excellent Post!
Thank you for sharing
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"the law came thru Moses" = Fig Leaves

Fig Leaves is what Adam & Eve used to cover their nakedness = temporary inadequate covering = the Law of Moses

Genesis/God = immediately showing to the Jew and Gentile that works cannot save us, whereupon God removes the Fig Leaves from Adam and Eve and gives them animal skins to cover their nakedness.

Therefore CHRIST, the Sacrificial Lamb of God, nailed the Law to His Body on the Cross and removed it for us - forever.

Genesis contains the Whole Counsel of God that would be fulfilled in THREE Promises of God = for us who are Called.
 
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Just an aside...
I find it interesting how Adam lived 930 years, and eventually God made the lifespan 70 years.
Of course that's a thousand years total.
Could Adam have been 70 years old when he sinned?
And because that burden of sin was so heavy, God shortened those days to 70 years, to lighten the length of the burden?

A thousand years is a really long time to bare that much guilt and sin.
Was reducing man's life to 70 years, merciful?

Just thinking..

unless those days be shortened, no flesh would be saved.

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Just an aside...
I find it interesting how Adam lived 930 years, and eventually God made the lifespan 70 years.
Of course that's a thousand years total.
Could Adam have been 70 years old when he sinned?
And because that burden of sin was so heavy, God shortened those days to 70 years, to lighten the length of the burden?

A thousand years is a really long time to bare that much guilt and sin.
Was reducing man's life to 70 years, merciful?

Just thinking..

unless those days be shortened, no flesh would be saved.

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Dwell on this = the Number 7 represents Christ and 10 represents the Law which no man can be Justified
The 10 Commandments are contained in and under the Mercy Seat

This is why Adam died before his appointed final 70 Years = all of mankind must wait until Number 7 Returns

Israel was bannished from Jerusalem and the Temple for 70 Years(Jeremiah) for their rebellion against God and the Temple.

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! See! Your house is left to you desolate;
for I say to you, you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord

i believe the Temple was destroyed in 70 AD
 
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400 years of captivity. 40 days and nights in a mountain , or being tempted.
If Christ is 7 and man is 6, what is 4?

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400 years of captivity. 40 days and nights in a mountain , or being tempted.
If Christ is 7 and man is 6, what is 4?

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4 corners of the earth = meaning the whole world is in captivity
4 Gospels cover the whole earth = and this Gospel will be preached in all the nations/world and then the end will come
4 = East West North South
4 = Faces on the Cherubim
4 = Wings on the Cherubim
 
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Gen 1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15
And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18
And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

1Th 5:5
Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Job 38:4
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Mat 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Rom 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

just thinking...
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Gen 1:14
And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
Gen 1:15
And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
Gen 1:16
And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
Gen 1:17
And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
Gen 1:18
And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:19
And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

1Th 5:5
Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.

Job 38:4
Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 38:5
Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?
Job 38:6
Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
Job 38:7
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Mat 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

Rom 8:29
For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.

just thinking...
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YES, so we see that LIGHT displaces the Darkness that is spread over the entire earth

"You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness." - 1 Thess 5:5

Amen and Thank You
 
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Just an aside...
I find it interesting how Adam lived 930 years, and eventually God made the lifespan 70 years.
Of course that's a thousand years total.
Could Adam have been 70 years old when he sinned?
And because that burden of sin was so heavy, God shortened those days to 70 years, to lighten the length of the burden?

A thousand years is a really long time to bare that much guilt and sin.
Was reducing man's life to 70 years, merciful?

Just thinking..

unless those days be shortened, no flesh would be saved.

Hugs
Great point.
In fact, the reason for shortening the days of man is specifically stated in = Guess Where???.............................Genesis
 

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Great topic, thanks.
#1 - God said that Adam would die the very same day he ate the forbidden fruit.
Adam, in fact did not physically die on the day he ate the forbidden fruit.
Adam, in fact, lived for another 339,450 days = 930 years.
Point #2 is "God does not lie".
So, if said they would die that day, then they did. But not physically, as you aptly illustrated. (Adam lived 930 years)
The death was spiritual. A broken relationship with God.

More to say about this...
 
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Adam, in fact died the very same day = in his soul/spirit and not in his physical body.
Agree.
#2 - God does not lie - Gen 3:7-8
And the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; so they sewed together fig leaves and made coverings for themselves.
Then the man and his wife heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the breeze of the day, and they hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God among the trees of the garden.
I like the unanswered question (used as a lyrical idea in the song below)
"Who told you were naked?" Who indeed?
At the end of chapter two we find them naked and unashamed. (Genesis 2:25) Where did the shame come from?

Upon eating the fruit their minds were opened to the enemy, who flooded their minds with shameful thoughts.
Their behavior indicated that they had literally LOST their minds. Which we inherited. IMHO

https://soundcloud.com/user-426611522%2Fdevil-talkin
 
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#3 - God's Desire for man was for Adam to Walk with HIM and to Know and Love God for 1,000 Years.
After which Adam's physical body would be Transformed into a Eternal Glorified Body. This Desire was interrupted by SIN - which God knew would happen and therefore had the Eternal Plan of Redemption for man already in PLACE = Revelation 13:8 "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
Agree. The death penalty for our sin has already been paid in full.
 
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#4 - God's Desire never left us = Genesis
a.) "Abel was a keeper of sheep -And the LORD looked with favor on Abel and his offering" ...
I have a different take on the problem with Cain's offering than the standard answer.
To me, the difference wasn't blood. I know, I know... there will be plenty of backlash on that statement.
Hear me out; Thanks.

Notice that Cain brought "SOME" of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord." Some. (scripture below)
Abel brought "fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock." Gave his best.
Compared to the "some" that Cain brought. The problem is attitude. Giving out of compulsion.
We see the same problem echoed later.

"When you offer blind animals for sacrifice, is that not wrong?
When you sacrifice lame or diseased animals, is that not wrong? ..."
- Malachi 1:8

Genesis 4:2-4 NIV
... Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering,
 
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Good News - God's Desire is Greater then the sin we were conceived in = "in the hidden part You will make me to know wisdom."
From the Beginning, God demonstrates His Love for us as He covers Adam's nakedness thru the shedding of blood for Adam's sin - Genesis 3:21
"And the LORD God made garments of skin for Adam and his wife, and He clothed them."
Agree.
"God's Desire is Greater then the sin we were conceived in..."

This is why (one reason) I don't believe in eternal punishment for sin.
In that case, SIN would be greater. A never-ending issue.
 

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#6 - Six is the number of Man - God's Desire would Manifest as a Man = in the Place where all men sinned, GOD comes in His Temple.
"In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God" = and the Word became flesh and dwelt among us."
Agree.
Many claim that the Word was Jesus. This clearly says the Word was God, AND the Word BECAME flesh. Became.
 

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I have a different take on the problem with Cain's offering than the standard answer.
To me, the difference wasn't blood. I know, I know... there will be plenty of backlash on that statement.
Hear me out; Thanks.

Notice that Cain brought "SOME" of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord." Some. (scripture below)
Abel brought "fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock." Gave his best.
Compared to the "some" that Cain brought. The problem is attitude. Giving out of compulsion.
We see the same problem echoed later.

"When you offer blind animals for sacrifice, is that not wrong?
When you sacrifice lame or diseased animals, is that not wrong? ..."
- Malachi 1:8

Genesis 4:2-4 NIV
... Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering,
Some of the fruits of the soil, reminds me of in Acts when Ananias and Sapphira held back a portion of the money they sold their land for.

Act 5:3
But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?
Act 5:4
Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God.

Gen 4:6
And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
Gen 4:7

If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Act 5:5
And Ananias hearing these words fell down, and gave up the ghost: and great fear came on all them that heard these things.
Act 5:6
And the young men arose, wound him up, and carried him out, and buried him.

Lying won't get you anywhere but in deeper debt.

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#7 - God's Desire has Come - God Rested on the 7th Day = And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. For the law was given through Moses(Fig Leaves), but Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
Remember the animal skin that God clothed Adam & Eve with = Here it is = "For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that everyone who believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life - the Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world."
Agree.
The law as a fig leaf. Hadn't heard that before. Interesting.

But was the law a covering for sin, or more of an UNcovering?

Romans 7:7 NIV
... I would not have known what sin was had it not been for the law. For I would not have known what coveting really was if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.”
 
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Act 19:11
And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
Act 19:12
So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

Gen 3:7
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

You may eat from all the trees in the garden...
Gen 2:16
And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
Gen 2:17
But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Rev 22:2
In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

interesting..
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