Genesis to Revelation - God's Desire

[St. SteVen]

Act 19:11
And God wrought special miracles by the hands of Paul:
Act 19:12
So that from his body were brought unto the sick handkerchiefs or aprons, and the diseases departed from them, and the evil spirits went out of them.

Good picks. Reminded me of this one.

1 Corinthians 2:3-5 NIV
I came to you in weakness with great fear and trembling. 4 My message and my preaching were not with wise and persuasive words, but with a demonstration of the Spirit’s power, 5 so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom, but on God’s power.

 

[bbyrd009]

After which Adam's physical body would be Transformed into a Eternal Glorified Body

that strangely cannot be found anywhere in the Bible
hmm
“like” for the rest tho

 

[bbyrd009]

Agree. The death penalty for our sin has already been paid in full.

makes
No son of man may die for another’s sins; the lifesoul that sins, dies
kinda hard to splain then huh

i suggest that the lamb slain from the foundation of the world means something else entirely,
and that Yah had no such requirement, and that that cannot be Quoted a single time, from anywhere

 

[bbyrd009]

“and adam and eve heard God walking in the garden, and they hid.
Where are you?
i heard You walking, and i was afraid bc i was naked, so i hid.
Has the death penalty for your sin been paid in full yet?”

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
Agree. The death penalty for our sin has already been paid in full.

makes
No son of man may die for another’s sins; the lifesoul that sins, dies
kinda hard to splain then huh

Indeed. - LOL
Interesting point actually.

i suggest that the lamb slain from the foundation of the world means something else entirely,
and that Yah had no such requirement, and that that cannot be Quoted a single time, from anywhere

Interesting.
What does "the lamb slain from the foundation of the world" mean to you?

I think "The death penalty for our sin has already been paid in full." can be supported.
Not quoted in the exact words, as you say, but...

The wages of sin is what? (death) See Romans 6:23
Death came to all people, because all sinned. (Romans 5:12)
The Atonement was complete. (1 John 2:2) Paid in full.
The Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. (Isaiah 53:6)

 

[David in NJ]

that strangely cannot be found anywhere in the Bible
hmm
“like” for the rest tho

Sure it is = you just have to know what you are looking at.

Case in Point #1 = They looked directly at Jesus, day after day, yet never knew who & what they were looking at............

Case in Point #2 = After Pentecost, they looked directly at the Apostles and Others filled with the Holy Spirit, yet they never caught on to what they were seeing/hearing.

Case in Point #3 = Apostle Peter needed a Dream/Vision from God in order to understand what was right in front of him.
Same Apostle had to apology to another Apostle and then write this about him: 2 Peter 3:14-16

Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.


Peace and Thank You bbyrd009

 

[David in NJ]

I have a different take on the problem with Cain's offering than the standard answer.
To me, the difference wasn't blood. I know, I know... there will be plenty of backlash on that statement.
Hear me out; Thanks.

Notice that Cain brought "SOME" of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord." Some. (scripture below)
Abel brought "fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock." Gave his best.
Compared to the "some" that Cain brought. The problem is attitude. Giving out of compulsion.
We see the same problem echoed later.

"When you offer blind animals for sacrifice, is that not wrong?
When you sacrifice lame or diseased animals, is that not wrong? ..." - Malachi 1:8

Genesis 4:2-4 NIV
... Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering—fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. The Lord looked with favor on Abel and his offering,

Stick with as you said: "I know, I know...Blood".

Observation #1 = When Scripture speaks without words it will use people to demonstrate what is said where words are missing.

Case in Point from Observation #1 = How did Able know that God required blood sacrifice as worship unto the LORD?

Case in Point (2) from Observation #1 = How did Cain also know this but refused and on what basis did Cain refuse.....???

 

[David in NJ]

that strangely cannot be found anywhere in the Bible
hmm
“like” for the rest tho

Good Morning again,

Please see Post #27 as well - Thank You

 

[bbyrd009]

Sure it is = you just have to know what you are looking at.

ah, knowing...yup

Case in Point #1 = They looked directly at Jesus, day after day, yet never knew who & what they were looking at............

Case in Point #2 = After Pentecost, they looked directly at the Apostles and Others filled with the Holy Spirit, yet they never caught on to what they were seeing/hearing.

Case in Point #3 = Apostle Peter needed a Dream/Vision from God in order to understand what was right in front of him.
Same Apostle had to apology to another Apostle and then write this about him: 2 Peter 3:14-16

Therefore, beloved, looking forward to these things, be diligent to be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless; and consider that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation—as also our beloved brother Paul, according to the wisdom given to him, has written to you, as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

wadr i dont see anywhere where these have established an aidios soul

understand what was right in front of him

^

 

[bbyrd009]

aionios - L. Ray Smith - bible-truths.com

hell,for ever, aeon

bible-truths.com

 

[David in NJ]

ah, knowing...yup

wadr i dont see anywhere where these have established an aidios soul

^

See ya later soul - ?

Are you referring to Adam being Transformed had he not sinned?

The evidence is there in Genesis and then God confirmed it in Revelation = HE does not need to say anymore.......

The Jews constantly wanted their version of accounts from the LORD = to which God would only offer HIS version.

The outcome and final Verdict of this push-n-pull = Matt 23:37-39

O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those sent to her, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were unwilling! Look, your house is left to you desolate.
For I tell you that you will not see Me again until you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord

 

[Ziggy]

Abel and his offering:

Rom 15:13
Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
Rom 15:14
And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.
Rom 15:15
Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God,
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

Gen 4:4
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

I believe Genesis is the Gospel. It's just when Moses was given the assignment to write it, the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven were still hid.
And if we investigate deep enough we will find many treasures.

1Co 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

There is no new thing under the sun.
Hugs

 

[David in NJ]

Abel and his offering:

Rom 15:13
Now the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that ye may abound in hope, through the power of the Holy Ghost.
Rom 15:14
And I myself also am persuaded of you, my brethren, that ye also are full of goodness, filled with all knowledge, able also to admonish one another.
Rom 15:15
Nevertheless, brethren, I have written the more boldly unto you in some sort, as putting you in mind, because of the grace that is given to me of God,
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

Gen 4:4
And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering:

I believe Genesis is the Gospel. It's just when Moses was given the assignment to write it, the mysteries of the Kingdom of heaven were still hid.
And if we investigate deep enough we will find many treasures.

1Co 13:12
For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

There is no new thing under the sun.
Hugs

Many things will be made Clear when we are face to Face with the LORD- Amen

Did you know that Abel was the first (human) Prophet that prophesied in Genesis???

But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the firstborn who are registered in heaven, to God the Judge of all, to the spirits of just men made perfect, to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel.

In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth—in Him. In Him also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestined according to the purpose of Him who works all things according to the counsel of His will, that we who first trusted in Christ should be to the praise of His glory.

Therefore the wisdom of God also said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they will kill and persecute,’
that the blood of all the prophets which was shed from the foundation of the world may be required of this generation,
from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah who perished between the altar and the temple. Yes, I say to you, it shall be required of this generation.

Genesis to Revelation = the Whole (COMPLETE) Counsel of God

 

[David in NJ]

ah, knowing...yup

wadr i dont see anywhere where these have established an aidios soul

^

ἀΐδιος aḯdios, ah-id'-ee-os; from G104; everduring (forward and backward, or forward only):—eternal, everlasting.

Begin with Post #33 (eternal truth)

then go back to Post #27 (eternal truth)

then go Forward with Genesis = Genesis is the Foundation of ALL revelation that would follow.........Eternal Truth

 

[Ziggy]

Heb 12:22
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Gen 3:17
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18
Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Deu 26:7
And when we cried unto the LORD God of our fathers, the LORD heard our voice, and looked on our affliction, and our labour, and our oppression:
Deu 26:8
And the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with great terribleness, and with signs, and with wonders:
Deu 26:9
And he hath brought us into this place, and hath given us this land, even a land that floweth with milk and honey.
Deu 26:10
And now, behold, I have brought the firstfruits of the land, which thou, O LORD, hast given me. And thou shalt set it before the LORD thy God, and worship before the LORD thy God:
Deu 26:11
And thou shalt rejoice in every good thing which the LORD thy God hath given unto thee, and unto thine house, thou, and the Levite, and the stranger that is among you.

Pro 3:9
Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
Pro 3:10
So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

Rev 14:4
These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Alpha and Omega... from everlasting to everlasting.

Rev 14:6
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

 

[David in NJ]

Heb 12:22
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
Heb 12:23
To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
Heb 12:24
And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

Gen 3:17
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Gen 3:18
Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Gen 3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Deu 26:7
And when we cried unto the LORD God of our fathers, the LORD heard our voice, and looked on our affliction, and our labour, and our oppression:
Deu 26:8
And the LORD brought us forth out of Egypt with a mighty hand, and with an outstretched arm, and with great terribleness, and with signs, and with wonders:
Deu 26:9
And he hath brought us into this place, and hath given us this land, even a land that floweth with milk and honey.
Deu 26:10
And now, behold, I have brought the firstfruits of the land, which thou, O LORD, hast given me. And thou shalt set it before the LORD thy God, and worship before the LORD thy God:
Deu 26:11
And thou shalt rejoice in every good thing which the LORD thy God hath given unto thee, and unto thine house, thou, and the Levite, and the stranger that is among you.

Pro 3:9
Honour the LORD with thy substance, and with the firstfruits of all thine increase:
Pro 3:10
So shall thy barns be filled with plenty, and thy presses shall burst out with new wine.

Rev 14:4
These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

Alpha and Omega... from everlasting to everlasting.

Rev 14:6
And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
Rev 14:7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

"The Jewish feast of Pentecost (Shavuot) was primarily a thanksgiving for the firstfruits of the wheat harvest, but it was later associated with a remembrance of the Law given by God to Moses on Mount Sinai."

When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place.
Suddenly a sound like a mighty rushing wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting.
They saw tongues like flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them.
And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them.

But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in his own turn: Christ the firstfruits; then at His coming, those who belong to Him.

 

[Ziggy]

I was thinking... (I do that a lot)

The trees in the garden, these are the firstfruits of which Adam and Eve were allowed to eat from, or recieve the gospel from...
And when Christ returned is when all hell broke out in the garden because Adam and Eve had sinned.
And after this when God is talking with Cain, he came to collect those that belonged to Him.
Except Cain held back some of the offering, He didn't want to set them free. held captive under sin...
Which reminds me of the Pharisees who kept people from entering in.
Mat 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

And there was Abel who was offering the best of the flock, those that were saved through the gospel of Christ.

The trees in the garden have always fascinated me.
This tree of knowledge of good and evil, I hear it in Ezekiel chapter 31. And the trees in the garden are those that followed him, as the angels which kept not their first estate...

I never get bored with the Bible

Hugs

 

[bbyrd009]

The Jews constantly wanted their version of accounts from the LORD = to which God would only offer HIS version.

No one has ever gone up to heaven but He Who came down from it, the son of man
All go to the same place
...and you and your sons will be here with me

 

[bbyrd009]

How did Able know that God required blood sacrifice as worship unto the LORD?

how do you know that Abel was not providing "fat" sheep as a Shepherd, meaning true worshippers for Yah

How did Cain also know this but refused and on what basis did Cain refuse

How would Cain know that when no offering was asked for?
Cain was plowing his own ground, maybe? Whereas Yah wants Shepherds?

 

[David in NJ]

No one has ever gone up to heaven but He Who came down from it, the son of man
All go to the same place
...and you and your sons will be here with me

Not sure of who you mean by "all" who go to the same place.

Here in Matthew chapter 25 we see JESUS saying = 'not all go to the same place'

Then the righteous will answer Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry and feed You, or thirsty and give You drink? 38When did we see You a stranger and take You in, or naked and clothe You? 39Or when did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?’ 40And the King will answer and say to them, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.’

41“Then He will also say to those on the left hand, ‘Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels: 42for I was hungry and you gave Me no food; I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink; 43I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me.’

44“Then they also will answer [d]Him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to You?’ 45Then He will answer them, saying, ‘Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ 46And these will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”