The First Condition of salvation

[Robert Gwin]

Grace is unconditionally open to all, and salvation by grace is conditioned on repentance from dead works:

The first condition of God for salvation by grace has always been that of repentance:

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you. (Acts 3)

No repent ye, no be converted, no being saved. Without repentance, there is no salvation. And so, salvation is conditioned on repentance.

To say salvation is unconditional is to say there is no condition that comes with salvation, which may be idolized by man, but is not of God. No one thinks for any second that salvation comes without the condition of repentance. People only try to invent such, when they find themselves not keeping that first condition of salvation: "Well, gosh, I'm not repenting of what I know to repent of, but at least I'm still saved!"

God's grace is unconditionally open to all: no respect of persons and no time limit but open eternally by the blood of the Lamb, that is incorruptible and everlasting as is His gospel of the cross (Rev 14), and God's salvation by grace comes with the first condition of repentance from dead works, which is the first principle of the doctrine of Christ, which is written even before having faith toward God. (Heb 6:1)

Grace is unconditionally open to all, salvation by God is conditional to all: with condition of repentance, which is first of the things that accompany salvation, without which there is no salvation by God:

Repentance and salvation are one, even as the Father and the Son are one: salvation accompanies repentance, even as repentance accompanies salvation. Without the shedding of blood of the Lamb, there is no remission of sins by grace, and without repentance of sins, there is no washing in the blood: no salvation of God the Father by His Son. God will save no man without repentance and belief in His Son.

Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. The thing about the salvation of God, is that repentance and salvation always accompany one another, even as the Father and the Son.

Unless,

1. There is salvation without repentance.

2. Repentance is not necessary for salvation by grace.

3. Conversion does not come by necessary repentance.

4. Being converted is not salvation, but only after salvation.

5. We can be washed in the blood, without repenting of the sins that crucified the Lamb of God.

Faith without works is dead, and faith without repentance was never alive in the first place, since repentance is the first condition of salvation.

John 17:3 is the first step Robert.

 

[Wrangler]

Truth is known, not done.


What nonsense is this? Is this from Scripture? Why not cite the verse so I can read it in 21st American rather than whatevereth crazieth translationoust thouest presenteth?

No, you're done.

What a bizarro response. Others have chastised your for not citing Scriptural reference. What is your objection to citing chapter and verse?

I am confident many today misread the archaic and obsolete language, imposing their understanding of what it says - but not what it meant. Comparing to modern English translations often show this error. Carry on wayward son.

 

[robert derrick]

John 17:3 is the first step Robert.

Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you. (Acts 3)

And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

It's not possible to know God without doing His will, no more than to love Jesus without keeping His commandments.

And you don't know Him anyway, so until you do know Jesus, you haven't taken the first step.

 

[robert derrick]

What a bizarro response. Others have chastised your for not citing Scriptural reference. What is your objection to citing chapter and verse?

I am confident many today misread the archaic and obsolete language, imposing their understanding of what it says - but not what it meant. Comparing to modern English translations often show this error. Carry on wayward son.

Truth is not known, until it's done.

Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

Faith alone is knowledge only, until it is done.

When God speaks of knowing the truth, to be made free, it is the freedom by doing the truth. He is speaking of the consummation of hearing the word of truth, by which we are married into His body.

Until then, swearing an engagement is just an empty promise.

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

God's seed is only in them doing His truth, and only so long as continuing to do His word. Jesus does not enter in, until we open the door to Him by obeying His voice.

No man is saved by continuing in words of the Bible only, even in talking about them, but especially not when twisting them to justify oneself.

 

[Wrangler]

Truth is not known, until it's done.

A reply totally unresponsive to my post.

What a bizarro response. Others have chastised your for not citing Scriptural reference. What is your objection to citing chapter and verse?

I am confident many today misread the archaic and obsolete language, imposing their understanding of what it says - but not what it meant. Comparing to modern English translations often show this error. Carry on wayward son.