Judas Went to His Own Place – A Biblical Verdict of Eternal Judgment

[Origen]

She recognised that she needed a Saviour. "My spirit has rejoiced in God my Saviour," she said. Saviour from what, if she was immaculate and sinless?

He saved Her by preserving Her soul from inheriting the original sin, which means that Her soul remained immaculate and full of God's Grace, and She remained thus of Her own free will.

Exactly, and if God could have done that, He could (and did) do the same with His Son when He took on human flesh.

So, you believe that God was capable of preserving Mary's soul from inheriting the original sin at the moment of Her conception?

As far as I am aware, Scripture doesn't even tell us who Mary's parents were, let alone whether they were just or not.

The living Being Who is our God has spoken about Mary and Her parents. All of His thoughts and words aren't confined between the covers of any one book.

 

[David Lamb]

He saved Her by preserving Her soul from inheriting the original sin, which means that Her soul remained immaculate and full of God's Grace, and She remained thus of Her own free will.

Scriptural basis for that?

So, you believe that God was capable of preserving Mary's soul from inheriting the original sin at the moment of Her conception?

No, I was using your argument concerning Mary's conception, to say that if He could keep her from inheriting sinfulness at conception, what is the problem with Him keeping Jesus from inheriting it, without the need for an immaculately-conceived mother? I certainly wasn't saying that I believe He actually did cause Mary to be conceived immaculately - we are not told that in Scripture.

The living Being Who is our God has spoken about Mary and Her parents. All of His thoughts and words aren't confined between the covers of any one book.

This is a problem then. If His word is not the final authority for belief and practice, how do we as Christians know which of the multitude of ideas around about Jesus, heaven, hell, Mary, Creation, etc. are correct?

 

[Origen]

Scriptural basis for that?

God is a living Being and what I've read from Him about Mary and Her parents was said in the 1940's to Maria Valtorta, and so how could it be found in the writings of the Evangelists thousands of years ago?....

I certainly wasn't saying that I believe He actually did cause Mary to be conceived immaculately -

But do you believe that God was capable of preserving Mary's soul from inheriting the original sin at the moment of Her conception? And could Mary not have continued to remain immaculate of Her own free will?

If His word is not the final authority for belief and practice, how do we as Christians know which of the multitude of ideas around about Jesus, heaven, hell, Mary, Creation, etc. are correct?

God is a living Being just like you and I. Are all your thoughts and words confined between the covers of any one book? No. Could they ever be? No. So, if that's true for us who are lesser beings, then how could it not be for God who is a greater Being? Scripture is sufficient for bringing people to belief and salvation, but it doesn't encompass all of God's thoughts and words about things. God is a living, loving, interactive God. God could come to you right now and speak about, for example, you and your life, and what He has to say won't be found in Scripture, but does that mean you shouldn't listen to what He says? No. Does it make Scripture less important? No. And when God truly speaks to a person, like Maria Valtorta, and has them write down all that He shows and says, He's going to make it known that they are His instrument, His "pen", just as He's always done with His instruments. Maria Valtorta was truly an instrument of His, and I can provide many proofs for it, and its all thanks to God.

 

[David Lamb]

God is a living Being and what I've read from Him about Mary and Her parents was said in the 1940's to Maria Valtorta, and so how could it be found in the writings of the Evangelists thousands of years ago?....



But do you believe that God was capable of preserving Mary's soul from inheriting the original sin at the moment of Her conception? And could Mary not have continued to remain immaculate of Her own free will?



God is a living Being just like you and I. Are all of your thoughts and words confined between the covers of any one book? No. Could they ever be? No. So, if that's true for us who are lesser beings, then how could it not be for God who is a greater Being? Scripture is sufficient for bringing people to belief and salvation, but it doesn't encompass all of God's thoughts and words about things. God is a living, loving, interactive God. God could come to you right now and speak about, for example, you and your life, and what He says won't be found in Scripture, but does that mean you shouldn't listen to what He says? No. Does it make Scripture less important? No. And when God truly speaks to a person, like Maria Valtorta, and has them write down all that He shows and says, He's going to make it known that they are His instrument, His "pen", just as He's always done with His instruments. Maria Valtorta was truly an instrument of His, and I can provide many proofs for it, and its all thanks to God.

I am sorry, but I don't agree that we must use additions to the bible, whether by Maria Valtorta or anybody else.

 

[Origen]

I am sorry, but I don't agree that we must use additions to the bible, whether by Maria Valtorta or anybody else.

God, a living Being, doesn't prohibit Himself from having thoughts and words and continuing to communicate them to His creation either directly or through using someone as His instrument, or "pen".

 

[Sister-n-Christ]

As far as I am aware, Scripture doesn't even tell us who Mary's parents were, let alone whether they were just or not.

Exactly, and if God could have done that, He could (and did) do the same with His Son when He took on human flesh.

She recognised that she needed a Saviour. "My spirit has rejoiced in God my Saviour," she said. Saviour from what, if she was immaculate and sinless?

Mary's parents are named in the Apocrypha.
Joachim and Anne.

Omission of those texts labeled apocrypha leads to confusion in full contextual comprehension of the canonical books we have today.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

what I've read from Him about Mary and Her parents was said in the 1940's to Maria Valtorta

In other words, let's don't accept God's written Word.

This is exactly how and why the catholics have so much false doctrine they follow.

Mary's parents are named in the Apocrypha.

The co called apocrypha are not writings inspired by the Holy Spirit of Jesus Christ.

There are things in the apocrypha that contradicts inspired writing from the Lord so the apocrypha be given the boot at the direction of the Lord.

 

[Origen]

In other words, let's don't accept God's written Word.

That's not what I said. The fact you have to resort to changing what people said shows how weak your position is.

This is exactly how and why the catholics have so much false doctrine they follow.

I thank God I'm not someone who confines His thoughts and words to between the covers of any one book.