What is Revival?

[marks]

that sentence was from me then I quoted the article. walking by the spirit has nothing to do with maturity since Paul commands believers to walk in the spirit. If a new believer could not walk in the spirit then he wouldn't command it and would of put conditions on a persons maturity in Christ.

We're told to add to our faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, self control, perseverance, godliness, brotherly love, Christian love. Can we have all these on the first day? Theologically speaking, yes we can. I think some do. But for the most part, we grow into these. How many love as God loves immediately after regeneration?

This is what I'm saying.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

that sentence was from me then I quoted the article. walking by the spirit has nothing to do with maturity since Paul commands believers to walk in the spirit. If a new believer could not walk in the spirit then he wouldn't command it and would of put conditions on a persons maturity in Christ.

I concur--

Rom_8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Gal_5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Gal_5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

 

[ChristisGod]

We're told to add to our faith virtue, to virtue knowledge, self control, perseverance, godliness, brotherly love, Christian love. Can we have all these on the first day? Theologically speaking, yes we can. I think some do. But for the most part, we grow into these. How many love as God loves immediately after regeneration?

This is what I'm saying.

Much love!

The above is describing what I would identify as sanctification which is not the same as walking in the spirit. There is a distinction.

 

[Johann]

I'm not trying to be harsh, only clear. I'm sorry if it's sounding differently.

It does sound differently--to the point I question my salvation and born again experience, by reading the short answers given here and the various experiences and interpretations--this does not mean that, since "I" did experience it differently--others--that cannot mean this, my "experience" was thus--like you, I was delivered in a moment of years of alcohol abuse, and many more testimonies I can share--I still struggle, you don't--others--I'm sinless, why the struggle--

No need to reply
J.

 

[marks]

The above is describing what I would identify as sanctification which is not the same as walking in the spirit. There is a distinction.

I'm not surprised if we are using terms differently.

If we walk in the Spirit, we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. If we are fulfilling fleshy lusts, we are not walking in the Spirit.

And the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, you know the rest. Walking in the Spirit is walking in each of these, not "growing into it", but living it. As it seems to me.

Much love!

 

[marks]

It does sound differently--to the point I question my salvation and born again experience, by reading the short answers given here and the various experiences and interpretations--this does not mean that, since "I" did experience it differently--others--that cannot mean this, my "experience" was thus--like you, I was delivered in a moment of years of alcohol abuse, and many more testimonies I can share--I still struggle, you don't--others--I'm sinless, why the struggle--

No need to reply
J.

To be clear . . . I still struggle with things at times. Other times not. I falter like everyone does. My walk is not consistent. But I am becoming more consistent.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

The above is describing what I would identify as sanctification which is not the same as walking in the spirit. There is a distinction.

--and we cannot separate justification from sanctification, and sanctification as a process and our positional standing in Christ--I can elaborate, with scriptures, but most like the short, condensed version...

 

[marks]

--and we cannot separate justification from sanctification, and sanctification as a process and our positional standing in Christ--I can elaborate, with scriptures, but most like the short, condensed version...

I don't see us having a "positional standing". I understand us to have been regenerated into righteousness and holiness. So when God looks at us, He sees the person we are, having been born from Him. He does not falsely identify us as the fleshy child of Adam, whom we used to be before regeneration.

Much love!

 

[marks]

I concur--

Rom_8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Rom_8:4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Gal_5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Gal_5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Do you see "walking after the Spirit" as meaning the same thing as "walking in the Spirit"?

Much love!

 

[ChristisGod]

I'm not surprised if we are using terms differently.

If we walk in the Spirit, we do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. If we are fulfilling fleshy lusts, we are not walking in the Spirit.

And the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, you know the rest. Walking in the Spirit is walking in each of these, not "growing into it", but living it. As it seems to me.

Much love!

Ditto- the fruit of the spirit is the result of walking in the spirit or to use another biblical term that is synonymous - abiding in Christ.

 

[GTW27]

This describes God, to me. This is how I know that I know God. I've had other encounters with spirit beings. You can tell when you are dealing with a consciousness. But there is One Spirit Being Who has demonstrated His love for me, and His power to transform me. He wouldn't have done so for me if not out of love.

I agree, what was material in the OT is spiritual in the NT (generalization, not entirely so). But we can encounter Him just the same, and receive of His power just the same.

Much love!

Blessings in Christ Jesus Marks. It is said that that two can not walk together unless they agree. And you agree. He is right there with you. And He is right here with me. We are both unworthy of this, but yet it is so. The point was this, why does one look outside oneself for a encounter when He(The Holy Spirit) is within us. And yes there are other spiritual beings, that most need to be rebuked as their intent is not good.

 

[Johann]

I don't see us having a "positional standing". I understand us to have been regenerated into righteousness and holiness. So when God looks at us, He sees the person we are, having been born from Him. He does not falsely identify us as the fleshy child of Adam, whom we used to be before regeneration.

Much love!

Disagree--maybe a communication problem--
OUR POSITION OR TRUTH THAT DEALS WITH OUR STANDING (sometimes called positional truth)

Is the result of the work of Christ on the Cross.

It becomes ours by faith in Jesus the moment we are saved.

It is perfect and cannot be improved upon.

Our position and standing is the same as every other child of God.

Our position and standing is wholly based on grace.

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation; old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new 2 Cor. 5:17 (POSITION). Yet Ephesians 4:24 says, “And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness (PRACTICE).

“Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ Rom 5:1 (POSITION) Rom 5:1. “And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful (PRACTICE) Colossians 3:17.


Ephesians 1:6 says: “To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved (POSITION).” “Wherefore we labor, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of Him” (PRACTICE) (2 Cor. 5:9).

--but I will stop here, way too lengthy as most prefer the short version.

This makes perfect sense to me, my standing IN Christ.

 

[marks]

“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creation; old things are passed away, behold, all things are become new 2 Cor. 5:17 (POSITION). Yet Ephesians 4:24 says, “And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness (PRACTICE).

I think all things have actually become new, and of God.

And again, maybe there is a difference in how we think of the words.

I have the idea that when some say we are "positionally righteous", that this means we aren't really righteous, but that God treats us as though we were even so. I think of that as an OT thing, sins covered, but not removed.

Putting off the old man and putting on the new is to stop living/thinking/acting as the unregenerate, and to start living/thinking/acting as the regenerate. As one who is alive from among the dead ones.

Much love!

 

[Johann]

Do you see "walking after the Spirit" as meaning the same thing as "walking in the Spirit"?

Much love!

4) "But after the Spirit," (alla kata pneuma) "But according to the Spirit” conducting us, as the spirit leads or guides us, as free-born, liberated, emancipated children of God, Joh_8:32; Joh_8:36; Gal_5:1; Gal_5:13; Gal_5:25.


2) "Walk in the Spirit," (pneumati peripateite) "in (the) Spirit, you all walk,” conduct yourselves in the area of Spirit approved things and ways, Gal_5:25; Eph_5:15-18; Rom_8:14.


2) "Let us also walk in the Spirit," (pneumati kai stoichomen) "Let us also, walk in (the) things of the Spirit," make the Spirit manifest in our lives, in our daily walk, behavior, course of conduct, Joh_13:34-35; Mat_5:15-16; let this be done in brotherly love, considering others, for Jesus' sake, Rom_8:4-5.

By the Spirit let us also walk (pneumati kai stoichōmen). Present subjunctive (volitive) of stoicheō, “Let us also go on walking by the Spirit.” Let us make our steps by the help and guidance of the Spirit.

Walk (περιπατεῖτε)
Frequent in a metaphorical sense for habitual conduct. See Mar_7:5; Joh_8:12; Act_21:21; Rom_6:4; Rom_8:4; 1Co_3:3; Php_3:18. Never by Paul in the literal sense.
In the Spirit (πνεύματι)
Rather, by the Spirit, as the rule of action. Comp. Gal_6:16; Php_3:16; Rom_4:12.

Not after the flesh, but after the Spirit (mē kata sarka alla kata pneuma). The two laws of life (kata sarka in 7:7-24, kata pneuma Rom_8:1-11). Most likely the Holy Spirit or else the renewed spirit of man.

Guess you will disagree if I say they are the same--walking in--after?

 

[marks]

Guess you will disagree if I say they are the same--walking in--after?

I was just asking you what you thought, no worries!

Much love!

 

[Johann]

I have the idea that when some say we are "positionally righteous", that this means we aren't really righteous, but that God treats us as though we were even so. I think of that as an OT thing, sins covered, but not removed.

That was a question I've asked you--are we really inherently righteous, as Christ is--or are are we treated AS righteous in Christ? There is a communication problem--what you described in the OT is sins kaphar--covering, and that is not what I'm talking about, in fact, this is a definition of the unregenerate.

 

[Lizbeth]

I don't see us having a "positional standing". I understand us to have been regenerated into righteousness and holiness. So when God looks at us, He sees the person we are, having been born from Him. He does not falsely identify us as the fleshy child of Adam, whom we used to be before regeneration.

Much love!

Amen, I agree. We are a new creation, a new inner man, created in the image of Christ.

Col 3:10

And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him

 

[marks]

That was a question I've asked you--are we really inherently righteous, as Christ is--or are are we treated AS righteous in Christ? There is a communication problem--what you described in the OT is sins kaphar--covering, and that is not what I'm talking about, in fact, this is a definition of the unregenerate.

Ephesians 4:24 KJV
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Much love!

 

[Lizbeth]

Just want to say, upon reflection, I think we see in scripture three distinct things - being led by the Spirit, walking in the Spirit, and also being in the Spirit (where John said he was in the spirit on the Lord's day - yet I believe he was likely walking in the spirit all or most of the time as well.)

It seems that being in the spirit can be in various depths or degrees so to speak, as God is not limited or short of creativity, and it depends on His purpose at the time......we can be in the spirit while our will is still functioning and continuing to go about our business dealing with practical things, or we can be in the spirit to the point where the Holy Spirit has completely taken us over and we can't or won't exercise our will, where we are completely taken up or caught up with whatever it is the Lord is doing.

So to me, this begs the question what does it mean to be walking in the Spirit, as being a separate thing from "being in the Spirit". Seems to me that "walking" has to do with behaviour or how we comport ourselves, how we live, yielding our members to the righteousness that is within us by the Spirit, as opposed to choosing to sin. Mortifying the deeds of the flesh, by the Spirit, ie, by yielding to the Spirit.

 

[WalterandDebbie]

Hello Episkopos, Great post, And how are you all? Good question,

What Is Revival?​

When God’s power is unleashed in and through ordinary people, it awakens the hunger for God in others. This stems from a heart so filled with love for Christ, we’re able to respond with ever-progressing honesty, “For me, to live is Christ and to die is gain” Philippians 1:21

What did Jesus say about Revival?

In His parable of the mustard seed, Jesus demonstrated that the most powerful revivals begin not in a sanctuary or tented pavilion but in a quietly bowed heart that yields completely to God within. Our role is to seek, listen, and respond. The Holy Spirit’s role is to ignite, guide, teach, strengthen, and to grow. Just as Jesus had predicted in Matthew 13.

Love, Walter and Debbie