What is Revival?

[Eternally Grateful]

Do you have anything to confess?


I never said she did. This isn't personal. Did you think I was talking about you?

She said that for previous condemnations of Catholics, and any who do not hold to her very strict view of beliefs that she upholds to be the highest form.

My point is that we will ALL be judged...and judged HARDER for the mercy we have been given. Those who have not been shown mercy yet...may receive it in the future. We don't know. It is not OUR job to condemn others. The devil is there for that.

God will judge righteously when the time comes. Let no one judge anything before the time.

And the judgment on the church will be a lot more severe than people think. There is no use in trying to justify oneself and the salvation we have been given...against those who have not understood it, or experienced it.

God is wiser than people. Many religious ones will be utterly condemned...cast into outer darkness, who today think they are justified to the point where they can judge and condemn others. But only the hypocrites do such things. The godly FEAR God, and depart from iniquity.

For those who are saved

there is no judgment

Romans 5:9

Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,



So if you think you may still be able to fall under judgment, I suggest you seek to be justified by his blood, Otherwise, You WILL be subjected to Gods wrath

 

[ChristisGod]

For those who are saved

there is no judgment

Romans 5:9

Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,



So if you think you may still be able to fall under judgment, I suggest you seek to be justified by his blood, Otherwise, You WILL be subjected to Gods wrath

Otherwise.. well you will be subjected to Gods wrath and cast to outer darkness

Amen he doesn't know what he is talking about- the Judgement Seat of Christ for believers is for rewards or loss of rewards, not any condemnation. The Great White Throne Judgement is for condemnation for unbelievers. We went over this last night in our small group that meets in my friends home. Salvation , the gospel and the future wrath and condemnation that awaits those who have rejected Christ as their Lord and Savior from their sins.

 

[Episkopos]

For those who are saved

there is no judgment

Romans 5:9

Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,



So if you think you may still be able to fall under judgment, I suggest you seek to be justified by his blood, Otherwise, You WILL be subjected to Gods wrath

10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

 

[ChristisGod]

10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

They are saved at the Judgment Seat of Christ, not condemned. That judgment is for what we have done with our talents like in the parable Jesus taught.

2 Corinthians 5
Therefore we are always confident and know that as long as we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. 7 For we live by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, I say, and would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9 So we make it our goal to please him, whether we are at home in the body or away from it. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.

1 Corinthians 3
By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as a wise builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should build with care. 11 For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 If anyone builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames.

The judgment seat of Christ involves a time in the future when believers will give an account of themselves to Christ. This is the plain teaching of Scripture: “We must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad” (2 Corinthians 5:10). The warning is to Christians, not unbelievers. As Jesus taught in His parable, the king is going to return, at which time he will require an account from his servants (Luke 19:11–26).

The judgment seat of Christ is different from the Great White Throne Judgment. That will be the final judgment of the wicked prior to their being cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11–15). Appearing before the Great White Throne will be unbelievers. Believers will appear before the judgment seat of Christ.got?

hope this helps !!!

 

[marks]

I think Calvin summoned it up correctly--

And that ye put on the new man. All that is meant is, “Be renewed in the spirit, or, be renewed within or completely, — beginning with the mind, which appears to be the part most free from all taint of sin.” What is added about the creation, may refer either to the first creation of man, or to the second creation, which is effected by the grace of Christ. Both expositions will be true. Adam was at first created after the image of God, and reflected, as in a mirror, the Divine righteousness; but that image, having been defaced by sin, must now be restored in Christ. The regeneration of the godly is indeed — as we have formerly explained (149) — nothing else than the formation anew of the image of God in them. There is, no doubt, a far more rich and powerful manifestation of Divine grace in this second creation than in the first; but our highest perfection is uniformly represented in Scripture as consisting in our conformity and resemblance to God. Adam lost the image which he had originally received, and therefore it becomes necessary that it shall be restored to us by Christ. The design contemplated by regeneration is to recall us from our wanderings to that end for which we were created.


In righteousness. If righteousness be taken as a general term for uprightness, holiness will be something higher, or that purity which lies in being devoted to the service of God. I am rather inclined to consider holiness as referring to the first table, and righteousness to the second table, of the law, as in the song of Zacharias,
“That we may serve him in holiness and righteousness, all the days of our life.” (Luk_1:74.)

Plato lays down the distinction correctly, that holiness (ὁσιότης) lies in the worship of God, and that the other part,righteousness, (δικαιοσύνη,) bears a reference to men. The genitive, of truth, (τὢς αληθείας,) is put in the place of an adjective, and refers to both terms; so that, while it literally runs, in righteousness and holiness of truth, the meaning is, in true righteousness and holiness. He warns us that both ought to be sincere; because we have to do with God, whom it is impossible to deceive.

1. Holiness, our worshipping God
2. Righteousness--service to men

hosiotēs
Total KJV Occurrences: 2
holiness, 2
Luk_1:75, Eph_4:24
Luk 1:73 the oath that he swore to our ancestor Abraham. He granted us
Luk 1:74 deliverance from our enemies' grip so that we could serve him without fear
Luk 1:75 and be holy and righteous before him all of our days.

(77) “Le mot de Sainctete comprend tout ce dont nous sommes redevables a Dieu pour adorer et honorer sa majeste.” — “The word Holiness includes all that we owe to God for adoring and honoring his majesty.”

God forbid I should tamper with His word--but this is how I understand righteousness and holiness @marks

I'll need a little time to digest this. Thank you for spreading out breakfast for me. Good morning! And good evening! One day!

Much love!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

11 Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

There you go taking passages out of context again

2 cor 5: 5 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. 4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.


6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.

see also

1 cor 3: 9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Notice in both of these instances. it is believers, who are being judged. Believers who have a new building From God. gauranteed through the spirit. it is also a BEMA judgement

The judgment in Revelation. called the great white throne is a in the greek "krino" judgement

Those at this judgment are death and hades, People who had not repented and were not written in the book of life. People who rejected God in unbelief, people who were never justified. They will all suffer Gods wrath

Again my friend. If you think you can still suffer the wrath of God. You need to repent and look to God to be justified through his blood

 

[ChristisGod]

There you go taking passages out of context again

2 cor 5: 5 For we know that if our earthly house, this tent, is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed with our habitation which is from heaven, 3 if indeed, having been clothed, we shall not be found naked. 4 For we who are in this tent groan, being burdened, not because we want to be unclothed, but further clothed, that mortality may be swallowed up by life. 5 Now He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.


6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord. 7 For we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.
9 Therefore we make it our aim, whether present or absent, to be well pleasing to Him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done in the body, according to what he has done, whether good or bad. 11 Knowing, therefore, the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are well known to God, and I also trust are well known in your consciences.

see also

1 cor 3: 9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Notice in both of these instances. it is believers, who are being judged. Believers who have a new building From God. gauranteed through the spirit. it is also a BEMA judgement

The judgment in Revelation. called the great white throne is a in the greek "krino" judgement

Those at this judgment are death and hades, People who had not repented and were not written in the book of life. People who rejected God in unbelief, people who were never justified. They will all suffer Gods wrath

Again my friend. If you think you can still suffer the wrath of God. You need to repent and look to God to be justified through his blood

Its rather obvious there is no prophet here as a real prophet would not be wrong on so many of the basic fundamentals of the Christian Faith. And a real prophet would gladly answer questions about the faith instead of avoiding those questions. Someone is hiding behind the self proclaimed idea of a prophet. Its basically a way to justify the heterodox teachings that we are witnessing. If I say I'm a prophet then it assumes what I say and teach comes from God even when it contradicts the plain teachings of Scripture. A true Prophet aligns his teaching with the Bible and anything that were to be genuinely true of a real prophet would not contradict anything in Gods revealed word.

When we examine Revelations John is expanding upon truths already proclaimed in Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah and the other prophets in the O.T. John does not contradict any of the OT prophets. He is in sync with them.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I am not sure what he is, He teaches things I have never heard before. its like he is on a mountain by himself and teaching his own gospel..

This is what makes it dangerous

 

[Johann]

I'm not able to follow the grammar very well at the moment, but have to go to other scriptures that also speak on this subject.

2 Peter 1:4....we are partakers/sharers of the divine nature

Heb 12:10...we are partakers of his holiness

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God...unto all and upon all them that believe

1 John 3:9 God's seed remains in him...he cannot sin because he has been born of God, ie, born of his seed. (And that seed is perfect and holy, because it is Christ.)

This is not speaking of our flesh and the natural man, or our old man, but only speaking of the new man which is created in God's image. We still have this sack of flesh to cart around which is hobbling us, in varying ways and degrees, until Christ returns. However, we can and do overcome it through the Spirit.....which is within us, and also upon us in varying degrees at different times. Our job is to "submit to the righteousness of God" within and upon us. His righteousness, His holiness, and His seed can't be said to be imperfect, I'm sure we must agree on that. There's no deficiency in the gift we've been given, but the problem is with us - in whatever degree we're allowing our flesh and carnal mind (old man) to get in the way. We may often be overriding the will of Christ in us with our own as yet unsurrendered will, or maybe it is only partially surrendered in the beginning at least. We all receive varying measures of grace/power and faith in the beginning, that is another factor. Some more, some less, different gifts to different ones. Flesh/old man overcome in some ways but not all. Then we must go on to increase and grow in whatever we have been given. Fighting the good fight, working out our salvation, perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord...ie, overcoming our flesh and old man. At least this is how i'm understanding these things....bearing in mind we only know in part.

Have to say, I'm not liking where Calvin said the mind is the least tainted with sin. To me that will lead people to rely on the carnal mind rather than rely on the Spirit/mind of Christ for understanding. The bible says the carnal mind is ENMITY with God. The natural mind is flesh, not spirit....it's in a fallen state......only the mind of Christ is spirit. The natural man can't receive or discern the things of the Spirit (1 Cor 2:12)....so we always need the light of Christ to give light to our darkened mind. Remember before we were saved things pertaining to God and the bible might as well have been someone speaking in Chinese to English speaking folk, it just didn't make sense and our natural minds rejected it as nonsense. Until we received a new HEART.

Rom 8:6-8

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

I am different--I go on the grammars and Syntax why? That is just who I am.

 

[Johann]

One day!

Amen, One day
J.

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen, and Jesus said this as well:

Jhn 3:17-19

For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.

Some will accuse us of being judgmental and condemning the lost....but it is not us saying it, it is JESUS. All we do is believe it (and fear, and be grateful for the gift of faith to believe) and teach or share or preach His word as appropriate, not hiding the only truth that saves from those who need it. We're to be like those who have been rescued out of a burning and sinking ship and then join the effort to help rescue others out of there, not standing around on the shore pointing fingers.

Ever wonder why JESUS said if they reject you , they rejected HIM . its not us they hate . WELL not our flesh .
I used to be just like them and then they LOVED and embraced me .
THEY HATE what makes us different . THUS THEY HATE JESUS and HE WHO SENT HIM . GOD .
ER word of JESUS was truth . if we bring those same words and folks hate it . WELL GUESS WHO THEY TRULY HATE .
Its not like me or you said them . GOD DID , GOD SPOKE THROUGH HIS SON . HIS SON IS HIS WORD and HE IS HIS WORD .
BIBLE TIME . now march on in the trenches dear sister . march on and point to CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

For those who are saved

there is no judgment

Romans 5:9

Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from wrath through Him.

1 Thessalonians 5:9
For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,



So if you think you may still be able to fall under judgment, I suggest you seek to be justified by his blood, Otherwise, You WILL be subjected to Gods wrath

The only judgment of GOD we are appointed unto is , the trials and persecutions HE allows against us .
For it is the righteous judgement of GOD that ye be counted worthy to suffer for the Kingdom .
But if judgment begins at us . What on earth is gonna happen to those who rejected the truth . Far worse .
man can only torment the body and kill the body . BUT GOD has power to torment the soul and destroy it in hells fire .
I KNOW which one i gladly choose . Better to suffer for the righteous cause of CHRIST in this life
than to suffer the eternal damnation that awaits those who denied HIM . BIBLE TIME .

 

[amigo de christo]

IF the GREEN tree suffered at the hands of men , SO WILL those of that tree .
But woe wail the day for the dry tree is all i can say .
TIME TO POINT TO JESUS . TIME TO OPEN BIBLES . TIME to feast upon ER WORD of truth in that lovely bible
and learn and grow wise . For hucksters and clowns have invaded many places now .
Wolves and agents of satan have invaded many places .
And when i say places , WAKE UP CHRISTENDOM YA BEEN INFILTRATED from WITHIN .
BIBLE TIME . I Franky my dear and my dears i dont give a rip what folks say or do to me . ME IS GONNA POINT TO THAT JESUS
PEROID . i repeat PEROID no matter the cost to me for doing so .

 

[amigo de christo]

Amen,

As is said, the gates of hell will not prevail.. It is our Job to enter enemy territory and rescue people out from under enemy hands, And the only way they can be rescued is through Christ..

Hit the trenches , epi is running out of gas and the lambs aint falling for it .
Let us pray he repents and comes to CHRIST . but keep on with all reminders that point to Christ .

 

[ChristisGod]

Hit the trenches , epi is running out of gas and the lambs aint falling for it .
Let us pray he repents and comes to CHRIST . but keep on with all reminders that point to Christ .

His sheep hear His voice and they follow Him. His voice doesn't line up with Jesus voice, teachings and the Apostles.

We run away from the strangers voice and will never follow the teaching of a false prophet.

John 10
When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. 5 But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger’s voice.” 6 Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them.

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm not able to follow the grammar very well at the moment, but have to go to other scriptures that also speak on this subject.

2 Peter 1:4....we are partakers/sharers of the divine nature

Heb 12:10...we are partakers of his holiness

Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God...unto all and upon all them that believe

1 John 3:9 God's seed remains in him...he cannot sin because he has been born of God, ie, born of his seed. (And that seed is perfect and holy, because it is Christ.)

This is not speaking of our flesh and the natural man, or our old man, but only speaking of the new man which is created in God's image. We still have this sack of flesh to cart around which is hobbling us, in varying ways and degrees, until Christ returns. However, we can and do overcome it through the Spirit.....which is within us, and also upon us in varying degrees at different times. Our job is to "submit to the righteousness of God" within and upon us. His righteousness, His holiness, and His seed can't be said to be imperfect, I'm sure we must agree on that. There's no deficiency in the gift we've been given, but the problem is with us - in whatever degree we're allowing our flesh and carnal mind (old man) to get in the way. We may often be overriding the will of Christ in us with our own as yet unsurrendered will, or maybe it is only partially surrendered in the beginning at least. We all receive varying measures of grace/power and faith in the beginning, that is another factor. Some more, some less, different gifts to different ones. Flesh/old man overcome in some ways but not all. Then we must go on to increase and grow in whatever we have been given. Fighting the good fight, working out our salvation, perfecting holiness in the fear of the Lord...ie, overcoming our flesh and old man. At least this is how i'm understanding these things....bearing in mind we only know in part.

Have to say, I'm not liking where Calvin said the mind is the least tainted with sin. To me that will lead people to rely on the carnal mind rather than rely on the Spirit/mind of Christ for understanding. The bible says the carnal mind is ENMITY with God. The natural mind is flesh, not spirit....it's in a fallen state......only the mind of Christ is spirit. The natural man can't receive or discern the things of the Spirit (1 Cor 2:12)....so we always need the light of Christ to give light to our darkened mind. Remember before we were saved things pertaining to God and the bible might as well have been someone speaking in Chinese to English speaking folk, it just didn't make sense and our natural minds rejected it as nonsense. Until we received a new HEART.

Rom 8:6-8

For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Worry not about following grammer , AND DO ALWAYS GO TO THE SCRIPS TO TEST ALL THINGS .
many are being decieved through grammer and that is a fact . Not saying johann is
but just saying . men have crept in with agendas and their greek points to an agenda that will CONTRADICT
other places in the scriptures . YOU STICK TO THE SCRIPTURES . STICK TO CHRIST , FOLLOW HIM .

 

[amigo de christo]

I am not sure what he is, He teaches things I have never heard before. its like he is on a mountain by himself and teaching his own gospel..

This is what makes it dangerous

Epi has fallen for the lie . the all inclusive social gospel lie .
IT wont point to CHRIST , it points rather to false love and good works .
Yeah its a false love . cause it allows other religoins to feel saved in that religoin so long as they coming together as one
and doing them some good works under a social gospel . ITS FALSE and a lie from HELL .
And i shun its doctrines right to hell if i could . notice i said its doctine not the people .
The doctrine of that all inclusive social gospel is a lie from the dragon . but beware cause the dragon
will also say things like GOD is love but then preach another love , another gospel that cant save .
AND I DONT SEE LOVE IN THAT .

 

[ChristisGod]

Worry not about following grammer , AND DO ALWAYS GO TO THE SCRIPS TO TEST ALL THINGS .
many are being decieved through grammer and that is a fact . Not saying johann is
but just saying . men have crept in with agendas and their greek points to an agenda that will CONTRADICT
other places in the scriptures . YOU STICK TO THE SCRIPTURES . STICK TO CHRIST , FOLLOW HIM .

We have very reliable Greek into English Translations of the New Testament. the NASB, ESV, RSV, NKJV are good word for word translations from Greek into English. Word studies are great and knowing the verb tenses are helpful. But like you say comparing scripture with scripture is the key for the Bible does not contradict itself. So is some self professed language expert claims the Greek says something that contradicts the plain teaching in other areas you know he is blowing smoke. I did study Greek for 2 years in the 80's and it was helpful but its definitely not necessary.

 

[amigo de christo]

We have very reliable of the Greek Translations of the New Testament. the NASB, ESV, NKJV are good word for word translations from Greek into English. Word studies are great and knowing the verb tenses are helpful. But like you say comparing scripture with scripture is the key for the Bible does not contradict itself. So is some self professed language expert claims the Greek says something that contradicts the plain teaching in other areas you know he is blowing smoke. I did study Greek for 2 years in the 80's and it was helpful but its definitely not necessary.

That is the KEY my friend . scripture WONT contradict scripture . THIS WE MUST KNOW and KNOW WELL .
many folks cannot rightly divide scripture at all .

 

[ChristisGod]

That is the KEY my friend . scripture WONT contradict scripture . THIS WE MUST KNOW and KNOW WELL .
many folks cannot rightly divide scripture at all .

Bingo !