The answer of hell and its origins

[Jack]

That you said that above proves you don't have a clue about Jehovah's Witnesses.

You still didn't answer!
"Have you ever disagreed with any Kingdom Hall / Watchtower doctrines? Have they ever been wrong? Or do you think they are gods?"

You want to take it literally? Ok. So this means that you believe that all the righteous can fit in the literal bosom of the literal human being named Abraham. Interesting.

"Bosom" is a place of comfort. lol

"Bosom of Abraham" refers to the place of comfort in the biblical Sheol (or Hades in the Greek Septuagint version of the Hebrew scriptures from around 200 BC, and therefore so described in the New Testament)[1] where the righteous dead abided prior to Jesus’ resurrection."

Bosom of Abraham - Wikipedia

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[BARNEY BRIGHT]

You still didn't answer!
"Have you ever disagreed with any Kingdom Hall / Watchtower doctrines? Have they ever been wrong? Or do you think they are gods?"

"Bosom" is a place of comfort. lol

"Bosom of Abraham" refers to the place of comfort in the biblical Sheol (or Hades in the Greek Septuagint version of the Hebrew scriptures from around 200 BC, and therefore so described in the New Testament)[1] where the righteous dead abided prior to Jesus’ resurrection."

Bosom of Abraham - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You looking at Bosom of Abraham as a place of comfort is being symbolic. You have been saying the rich man Lazarus story is to be taken literally. Well if Abrahams bosom is to be taken symbolic I'm going to take the rich man Lazarus story as a parable that is not to be taken literally.

 

[Jack]

You looking at Bosom of Abraham as a place of comfort is being symbolic. You have been saying the rich man Lazarus story is to be taken literally. Well if Abrahams bosom is to be taken symbolic I'm going to take the rich man Lazarus story as a parable that is not to be taken literally.

But Barney, we know how JW's use "symbolic" when they attack the Bible. Your own NWT says you're wrong!

 

[RLT63]

You looking at Bosom of Abraham as a place of comfort is being symbolic. You have been saying the rich man Lazarus story is to be taken literally. Well if Abrahams bosom is to be taken symbolic I'm going to take the rich man Lazarus story as a parable that is not to be taken literally.

Abraham’s bosom is a place. We used to sing songs about it when I was a kid.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Abraham’s bosom is a place. We used to sing songs about it when I was a kid.

In this story of the rich man and Lazarus your taking the phrase, Bosom of Abraham symbolically, if you say its a place. So since you say in the rich man Lazarus story, the Bosom of Abraham is a place then that means you're taking the story symbolically, not literally.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

But Barney, we how JW's use "symbolic" when they attack the Bible. Your own NWT says you're wrong!

The JW's have always looked at the rich man Lazarus story as a parable.

 

[Jack]

The JW's have always looked at the rich man Lazarus story as a parable.

No surprise. Satan has been busy leading people to the everlasting Hell fire that Jesus warned us about. Satan LOVES it when people don't believe in the eternal fire. He wants our company, "forever and ever", NWT! Satan loves it when his messengers convince people that there is no "everlasting fire"!

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

No surprise. Satan has been busy leading people to the everlasting Hell fire that Jesus warned us about. Satan LOVES it when people don't believe in the eternal fire. He wants our company, "forever and ever", NWT! Satan loves it when his messengers convince people that there is no "everlasting fire"!

Satan loves it when people are taught lies like a person doesn't die, and that Jesus wasn't dead for parts of three days,

 

[Jack]

Satan loves it when people are taught lies like a person doesn't die, and that Jesus wasn't dead for parts of three days,

I'm not leading people to Hell. I'm warning them, like Jesus did. I'll let KH lead them to Hell. You're own NWT bible says you're wrong.

 

[RLT63]

In this story of the rich man and Lazarus your taking the phrase, Bosom of Abraham symbolically, if you say its a place. So since you say in the rich man Lazarus story, the Bosom of Abraham is a place then that means you're taking the story symbolically, not literally.

With what you do with Revelation, taking the number 144,000 literally but the fact that they’re virgins and Jews symbolically and any number of other places you do the same thing do you really want to choose this as a hill to die on?

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

I'm not leading people to Hell. I'm warning them, like Jesus did. I'll let KH lead them to Hell. You're own NWT bible says you're wrong.

No that just shows how much you don't know about Jehovah's Witnesses

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

With what you do with Revelation, taking the number 144,000 literally but the fact that they’re virgins and Jews symbolically and any number of other places you do the same thing do you really want to choose this as a hill to die on?

What the majority people think of me or Jehovah Witnesses will not be good. Just as the Jews thought the worse about Jesus, the majority will think the worse about his true disciples. For centuries the word of God has been grossly abused. So many people have been taught to believe many false doctrines from Satan by him using his weeds and goats who are imitation Christians. I know such people honestly don't believe themselves to be weeds or goats.They honestly think they're true Christians, so they honestly think they're teaching biblical truths or biblical doctrines. Jesus told us in his word this situation would happen. But the truth has got to be continued to be spread so that it will get to those who will exercise faith, in that truth. There will always be those that will not believe the truth, they will honestly think the biblical truth to be false.We all must make our choice from the scriptures what we truly believe the truth is in the scriptures and not worry about what people think of us. People that didn't believe Jesus thought he was a criminal, a demon, someone who spread blasphemy, etc. So since we're not greater than our lord Jesus Christ, they will treat us similarly. I will continue to tell people the truth although I know the majority will believe it not to be true. I can't worry about what people think of me, human beings eternal lives are at stake. The True God YHWH sent his only begotten Son to die for mankind so that those who exercise faith will get everlasting life.

 

[RLT63]

What the majority people think of me or Jehovah Witnesses will not be good. Just as the Jews thought the worse about Jesus, the majority will think the worse about his true disciples. For centuries the word of God has been grossly abused. So many people have been taught to believe many false doctrines from Satan by him using his weeds and goats who are imitation Christians. I know such people honestly don't believe themselves to be weeds or goats.They honestly think they're true Christians, so they honestly think they're teaching biblical truths or biblical doctrines. Jesus told us in his word this situation would happen. But the truth has got to be continued to be spread so that it will get to those who will exercise faith, in that truth. There will always be those that will not believe the truth, they will honestly think the biblical truth to be false.We all must make our choice from the scriptures what we truly believe the truth is in the scriptures and not worry about what people think of us. People that didn't believe Jesus thought he was a criminal, a demon, someone who spread blasphemy, etc. So since we're not greater than our lord Jesus Christ, they will treat us similarly. I will continue to tell people the truth although I know the majority will believe it not to be true. I can't worry about what people think of me, human beings eternal lives are at stake. The True God YHWH sent his only begotten Son to die for mankind so that those who exercise faith will get everlasting life.

That’s nice but it has nothing to do with what I posted

 

[Jack]

No that just shows how much you don't know about Jehovah's Witnesses

What I know about JW's is that they constantly attack our Christian Bible and don't even believe their own NWT! Kingdom Hall / Watchtower has been busy!

Basic Kingdom Hall doctrine: The Bible is usually wrong and Kingdom Hall is always right.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

What I know about JW's is that they constantly attack our Christian Bible and don't even believe their own NWT! Kingdom Hall / Watchtower has been busy!

Basic Kingdom Hall doctrine: The Bible is usually wrong and Kingdom Hall is always right.

The JW's have no problem with what Bible a person uses. In fact the JW's use many different Bibles, in their search for the truth. Because they have used many different Bibles they recognize that not all Bibles translates a scripture or scriptures exactly the same way so they do research as to why that is.

 

[The Learner]

You looking at Bosom of Abraham as a place of comfort is being symbolic. You have been saying the rich man Lazarus story is to be taken literally. Well if Abrahams bosom is to be taken symbolic I'm going to take the rich man Lazarus story as a parable that is not to be taken literally.

symbolic or literal, the text stills bear witness to the fact that those in the grave are alert and sleep like we do, friend.

 

[The Learner]

In this story of the rich man and Lazarus your taking the phrase, Bosom of Abraham symbolically, if you say its a place. So since you say in the rich man Lazarus story, the Bosom of Abraham is a place then that means you're taking the story symbolically, not literally.

ABRAHAM'S BOSOM:
By: Kaufmann Kohler
In the New Testament and in Jewish writings a term signifying the abodeof bliss in the other world. According to IV Macc. xiii. 17, the righteous who die for their faith are received by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in paradise (compare Matt. viii. 11: "Many shall come from the east and the west and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven"). In Ḳid. 72b, Adda bar Ahaba, a rabbi of the third century, is said to be "sitting in the bosom of Abraham," which means that he has entered paradise. With this should be compared the statement of R. Levi (Gen. R. xlviii.): "In the world to come Abraham sits at the gate of Gehenna, permitting none to enter who bears the seal of the covenant" (see Circumcision).

ABRAHAM'S BOSOM - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

jewishencyclopedia.com

 

[The Learner]

The JW's have no problem with what Bible a person uses. In fact the JW's use many different Bibles, in their search for the truth. Because they have used many different Bibles they recognize that not all Bibles translates a scripture or scriptures exactly the same way so they do research as to why that is.

' 46 And these will go away to eternal punish¬
ment, but the righteous to eternal life."

THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO
JOHN
CHAPTER 1
1 At the first there was the Word, and the Word was where God
was, and the Word was God.
2 He was at the first where God was. 3 Everything was made by his
agency, and not a thing that was made was made without his agency.
4 In him there was life, and the life was the light of men; 5 and the
light is shining in the darkness, and the darkness has not taken it in.
6 There was a man sent from God whose name was John. 7 This man
came for testimony, to testify about the light, that all might believe

, 12 joyously thanking the Father who qualified you for your
share in the lot of God's people in the light; 13 who delivered you out
of the jurisdiction of darkness and transferred you into the kingdom
of the Son of his love, 14 in whom we have redemption, the pardon of
sins,—
15 Who is image of the invisible God, firstborn of all creation, 16 be¬
cause in him everything was created in the heavens and on earth, the
visible and the invisible, be it thrones or lordships or governments
or dominions—everything has been created through him and to come
to him, 17 and before everything he is, and in him everything holds
together. 18 And he is the head of the body, the church, he who is the
beginning, the firstborn out of the dead, in order that he may take
the first place in every respect, 19 because in him all the fullness was
pleased to make its home 20 and through him to reconcile everything
to him, making peace through the blood of his cross, through him
whether it were the things on earth or the things in the heavens, 21 and
you who had once been estranged and hostile-minded in your wicked
deeds, 22 but whom he has now reconciled by his fleshly body through
death to present you holy and unblemished and irreproachable before
him 23 if so be that you keep to your faith, standing steady on solid
foundations and not shifting from the hope of the gospel you heard,

THE BIBLE
IN LIVING ENGLISH
Translated by Steuen T. Byington

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1101972130

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

ABRAHAM'S BOSOM:
By: Kaufmann Kohler
In the New Testament and in Jewish writings a term signifying the abodeof bliss in the other world. According to IV Macc. xiii. 17, the righteous who die for their faith are received by Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in paradise (compare Matt. viii. 11: "Many shall come from the east and the west and sit down with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven"). In Ḳid. 72b, Adda bar Ahaba, a rabbi of the third century, is said to be "sitting in the bosom of Abraham," which means that he has entered paradise. With this should be compared the statement of R. Levi (Gen. R. xlviii.): "In the world to come Abraham sits at the gate of Gehenna, permitting none to enter who bears the seal of the covenant" (see Circumcision).

ABRAHAM'S BOSOM - JewishEncyclopedia.com

Complete contents the 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia.

jewishencyclopedia.com

The point is you're taking Abraham's Bosom as being symbolic so the story of the rich man and Lazarus is a story to be taken symbolically. Just as Abraham's Bosom isn't being taken literally in the story neither am I going to take the rest of the story literally.

 

[Jack]

The JW's have no problem with what Bible a person uses. In fact the JW's use many different Bibles, in their search for the truth. Because they have used many different Bibles they recognize that not all Bibles translates a scripture or scriptures exactly the same way so they do research as to why that is.

And they all disagree with Kingdom Hall. Jesus is God and Hell fire is "everlasting" as Jesus clearly taught.