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[Lapidem]

Western Civilization, including America, is based on Christianity and is the best, most advanced society in human history.

I fairly spat my tea out reading that. You surely can not be serious. The USA is just about the most ****ed up society on the planet.
Crime is off the scale, police brutality is rife to the point of killing members of the public whilst being filmed doing it, millions are on food hand-out programmes, violence is everywhere, gun culture prevails . . . . I mean what have you been drinking?!!

 

[marksman]

You do realize that Satan was recreated as a creature that crawled on its belly right?

Genesis 3:14
"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"

That is literally reincarnation.

And while we are on this subject, the so called 'Serpent' that Satan was transformed into is what we call sperm.

Said sperm was placed in the loins of Adam to 'plant his Seed' into the ground (womb) of Eve. The result was Cain (thorns and thistles).

Cain was the first incarnation of Satan into Human form, thus completing the reincarnation process.

The so called 'dust' that the Serpent eats is the Seed of the Woman...

Genesis 3:15
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

The Seed of the Woman is not Jesus. It is literally her Ovum. The head of the Serpent is bruised when entering the Egg.

Enmity is conception. Two becomes one...

Ephesians 2:15
"Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace"

Euphemisms people. The Bible is full of them. It is the Meat of the Word.

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You do realize that Satan was recreated as a creature that crawled on its belly right?

Genesis 3:14
"And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:"

That is literally reincarnation.

And while we are on this subject, the so called 'Serpent' that Satan was transformed into is what we call sperm.

Said sperm was placed in the loins of Adam to 'plant his Seed' into the ground (womb) of Eve. The result was Cain (thorns and thistles).

Cain was the first incarnation of Satan into Human form, thus completing the reincarnation process.

The so called 'dust' that the Serpent eats is the Seed of the Woman...

Genesis 3:15
"And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel."

The Seed of the Woman is not Jesus. It is literally her Ovum. The head of the Serpent is bruised when entering the Egg.

Enmity is conception. Two becomes one...

Ephesians 2:15
"Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace"

Euphemisms people. The Bible is full of them. It is the Meat of the Word.

I will leave all the suppositions and theorizing to someone else.

 

[marksman]

In which respect you are making the case that god has changed. He used to be a vengeful, wrathful, murderous god as described in the OT but has somehow since seen the error of his ways and is now all compassion and luvvy-dovey. But a perfect god would not need to change of course. So somewhere the religious dogma is in error or false.

Nah! Somewhere you have lost your way and failed to understand what God is all about.

 

[I.O.U]

Peace in society is not the end Goal of Christian belief. The end goal of Christian belief is peace with God. And there are a few biblical warnings indicating that peace with the world is not God's intention for us.

Of course secular psychologists are not going to point to the obvious conclusion about beliefs. That they are spirits that overtake humans, who then desire to serve the spirit in question, to please them. All it takes is a little obedience to a spirit to become ensnared.

God is Spirit, but unlike these others, he is patient and gives us liberty. We must always make a choice to follow God. But try that in these other world beliefs and you are in for a harsh backlash.

Beliefs in general doll-face. There's no wiggle room in the theory here for you to slip your belief in. Besides why is your belief so much more true than anyone else? That's the problem with a belief, that it can't be disproven with another belief.

 

[I.O.U]

Western Civilization, including America, is based on Christianity and is the best, most advanced society in human history. So, there is that.

Like fudge it is.

 

[Wrangler]

The USA is just about the most ****ed up society on the planet.

You hate America as you hate God.

The truth is revealed by the fact that America does not have a secure southern border, yet people are flowing IN rather than OUT.

 

[Wrangler]

Western Civilization, including America, is based on Christianity and is the best, most advanced society in human history. So, there is that.

Like fudge it is.

What is "it"? Christian or best, most advanced society?

 

[Lapidem]

I’ll put aside your blasphemous statements about God.

If you consider the Bible blasphemous then that's on you. I nevertheless maintain that the OT paints god as vengeful, wrathful and murderous. The evidence:

VENGEFUL

Ezekiel 25:17
" I will execute great vengeance on them with wrathful rebukes. Then they will know that I am the Lord, when I lay my vengeance upon them.”"

Deuteronomy 32:35
"Vengeance is mine, and recompense, for the time when their foot shall slip; for the day of their calamity is at hand, and their doom comes swiftly.’"

Numbers 31:3
"So Moses spoke to the people, saying, “Arm men from among you for the war, that they may go against Midian to execute the Lord's vengeance on Midian."

1 Thessalonians 4:6
"That no one transgress and wrong his brother in this matter, because the Lord is an avenger in all these things, as we told you beforehand and solemnly warned you."

WRATHFUL

Colossians 3:6
"For it is because of these things that the wrath of God will come upon the sons of disobedience,"

Micah 5:15
“And I will execute vengeance in anger and wrath on the nations which have not obeyed.”

Isaiah 9:19
"By the fury of the Lord of hosts the land is burned up, and the people are like fuel for the fire; No man spares his brother."

Nahum 1:6
"Who can stand before His indignation?
Who can endure the burning of His anger?
His wrath is poured out like fire
And the rocks are broken up by Him."


MURDEROUS

Exodus/22/24
"And my wrath shall wax hot, and I will kill you with the sword; and your wives shall be widows, and your children fatherless."

Exodus 12:29
"At midnight the LORD struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well."

2 Chronicles 14:9 and 14:12
"Zerah the Cushite marched out against them with an army of thousands upon thousands and three hundred chariots, and came as far as Mareshah"

"The Lord struck down the Cushites before Asa and Judah. The Cushites fled, 13 and Asa and his army pursued them as far as Gerar. Such a great number of Cushites fell that they could not recover; they were crushed before the Lord and his forces."

Leviticus 10:2
"Aaron’s sons Nadab and Abihu took their censers, put fire in them and added incense; and they offered unauthorized fire before the Lord, contrary to his command. 2 So fire came out from the presence of the Lord and consumed them, and they died before the Lord."

1 Samuel 5
"The Lord’s hand was heavy on the people of Ashdod and its vicinity; he brought devastation on them and afflicted them with tumors"

Of course one could fill pages and pages listing the killings of god as written in the OT.

This is not remotely blasphemy. It is what is written.

When totted up the numbers of people that the Bible recounts as being killed by God run like this:

He smote or slew 1,670,083

He assisted others in the killing of 505,002

He killed in an unspecified manner 152,362

He killed by plague 108,711

He killed by natural phenomenon 602

These include men, women, children and babies

Overall the numbers of people killed by god in the Bible number about 2.8 million.

Some have estimated the killing toll to be closer to 25 million.

No-one in the history of the planet has killed more people than god it seems.

And the irony (hypocrisy?) of it all . . . . god commands "Thou shalt not kill"

Of course all the above only holds true if you believe the Bible is a literal account.

 

[lforrest]

Beliefs in general doll-face. There's no wiggle room in the theory here for you to slip your belief in. Besides why is your belief so much more true than anyone else? That's the problem with a belief, that it can't be disproven with another belief.

Hmm, I was speaking in general concerning any belief system. And since your thoughts are restrained by a spirit of some sort, I doubt you will be able to step back and see things from any other perspective.

I know the truth because I opened myself up to belief in Jesus and his word, and he showed me the truth found in scripture. I was set free of the delusions I believed before I came to him, and it was like they were as dust in the wind.

 

[Lapidem]

Nah! Somewhere you have lost your way and failed to understand what God is all about.

Like so many Christians you compartmentalise and blot out the nature of god described in the OT. That's denial and religious conditioning at work. Do you believe the Bible? Do you choose to ignore the OT? Do you believe the OT is wrong, fallible a lie?

 

[Lapidem]

You hate America as you hate God.

As always you presume to know what someone believes or in this case hates. It's a really childish attitude.

I neither hate America nor God. I simply stated the truth of the current state of America. It is utterly lost, utterly broken, has forsaken its people, run itself into $trillions of debt and become a paranoid entity wanting to rule the world and essentially putting the entire planet and humanity at risk by its warmongering. If you offered me a free $10 million home in the USA I would turn you down.

The truth is revealed by the fact that America does not have a secure southern border, yet people are flowing IN rather than OUT.

The only truth that exposes, is that the drugs trade is alive and kicking and the USA is not really interested in stopping it. It's good business for the corrupt people at the top of the food chain.

The USA is replete with huge problems which include:

Affordability of health care
Federal budget deficit
Violent Crime
Illegal Immigrants
Gun culture
Racism
Economic inequality
Unemployment
Domestic terrorism
Condition of roads, bridges and infrastructure
International terrorism
Sexism

Americans have a natural ego which makes them think they are the world super power. The reality is the USA is stuffed and no-one can admit it. Your leaders are a joke. The last real president you had was JFK and the cabal sorted him out and have ruled the roost ever since.

I don't hate the USA at all. I sincerely pity it. I pity the millions caught there. I pity the people who were forced to take toxic medical treatments that had not been fully tested. I pity the millions of Americans on food programmes. I pity the 60 million Americans who turned to charitable food assistance in 2020 whilst most of the crops produced in the USA were exported to other countries.

The American dream is just that.

The rest of us look on and resolve to never let our own country end up like America.

 

[I.O.U]

Hmm, I was speaking in general concerning any belief system. And since your thoughts are restrained by a spirit of some sort, I doubt you will be able to step back and see things from any other perspective.

I know the truth because I opened myself up to belief in Jesus and his word, and he showed me the truth found in scripture. I was set free of the delusions I believed before I came to him, and it was like they were as dust in the wind.

What did you believe before that was so delusional.

 

[I.O.U]

What is "it"? Christian or best, most advanced society?

Baseball and hotdogs, that's what fudges America (Not really)

 

[I.O.U]

As always you presume to know what someone believes or in this case hates. It's a really childish attitude.

I neither hate America nor God. I simply stated the truth of the current state of America. It is utterly lost, utterly broken, has forsaken its people, run itself into $trillions of debt and become a paranoid entity wanting to rule the world and essentially putting the entire planet and humanity at risk by its warmongering. If you offered me a free $10 million home in the USA I would turn you down.




The only truth that exposes, is that the drugs trade is alive and kicking and the USA is not really interested in stopping it. It's good business for the corrupt people at the top of the food chain.

The USA is replete with huge problems which include:

Affordability of health care
Federal budget deficit
Violent Crime
Illegal Immigrants
Gun culture
Racism
Economic inequality
Unemployment
Domestic terrorism
Condition of roads, bridges and infrastructure
International terrorism
Sexism

Americans have a natural ego which makes them think they are the world super power. The reality is the USA is stuffed and no-one can admit it. Your leaders are a joke. The last real president you had was JFK and the cabal sorted him out and have ruled the roost ever since.

I don't hate the USA at all. I sincerely pity it. I pity the millions caught there. I pity the people who were forced to take toxic medical treatments that had not been fully tested. I pity the millions of Americans on food programmes. I pity the 60 million Americans who turned to charitable food assistance in 2020 whilst most of the crops produced in the USA were exported to other countries.

The American dream is just that.

The rest of us look on and resolve to never let our own country end up like America.

Don't forget Obama I liked Obama (No I didn't, I loved Obama ) I hoped more presidents would follow him in style (Not in policy) in maturity.

 

[lforrest]

What did you believe before that was so delusional.

One thing I believed was that many people are inherently malevolent and distrusted everyone. But upon learning of the influences of the princes and powers of the air, decided to excuse much evil as being caused by the combination of those powers and other decisions people make. Decisions that were not necessary malevolent in nature, but may have been expedient. This led to me being more understanding of others.

 

[Wrangler]

If you consider the Bible blasphemous then that's on you. I nevertheless maintain that the OT paints god as vengeful, wrathful and murderous.

Well, as long as you deem a god that is vengeful, wrathful and annihilating all enemies with love, awe and worship, we are agreed.

 

[I.O.U]

One thing I believed was that many people are inherently malevolent and distrusted everyone. But upon learning of the influences of the princes and powers of the air, decided to excuse much evil as being caused by the combination of those powers and other decisions people make. Decisions that were not necessary malevolent in nature, but may have been expedient. This led to me being more understanding of others.

I say holding onto a belief causes human beings to act inhumane. Believing that unseen power's of the air are the cause of inhumane behaviour, would be just another belief.

 

[lforrest]

I say holding onto a belief causes human beings to act inhumane. Believing that unseen power's of the air are the cause of inhumane behaviour, would be just another belief.

There are many beliefs aligned to the enemy who's goal is to kill steal and destroy, and then there is belief in the creator and sustainer of our body, soul and spirit.
Matthew 7:13-14: “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”

Satan rebelled and imagined that he could be like God, and that was the first lie and first belief contrary to God. One still common today among Athiests.

 

[I.O.U]

There are many beliefs aligned to the enemy who's goal is to kill steal and destroy, and then there is belief in the creator and sustainer of our body, soul and spirit.
Matthew 7:13-14: “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.”

Satan rebelled and imagined that he could be like God, and that was the first lie and first belief contrary to God. One still common today among Athiests.

Oh am I going to smooch the belief out of you. First I'll smooch each of your eyes, soft smooches until you begin to giggle. Then I'll start smooching your nose, one smooch at a time Oh how happy you'll feel inside.

 

[Enoch111]

I say holding onto a belief causes human beings to act inhumane.

That is not the root cause at all. "The heart is deceitful and desperately wicked".