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they took/stole instead of asking.
Ask and ye shall recieve.
Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not covet. Thou shalt not eat of the tree of knowledge.
But they did and they did and they did.
And then they lied and blamed the other one and the other one.
Compounding the problem.
Things went down hill rather quickly. Kind of like society today. Heading down a long cliff.

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Totally correct. Which is why the (allegorical) story of Adam and Eve is so eye-opening. God tried to keep knowledge from them, denied them access to knowledge. He wanted them ignorant and effectively kept as goldfish in a bowl. When they succumbed to their natural desire to learn and get more knowledge and ate from the tree, god punished them severely. That's a pretty poor situation. People should really think through what really happened in that story.
I don't think that is what the story is trying to communicate. I think God was warning Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil at that time because he knew about what the serpent was going to do. God was not keeping Adam or Eve from anything in the garden.
 

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Estimates from 2021 suggest that of the entire U.S. population (332 million) about 63% is Christian (210 million). I presume you're not going to be so gullible as to suggest that all the messed up Americans are the non-Christians . . . .
Interesting.
 

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they took/stole instead of asking.
Ask and ye shall recieve.
Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not covet. Thou shalt not eat of the tree of knowledge.
How can you steal "knowledge"?

The universe is knowledge. It's all out there to be discovered and learned and it is our natural desire to expand our knowledge. Only a dictator and tyrant would seek to prevent humans from gaining more knowledge.

"Beginning on May 10, 1933, Nazi-dominated student groups carried out public burnings of books they claimed were “un-German.” The book burnings took place in 34 university towns and cities. Works of prominent Jewish, liberal, and leftist writers ended up in the bonfires. The book burnings stood as a powerful symbol of Nazi intolerance and censorship."

Suppressing knowledge is wicked, evil. Those that do it are equally wicked and evil.
 

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I don't think that is what the story is trying to communicate. I think God was warning Adam not to eat from the tree of knowledge of good and evil at that time because he knew about what the serpent was going to do. God was not keeping Adam or Eve from anything in the garden.
He was keeping them from knowledge. He was ensuring that they didn't get to know what he knew. Once they did, he apparently had a tantrum and chucked them out of the garden. But the story isn't real, only allegorical.
 

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How can you steal "knowledge"?

The universe is knowledge. It's all out there to be discovered and learned and it is our natural desire to expand our knowledge. Only a dictator and tyrant would seek to prevent humans from gaining more knowledge.

"Beginning on May 10, 1933, Nazi-dominated student groups carried out public burnings of books they claimed were “un-German.” The book burnings took place in 34 university towns and cities. Works of prominent Jewish, liberal, and leftist writers ended up in the bonfires. The book burnings stood as a powerful symbol of Nazi intolerance and censorship."

Suppressing knowledge is wicked, evil. Those that do it are equally wicked and evil.
It's was only the knowledge of good and evil. How is knowing good and evil going to explain to us the inner workings of the universe. In the story of Genesis God said to Adam there were are other trees in the garden he could eat from (knowledge food) Notice how most of what people talk about are based on what they believe to be good or bad(evil)
 
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He was keeping them from knowledge. He was ensuring that they didn't get to know what he knew. Once they did, he apparently had a tantrum and chucked them out of the garden. But the story isn't real, only allegorical.
I doubt that. Why? Because you're repeating an argument that comes from the ex-ehristian quarter. It's just a story anyway, so yeah, you know what I mean.
 

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“The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever.”

and the Christian proposition . . . .

Believe in X, Y and Z and you will live forever with god

Seems god can't make his mind up. Started out not wanting man to live forever and banished him from the source of immortality. Now the Church wants you to believe that god wants you to live forever!!

“For I the Lord do not change"

"Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of lights with whom there is no variation or shadow due to change."

Hmmm something is amiss there
 

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Rev 2:24
But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.

Evil = murder, stealing, lying, cheating, etc.
This tree of knowledge contained both good and evil.
And when they knew what they had done, they hid themselves.
They stole what didn't belong to them. They had it all except this one thing. Knowledge of evil.

Bacon isn't evil but if you don't cook it properly it can poison you.
Lots of health reasons for the dietary laws, such as shellfish can cause gout which is extremely painful and can lead to amputation more in men than in women.
Not all crickets are created equal and some bugs are poisonous, that's why we are told not to eat creeping things.

WEF States That We Will Eat Bugs Voluntarily Soon​

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M Dowling
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August 24, 2022
The UN, WEF, the EU, and Biden Administration want you to eat bugs in lieu of farming. That’s what they’re saying and the plan has been put into place.

A market research company, Meticulous Research, predicts the global market for edible insects could grow to $1.18 billion by 2023. That’s almost triple its current level.

They say the reason for its popularity is bugs emit less harmful gas than mainstream farm animals. They consume fewer resources than livestock. And as water becomes scarce (according to them), insects need less water.

This is as they destroy 30% of farming in Europe, Canada, and – soon – the USA.

The UN’s Agenda 2030 will cut 30% of land from farm production.

Biden’s 30×30 conservation plan cuts farming, grazing and logging by 30% by 2030. It is the WEF’s goal. It’s the UN’s goal as they move to global feudalism.

We’ll end up eating bugs because they are destroying our food supply.

Lev 11:41
And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.
Lev 11:42
Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination.

Because they could be poisonous.

You can have my plate... enjoy
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They had it all except this one thing. Knowledge of evil.

Had it all?!!!!!! Are you for real?!!

"The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it"

So he was created to be a slave. To work, endlessly, for someone else. Not free. A slave.

Basically a biological robot.

Worse still he was kept in ignorance so that he would know no better and accept that live of slavery. It was and is an appalling situation, an exploitation of man.

The secret of freedom

lies in educating people

whereas the secret of tyranny

is in keeping them ignorant.

Maximilien Robespierre

 
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Gen 2:15
And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

Consider this:
Rev 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Gen 2:5
And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground.

Psa 92:12
The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree: he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon.
Psa 92:13
Those that be planted in the house of the LORD shall flourish in the courts of our God.
Psa 92:14
They shall still bring forth fruit in old age; they shall be fat and flourishing;

Speaking of tending and keeping the garden:

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1Co 3:5
Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
1Co 3:6
I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
1Co 3:7
So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.
1Co 3:8
Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
1Co 3:9
For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
1Co 3:10
According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.

Instead of Paul and Apollos, you could say Who then is Adam, and who is Eve....

Your not very good with poetry are you?

You need to learn to think outside the matrix.
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they took/stole instead of asking.
Ask and ye shall recieve.
Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not covet. Thou shalt not eat of the tree of knowledge.
But they did and they did and they did.
And then they lied and blamed the other one and the other one.
Compounding the problem.
Things went down hill rather quickly. Kind of like society today. Heading down a long cliff.

Just sharing:

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many folks are overlooking this my friend . Do watch it real carefully . SOUNDS SO FAMILIAR DONT IT .
take close heed to what also gets said after about eight mins in , wait for it . wait for the answer
to the question . THEN KNOW and UNDERSTAND what days we are in , what SYSTEM we see .
PROPHECY IS FULLFILLING quicker and quicker .
 

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no . but disobeying GOD IS evil . GOD said dont eat from the tree , they DISOBEYED .
There was GOOD reason why GOD had said not too . EVERY WORD of the glorious LORD
is for our own good that we take heed and obey HIM .
Then you do that. Just don't expect that other people have to follow what you believe God wants them to do. Remember it's my choice to believe in God.
 

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Then you do that. Just don't expect that other people have to follow what you believe God wants them to do. Remember it's my choice to believe in God.
Jesus said to spread the word. He never said to force them to eat it.
You do you brother.
We'll love you just the same.
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many folks are overlooking this my friend . Do watch it real carefully . SOUNDS SO FAMILIAR DONT IT .
take close heed to what also gets said after about eight mins in , wait for it . wait for the answer
to the question . THEN KNOW and UNDERSTAND what days we are in , what SYSTEM we see .
PROPHECY IS FULLFILLING quicker and quicker .
They didn't get us with the jab. They won't get us with a chip under the skin.
You remember the old widow who gave two mites?

Luk 21:1
And he looked up, and saw the rich men casting their gifts into the treasury.
Luk 21:2
And he saw also a certain poor widow casting in thither two mites.
Luk 21:3
And he said, Of a truth I say unto you, that this poor widow hath cast in more than they all:
Luk 21:4
For all these have of their abundance cast in unto the offerings of God: but she of her penury hath cast in all the living that she had.

She didn't worry about where the next mite would come from and neither should we.

Mat 6:31
Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
Mat 6:32
(For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
Mat 6:33
But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

We weren't promised this was going to be easy.
But we are promised we will overcome.

Rev 15:2
And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

I believe there are enough people in the world that will turn down this kind of currency.
And we will turn to trade among ourselves.
Like the early church, we will take care of each other.

Job lost everything, but his latter end was better than his former.

Remember the widow in Zarephath?
1Ki 17:12
And she said, As the LORD thy God liveth, I have not a cake, but an handful of meal in a barrel, and a little oil in a cruse: and, behold, I am gathering two sticks, that I may go in and dress it for me and my son, that we may eat it, and die.
1Ki 17:13
And Elijah said unto her, Fear not; go and do as thou hast said: but make me thereof a little cake first, and bring it unto me, and after make for thee and for thy son.
1Ki 17:14
For thus saith the LORD God of Israel, The barrel of meal shall not waste, neither shall the cruse of oil fail, until the day that the LORD sendeth rain upon the earth.
1Ki 17:15
And she went and did according to the saying of Elijah: and she, and he, and her house, did eat many days.
1Ki 17:16
And the barrel of meal wasted not, neither did the cruse of oil fail, according to the word of the LORD, which he spake by Elijah.

Remember:
Act 20:35
I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive.

and again:

Luk 6:38
Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.


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Had it all?!!!!!! Are you for real?!!

"The Lord God took the man and put him in the Garden of Eden to work it and take care of it"

So he was created to be a slave. To work, endlessly, for someone else. Not free. A slave.

Basically a biological robot.

Worse still he was kept in ignorance so that he would know no better and accept that live of slavery. It was and is an appalling situation, an exploitation of man.

The secret of freedom

lies in educating people

whereas the secret of tyranny

is in keeping them ignorant.

Maximilien Robespierre

Imagine what it's like trying to describe the colors of the rainbow to a blind person.
That's the same as trying to explain spiritual things to carnally minded people.
They just can't see it.
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