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Episkopos

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Yes, i'd like to know as well. Epi, are you saying that we are not saved by the Blood of the Lamb?

The Blood of the Lamb is the life that is found in Christ...resurrection life. The standard of the true gospel goes far beyond what is being preached nowadays. The resurrection power of Christ is seen as "demonic" by some here.
What purpose then was the sacrifice for sin?

The sacrifice was meant for the whole world...not just religious opportunists. ...to get back ownership of God's creation back to Him. God will have mercy on whomever He wills. We are not to judge. If we judge...then we will be judged.
That we can be saved by believing on Jesus is the Good News, the Gospel.

Yes. But saved to what? In a great house are vessels both of honour AND dishonour.

The weeping and gnashing of teeth is for many who will be saved. Those who are dead in the second death have no time to do so.
We can never be "good" of ourselves, but we are justified when we accept Him..

No one can claim to be justified based on their beliefs any more than we can justify ourselves for our good works.

A justified person will not know they are such until judgment day. No one is eternally justified for a present belief. And those who walk in the resurrection life of Christ KNOW they are walking in a justified way...by the very righteousness of God they are experiencing.
And as we are justified , we are taught of the Holy Spirit which is sanctification. The more we release to Christ, the more He fills us.

Theoretically, yes. But in practice, the carnal flesh in a person gets puffed up through vain religion...more often than not.

Is that still sanctification? Can we be sanctified apart from the presence of God in Zion? I say...NO.
And what you say about others religions has truth as well--God's people are in every church. When confronted with the truth according to Christ, they will come out.

According to God's will. There are the righteous...the sincere. God looks at the heart. God is NOT a bigot. People are such...and they change the truth of God into a lie...that serves their own self-interest.

Nobody seems to think that a conflict of interest is a danger.


Rev 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

But Allah is not God--he does not have a son, and the book written of him has different philosophy than the Bible.

Are you talking about Arab Christians? Will you condemn them to hell to justify yourself?

Learn a bit about Arabic...before making arrogant and ignorant statements such as this.
That is a problem. How is that rectified? And for the others that have their books?
Christians are supposed to win people to the Lord through their love and spiritual power. But sadly, the modern church is full of dogmatic ideologues that amuse themselves by condemning all who don't hold to the same ideology as themselves.

If I hadn't been personally converted by Christ Himself...there is NO way I would identify with the buffoonery we see among so called "believers" of today.
 
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The Blood of the Lamb is the life that is found in Christ...resurrection life. The standard of the true gospel is fa beyond what is being preached nowadays. The resurrection power of Christ is seen as "demonic" by some here.


The sacrifice was meant for the whole world...not just religious opportunists. ...to get back ownership of God's creation back to Him. God will have mercy on whomever He wills. We are not to judge. If we judge...then we will be judged.


Yes. But saved to what? In a great house are vessels both of honour AND dishonour.

The weeping and gnashing of teeth is for many who will be saved. Those who are dead in the second death have no time to do so.


No one can claim to be justified based on their beliefs any more than we can justify ourselves for our good works.

A justified person will not know they are such until judgment day. No one is eternally justified for a present belief. And those who walk in the resurrection life of Christ KNOW they are walking in a justified way...by the very righteousness of God they are experiencing.


Theoretically, yes. But in practice, the carnal flesh in a person gets puffed up through vain religion...more often than not.

Is that still sanctification? Can we be sanctified apart from the presence of God in Zion? I say...NO.


According to God's will. There are the righteous...the sincere. God looks at the heart. God is NOT a bigot. People are such...and they change the truth of God into a lie...that serves their own self-interest.

Nobody seems to think that a conflict of interest is a danger.




Are you talking about Arab Christians? Will you condemn them to hell to justify yourself?

Learn a bit about Arabic...before making arrogant and ignorant statements such as this.

Christians are supposed to win people to the Lord through their love and spiritual power. But sadly, the modern church is full of dogmatic ideologues that amuse themselves by condemning all who don't hold to the same ideology as themselves.

If I hadn't been personally converted by Christ Himself...there is NO way I would identify with the buffoonery we see among so called "believers" of today.
and the false teachings continue again another day.
 

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To the Muslims, Allah is God. And He is the same God as the Judeo-Christian God. It doesn't matter if the book written of him has different philosophy than the Bible. God is God.
There is only one God. To the Babylonians, Marduk was God. Are he and God the same? Nope! But he was god to them.

And it certainly does matter about the books. The Koran says Jesus was not crucified, but was raised to God and saved from his enemies (Quran 4:157-158). Jesus had to die, that we might live, and to deny this, is to deny the Word, which God has provided for us.
 

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A spiritual disciple is one who has been born again from above (with a sample of grace) and has gone to the Lord for the full measure of grace at the throne of grace. Basically it's one who has been baptized in the Spirit and fire...and who walks in the fear of the Lord. It is one who has been broken in the outer man (through the power of the cross) to walk by faith in Christ. And one who knows the power of the gospel having walked as Jesus walked.

It's all of these things...
That’s interesting..I certainly understand a lot of what you say here, it’s amazing how God births us in the Spirit, through the Holy Spirit, it’s a supernatural act that only God can do, quite a lot of scripture on it as well....The Holy Spirit is so gentle, yet OH so Powerful!!.....we certainly know when we have been birthed in the Spirit..I did anyway...blew my mind....Praise God!
 
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There is only one God. To the Babylonians, Marduk was God. Are he and God the same? Nope! But he was god to them.

And it certainly does matter about the books. The Koran says Jesus was not crucified, but was raised to God and saved from his enemies (Quran 4:157-158). Jesus had to die, that we might live, and to deny this, is to deny the Word, which God has provided for us.
The Jews don't believe in Jesus at all. Does that mean that their God...ELOHIM...is not God?

Fundamentalists don't listen to Jesus at all...but claim His salvation.

Who is denying the word? (apart from what is based on self-interest?)
 

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Are you talking about Arab Christians? Will you condemn them to hell to justify yourself?

Learn a bit about Arabic...before making arrogant and ignorant statements such as this.
I have condemned no one. What did i say that was incorrect? And i haven't tried to justify myself. I am saying that the Allah and God are two different beings, with two different books. and the term christian implies that one follows the teaches of Christ. I said nothing about Arab Christians--God's people are in every church. I was not arrogant. Why does that make you upset?

What cracks me up about folk like you is that when someone asks a question that bothers you, you start getting bent out of shape and call the questioner names, instead of rational discussion. I guess I am supposed to feel my face slapped or have a bit of mortification. I have neither.
 
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That’s interesting..I certainly understand a lot of what you say here, it’s amazing how God births us in the Spirit, through the Holy Spirit, it’s a supernatural act that only God can do, quite a lot of scripture on it as well....The Holy Spirit is so gentle, yet OH so Powerful!!.....we certainly know when we have been birthed in the Spirit..I did anyway...blew my mind....Praise God!
Amen. Understanding a lot of what I say will make you an enemy among the crows. :rolleyes: God's gift is powerful and glorious. But don't let that experience go to your head...as so many do here. Use that goodness...that sample of His infiniteness...to seek the Lord until He is found. And you will find an eternal blessing.

Many here claim to be born again...which I don't see at all being true.

If they are born again, then that is by EXPERIENCE of God through the Holy Spirit.

This is how you can spot a fake very easily... If THAT experience is real...then it opens up the potential disciple to an even deeper experience of oneness with God through sanctification.

When that deeper experience is seen as unChristian or demonic...you know you are dealing with reprobates.
 
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Blessings GWT27. Out of curiosity, would you say it's better for radical Muslims to keep killing Christians (to get that Armageddon train a rollin' )?? or would it be better to seek meaningful dialogue with Muslim leaders who are willing to find ways to end the senseless violence???
Pope Francis didn't choose the name "Francis" because it looks cute and fashionable.

Eight centuries ago, St. Francis of Assisi took a risk when he crossed the battlefield between Crusader and Muslim forces near Damietta, Egypt, desiring to meet Sultan al-Malik al-Kamil and preach his faith in Jesus Christ.

At the time – 1219 – Christian forces were in the midst of the Fifth Crusade, which was eventually repelled by the sultan’s superior army near the town that was a centre of trade and commerce on the Nile River where it flows into the Mediterranean Sea.

The future saint readily put his life on the line so he could witness his faith to the famed Muslim sultan, and in doing so both men came away with a new respect for the faith of the other, Franciscan Rev. Michael Calabria told a Nov. 7 conference at The Catholic University of America in Washington.

Early retellings of the meeting describe al-Kamil as willingly listening to St. Francis as he preached and being a gracious host, said Father Calabria, director of the Center for Arab and Islamic Studies at St. Bonaventure University in New York.

The future saint witnessed peacefully and his subsequent writings reveal the meeting had a profound impact on his life, the priest told participants in the event titled The Sultan and the Saint: The Spiritual Journey of Transformative Encounter.

While the sultan did not relinquish his Islamic faith, he asked his Italian visitor to pray for him so that he would follow God more closely, Father Calabria said.

The future saint witnessed peacefully and his subsequent writings reveal the meeting had a profound impact on his life, the priest told participants in the event titled The Sultan and the Saint: The Spiritual Journey of Transformative Encounter.

While the sultan did not relinquish his Islamic faith, he asked his Italian visitor to pray for him so that he would follow God more closely, Father Calabria said.

In setting the scene for such an unlikely meeting, Lev Weitz, associate professor of history and director of Islamic world studies at The Catholic University of America, described how St. Francis would not have been much of an anomaly to al-Kamil, an educated man who appreciated cultural exchanges.

Damietta was not a city isolated from the world. As a major port, merchants from Africa, Asia and Europe – the Italian city-states in particular – passed through continuously, Weitz said. That means Latin-rite Catholics from Europe would hardly be an unusual site among the majority Muslim population.

In setting the scene for such an unlikely meeting, Lev Weitz, associate professor of history and director of Islamic world studies at The Catholic University of America, described how St. Francis would not have been much of an anomaly to al-Kamil, an educated man who appreciated cultural exchanges.

Damietta was not a city isolated from the world. As a major port, merchants from Africa, Asia and Europe – the Italian city-states in particular – passed through continuously, Weitz said. That means Latin-rite Catholics from Europe would hardly be an unusual site among the majority Muslim population.

Undertaking such an encounter, it’s unlikely St. Francis could have predicted his visit “would have been so inspirational to the people of today,” said Imam Mohamed Bashar Arafat, president of the Civilizations Exchange and Cooperation Foundation, in Columbia, Maryland.

“To me St. Francis’ mission was a sacred mission for every Muslim, every Christian, every human being, religious or nonreligious. It is a story of reaching out to the other for the sake of peace, reconciliation and harmony,” Arafat told the conference.

St. Francis’ example is an invitation to people today to leave their “comfort zone and accept the challenges” presented in life, to move beyond hatred and violence to achieve peace, he said.

Likewise, the custos of the Holy Land, Franciscan Rev. Francesco Patton, told the conference St. Francis’ meeting with the sultan was “so important and significant for him and for us that in his writings after 1220 we find everywhere echoes and traces of the journey.”

He pointed to how Francis reminds the faithful that “(we are) not to make quarrels or disputes, to be subjects and subject to every human creature for the love of God, confessing to be Christians.”

In addition, he said, “we must be at the service of all for the love of God and it is essential to have a very clear Christian identity.”

With such practices in mind, the Custody of the Holy Land that Father Patton oversees, continues ongoing collaboration through schools in which thousands of Christian and Muslim children are enrolled, cooperative programs for peace and service to migrants and refugees. Father Patton said such endeavors keep alive the memory of the historic encounter of cultures.

“The meeting at Damietta reminds us of how barren both the use of violence and how illusory is victory obtained by force, how fragile is any peace obtained with the defeat of the enemy,” the custos said.

Pope Francis has repeatedly recalled the meeting himself. The dialogue that emerged between a poor Christian and a Muslim leader can serve as an example of the fraternity of humanity, Archbishop Christophe Pierre, papal nuncio to the United States, told participants.

St. Francis went across the war zone in an attempt to encounter the other, he said,
and Pope Francis invites the faithful to encounter others unlike them in the same spirit.

“We know the history, but we have a tendency to forget about that,” he said. “Francis came not as an ideologue, but as a missionary with a message of peace.

“He did not try to force the sultan to believe, rather his approach was to propose Jesus. The church must recognize that the faith can only be proposed. It can never be imposed.

Similarly, Archbishop Pierre continued, Pope Francis has emulated the saint in stressing the fraternity of the human family throughout his papacy in the documents he has promulgated and the interreligious outreach he has undertaken.

In particular, Pope Francis’ meeting with Sheikh Ahmed el-Tayeb, the grand imam of al-Azhar, in the United Arab Emirates in February was noteworthy for the declaration both men signed to promote human fraternity and respect, he said.

“He sees human fraternity as a path for peace and mutual understanding in our world, a true force for good.”

Blessings Illuminator! Thank you so much for the history. Yes I walk through the war zone also but not alone. And yes like St Frances the animals come to me also. I believe that they have eyes to see their Creator better than most of mankind. My battle is not against flesh and blood. I am not Catholic, nor am I Protestant, I am simply His and He is mine. The words I was led to write had nothing to do with Pope Francis as perhaps was assumed. I do not attack Catholics as some are my brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus. Love has me attack no one, as The Lord has created us all. But sometimes, The Lord has me reveal what is hidden, as there is nothing hidden from His eyes. It is wiser for things to be revealed now, then later. So thanks again, and have a Blessed day!
 

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If I hadn't been personally converted by Christ Himself...there is NO way I would identify with the buffoonery we see among so called "believers" of today.

The Jews don't believe in Jesus at all. Does that mean that their God...ELOHIM...is not God?

Fundamentalists don't listen to Jesus at all...but claim His salvation.

Who is denying the word? (apart from what is based on self-interest?)
Don't divert, Allah of the Muslims is not the YHVH of both Jews and Goyim.
You have dug a hole, fell into it-and are unable to get yourself out of it.
Every comment you make, you sink down, deeper and deeper-
 

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I have condemned no one. What did i say that was incorrect? And i haven't tried to justify myself. I am saying that the Allah and God are two different beings, with two different books. and the term christian implies that one follows the teaches of Christ. I said nothing about Arab Christians--God's people are in every church. I was not arrogant. Why does that make you upset?

You are saying some very nasty things here. I hate it when fellow Christians are relegated to being unbelievers or worse. All Arabic speaking Christians say Allah...the Arabic word for "God." When you hear the word" Allah" you react against it based on Muslim extremism. When I hear the word "Allah" I think of my Arabic Christian brethren who are being killed by those extremists. They are more real than the supposed believers in the West. So I will defend them.

I will defend my brothers who are so foreign they are basically seen as un-American.

We are not to judge with ignorance and arrogance as our guide. We are to judge righteous judgment.

Find out more about Arabic speaking Christians. The word for God in Arabic is "Allah". A term used by Coptic Christians and others for centuries before Islam existed.
What cracks me up about folk like you is that when someone asks a question that bothers you, you start getting bent out of shape and call the questioner names, instead of rational discussion. I guess I am supposed to feel my face slapped or have a bit of mortification. I have neither.
The time fits the crime. I've tried rational arguments.....but to do that one would have to be confronting another rational argument.
 
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I advice caution by reading Epi's posts, keen discernment is imperative.
Why would you advise someone to have something you have none of?

The crows will always try to dump on anyone who is spiritual...or has that potential. The devil HATES the truth.
 
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Don't divert, Allah of the Muslims is not the YHVH of both Jews and Goyim.
You have dug a hole, fell into it-and are unable to get yourself out of it.
Every comment you make, you sink down, deeper and deeper-
You have fallen into your own hole. Your ignorance and arrogance are on full display. The fact that your religious pride remains intact (and being MORE puffed up) means that you will be dealt with in a later more permanent way.

"Coptic Christians also use the word Allah for God. Some scholars are of the opinion that the word Allah is made up of two Arabic words. Al meaning 'The' and Ilah meaning God. 'The God' as opposed to 'A God'. Again in line with strict monotheistic traditions"
 

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There is only one God. To the Babylonians, Marduk was God. Are he and God the same? Nope! But he was god to them.

And it certainly does matter about the books. The Koran says Jesus was not crucified, but was raised to God and saved from his enemies (Quran 4:157-158). Jesus had to die, that we might live, and to deny this, is to deny the Word, which God has provided for us.
Enforcement is what “There is only One God” sounds like …instead of knowing there is only One God so all other “gods” become nothing to divide or fight over. . To me the freedom is I am beginning to see I do not belong to any denomination and can go to whatever gathering I want to go to…all of them… to Muslims, to Jehovah witnesses, to a Catholic service, to Mormon, to even those who don’t even know what god they serve. Having knowledge of lower case “gods” are nothing because there is only One God, God who is charitable and graceful and merciful not only to those who are graceful but to those ungrateful too, giving not only to those who love Him but also to those who do not love Him. He does not only salute those who salute Him. This is seen in the law of jealousies when Peter sat with the gentiles but when the spirit of law of jealousies come in…condemnation come in…Peter separated himself from the gentiles out of fear of the Jewish law givers who would be bitter and curse Peter for sitting with the gentiles. Devilish …with partiality.

Fearing “gods” when it says to not fear any “gods”; to not fear what men can do to the body…but to fear God. Who became a blessing so that you could become a blessing and not a curse. To me we fear idols because we consider them idols (something of greatness to be feared as if they hold some power)…when they are nothing. We say there is no other God but One…then say others serve another god. How can it be there is only One God…but many gods? How is that possible when idols and gods are dead and nothing and without power….and not God
 
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I advice caution by reading Epi's posts, keen discernment is imperative.
In honesty Brother, it was the Holy Spirit who spoke to me through him, ..we are led by the Spirit, I know a few won’t agree, but hey, that’s ok, we’re all searching for God’s truth,....God Bless You.
 

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Why would you advise someone to have something you have none of?

The crows will always try to dump on anyone who is spiritual...or has that potential. The devil HATES the truth.
You don't have gospel truth-not born from above, by your own admission-no need for the necessity of the rebirth-you are advocating Gnosticism-you don't have a sound foundation to build upon, but your own philosophical ideas and ideologies foreign to Scriptures.

You hold to kabbalah-mysticism-and unless any believer has not been "initiated" into a higher jihel/أُحجِيَّة-no one on this platform is a Christian, UNLESS they agree with your nonsense.

1Co 3:8 Now he that planteth and he that watereth are one: and every man shall receive his own reward according to his own labour.
1Co 3:9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
1Co 3:10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
1Co 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
1Co 3:12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
1Co 3:13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
1Co 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
1Co 3:17
If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
1Co 3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
1Co 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Co 3:20 And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
1Co 3:21
Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
1Co 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
1Co 3:23 And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.


defile. Greek. phtheiro. Same word as "destroy" below. Occurs also in 1Co_15:33. 2Co_7:2; 2Co_11:3. Eph_4:22. Jud_1:10. Rev_19:2 (corrupt). The word "mar" will suit both clauses. The man who mars God's Temple by introducing divisions, and the wisdom that is not from above (Jam_3:15), will himself be marred (1Co_3:15).
 

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He simply doesn't have the same self-interest as you. Why do you want more people to dump on me? Can't you see how carnal you are???
I don't want that......I was simply pointing out an inconsistency in someone who apparently doesn't tolerate ranting very well.....selectively. Amazing how you twist everything in order to give you an excuse to accuse. That isn't honest. Not good fruit. Red flag.

In the OT...yes. But in the NT this is more specific to being spiritual IN Christ. (I write this for others here) In Christ is found "true holiness". And not just a place marker. Holiness is about intimacy with God. (Something the crows believe will only happen after they die....wait for the surprise)
All those scriptures I gave were new testament scrips. Because God HAS NOT GIVEN US THE SPIRIT OF THE WORLD. What binds people of the world together is the spirit of the world. And what separates believers from the world and binds us to one another is having the SPIRIT OF CHRIST. We are to come out from among them and be separate according to this new testament scrip:

2Co 6:14-18
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,
And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.


But does this mean to be unkind and unloving or smug towards unbelievers? Of course not. But you would need to have the Holy Spirit to help you understand what it does mean.

The world and its ways is not the same as befriending a non-believer. Bigots should realize this. Being intolerant and unfriendly...as you crows are...only brings disrepute to God. Judgment is coming.
As I said, of course not. Jesus ate and drank with people of the world in order to bring the gospel to them (not for the purpose of partying and enjoying Himself) and we are well instructed to love even our enemies. But it suits you to continually believe otherwise about people who don't agree with you so you can accuse us.

Being yoked is to be married or in partnership with. A witness for Christ can't compromise with unbelievers.
It means more than that.

This is NOT true at all.

40 for whoever is not against us is for us. 41 Truly I tell you, anyone who gives you a cup of water in my name because you belong to the Messiah will certainly not lose their reward.
There is only one name under heaven by which man can be saved. Sounds pretty exclusive to me. And there is no one righteous, no not one.

Have you considered that there are earthly rewards as well as heavenly? People who do right in this life apart from Christ, can and do reap earthly blessings.
 

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You are saying some very nasty things here. I hate it when fellow Christians are relegated to being unbelievers or worse. All Arabic speaking Christians say Allah...the Arabic word for "God." When you hear the word" Allah" you react against it based on Muslim extremism. When I hear the word "Allah" I think of my Arabic Christian brethren who are being killed by those extremists. They are more real than the supposed believers in the West. So I will defend them.

I will defend my brothers who are so foreign they are basically seen as un-American.

We are not to judge with ignorance and arrogance as our guide. We are to judge righteous judgment.

Find out more about Arabic speaking Christians. The word for God in Arabic is "Allah". A term used by Coptic Christians and others for centuries before Islam existed.

The time fits the crime. I've tried rational arguments.....but to do that one would have to be confronting another rational argument.
i have condemned no one. I am not reacting against Muslim extremism. I know the Koran says Jesus is a prophet, but was not crucified. In saying that, where have I condemned anyone/We have a problem here with differences in the books, and the sacrifice of Christ. The Koran says he was not crucified. How does that make me someone who is speaking of Muslim extremism.?

You, otoh, have tried to condemn me a couple of times.

I

The time fits the crime. I've tried rational arguments.....but to do that one would have to be confronting another rational argument.
Is it because you cannot answer?
 
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