Water Baptism: How? Why? When?

[lesjude]

The confusion about water baptism comes from Matt. 28:19. However there should not be any. The scripture is clear: Colossians 3:17 (New King James Version)
[sup]17[/sup] And whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through Him.
The apostles certainly understood the name Jesus was talking about because this is what they said and did: Acts 2:38 (New King James Version[sup]38[/sup]Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Acts 19:4-5 (New King James Version)
[sup]4[/sup] Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
[sup]5[/sup] When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
There is a supernatural power to resist sin that you receive BY FAITH when you are baptized in Jesus' name by immersion, sometimes referred to as apostolic baptism. Because if you don't know this you can be baptized till you are 'pruny" and it will make no difference! You can only believe for what you know about. Circumcision and baptism are equivalent. Col 12:11-14. In Joshua 5 he circumcised them before the wars to take the land so they were in covenant and could win. It is the same for baptism for us when engaging in spiritual warfare. There will be open doors for the devil to oppress and stop us.Mark 16:16-18 (New King James Version)
[sup]16[/sup] He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. [sup]17[/sup] And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; [sup]18[/sup] they[sup][a][/sup] will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.” I am not teaching water baptism to be saved. One is saved when he receives Christ. Water baptism in Jesus name of a person old enough to understand is the first act of obedience in the walk of salvation. Infant baptism is not in the Bible.

Here is the supernatural power over sin that few understand so they do not receive. Remember it is BY FAITH and if you do not know you cannot receive and believe. It is in Romans chapter 6, dead to sin, alive to Christ! This gives you supernatural power to resist sin, but only if you resist the sinful thoughts in Jesus' name the devil puts in your head to convince you that you are still a sinner. Please read all of Romans 6:1-14
There are big denominations that have not received this and as a result teach that the Christian has two natures, sinful and regenerate. This is nowhere taught in the Bible!
I strongly recommend that you be baptized again. Any believer can do this, even yourself. I have re-baptized several when they realized how important it really is. It is never legalism to do what Jesus says to do, the way He says to do it. He gives grace and protection in the meantime until we see the truth and do it.

 

[JLB]

Matthew 28:19-20

19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

I agree with what you are saying...

Never the less, I would like to ask you a couple of questions.

Why do you think Jesus stated what He did here? [He could have said "Go and baptize them in My Name".]

How many baptisms do you think there are?

What is the name of The Holy Spirit?


Thanks, JLB

 

[lesjude]

Matthew 28:19-20

19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

I agree with what you are saying...

Never the less, I would like to ask you a couple of questions.

Why do you think Jesus stated what He did here? [He could have said "Go and baptize them in My Name".]

He knew the apostles would know what He meant.
Acts 4:10-12

New King James Version (NKJV)
[sup]10 [/sup]let it be known to you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead, by Him this man stands here before you whole. [sup]11 [/sup]This is the ‘stone which was rejected by you builders, which has become the chief cornerstone.’[sup][a][/sup] [sup]12 [/sup]Nor is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

How many baptisms do you think there are?

One water baptism. The Acts 2:4 experience which sometimes referred to as "baptism" in the Holy spirit and was referred to by John the Baptist by that term. Matthew 3:11
What is the name of The Holy Spirit?
He is referred to as the Spirit of truth, Comforter (Perekletos), Holy Spirit of promise.
If you are "oneness" i.e. Apostoloic Pentecostal or Church Of Christ we have nothing more to discuss.

Thanks, JLB

 

[JLB]

One water baptism. The Acts 2:4 experience which sometimes referred to as "baptism" in the Holy spirit and was referred to by John the Baptist by that term. Matthew 3:11
What is the name of The Holy Spirit?
He is referred to as the Spirit of truth, Comforter (Perekletos), Holy Spirit of promise.
If you are "oneness" i.e. Apostoloic Pentecostal or Church Of Christ we have nothing more to discuss.

Thanks, JLB

He knew the Apostles would know what He meant.

Do you think we know what He meant?

What is the name of the Son?

I am not affiliated with any denomination.


Paul, in His letter to the Corinthians stated - 1 Corinthians 10:1-4

1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

Paul was referencing "types" of baptisms from the "old testament".

I wonder why he referred to 3 different baptisms?

I personally see three in the scriptures.


Thanks, JLB

 

[lesjude]

He knew the Apostles would know what He meant.

Do you think we know what He meant?

Most do not seem to because they do not baptize in Jesus name.

What is the name of the Son?

Jesus: I Am, and all the other redemptive names revealed in both OT and NT

I am not affiliated with any denomination.

I am not either.

Paul, in His letter to the Corinthians stated - 1 Corinthians 10:1-4

1 Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 3 all ate the same spiritual food, 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink. For they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them, and that Rock was Christ.

Paul was referencing "types" of baptisms from the "old testament".

I wonder why he referred to 3 different baptisms?

I personally see three in the scriptures.

One baptism here, into the OT covenant of Moses. The cloud and the sea refers to their protection by these things. The Egyptians were the ones whio got "baptized".
The NT refers to a baptisim of repentance that John did to prepare the way for Christ. Acts 19:1-6. This type of baptism could be repeated just prior to Christ's second coming but I do not see it in scripture. But maybe in the book by the great Italian prophet Malachi. 4:4-6.


Thanks, JLB

 

[JLB]

Jesus: I Am, and all the other redemptive names revealed in both OT and NT


I am not either.



One baptism here, into the OT covenant of Moses. The cloud and the sea refers to their protection by these things. The Egyptians were the ones whio got "baptized".
The NT refers to a baptisim of repentance that John did to prepare the way for Christ. Acts 19:1-6. This type of baptism could be repeated just prior to Christ's second coming but I do not see it in scripture. But maybe in the book by the great Italian prophet Malachi. 4:4-6.


Thanks, JLB

all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,

all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,


How is it that you see only one baptism here?

 

[lesjude]

all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,

all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,


How is it that you see only one baptism here?

I explained it. If you see 2 I do not. They were not in the cloud, Moses was on the mountain. They were not in the warter because Moses parted the sea; the Egyptians were. It is referring to 2 things that Moses did for them that saved their miserable hides until they all died in unbelief in the wilderness except Caleb and Joshua.

 

[JLB]

I explained it. If you see 2 I do not. They were not in the cloud, Moses was on the mountain. They were not in the warter because Moses parted the sea; the Egyptians were. It is referring to 2 things that Moses did for them that saved their miserable hides until they all died in unbelief in the wilderness except Caleb and Joshua.

The things you refer to are great.

However, I am referring to scripture.

The scripture I am referring to reads: 1 Corinthians 10:2 NKJV

all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,

Paul is saying: all were baptized into Moses, all were baptized in the cloud, all were baptized in the sea.

This old testament type is referring to a new testament reality. The new testament reality is baptism.

Paul references 3 different baptisms.

Moses - which represents us being baptized into Jesus

The Cloud - Which represents Jesus baptizing us with The Holy Spirit

The Sea - Which represents being baptized in water.




Thanks, JLB

 

[lesjude]

The things you refer to are great.

However, I am referring to scripture.

The scripture I am referring to reads: 1 Corinthians 10:2 NKJV

all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea,

This old testament type is referring to a new testament reality. The new testament reality is baptism.

Paul references 3 different baptisms.

Moses - which represents us being baptized into Jesus

The Cloud - Which represents being baptized into The Holy Spirit

The Sea - Which represents being baptized in water.

There are three baptisms in the new testament. would you like to see them.


Thanks, JLB

It says no where we are "baptized" into Jesus. It says we are born from above when we believe/receive.

 

[JLB]

Romans 6:3

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?

 

[lesjude]

Romans 6:3

Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death?

True. you have done well.