What is New Testament Faith?

[Enoch111]

New Testament faith remains a revolutionary concept for most believers.

More baloney from Episkopos. Firstly there is no such thing as "New Testament faith". The faith of Abel (the son of Adam) is the same as that of every believer. By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. (Heb 11:4) So God imputed righteousness to Abel because Abel believed and trusted God.

So what does it mean? Faith is simply believing and trusting God and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. This is not "a revolutionary concept" since it is the same as it has always been. So every time Episkopos posts something he twists the Scriptures (to his own destruction).

 

[Episkopos]

More baloney from Episkopos. Firstly there is no such thing as "New Testament faith". The faith of Abel (the son of Adam) is the same as that of every believer. By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh. (Heb 11:4) So God imputed righteousness to Abel because Abel believed and trusted God.

So what does it mean? Faith is simply believing and trusting God and believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. This is not "a revolutionary concept" since it is the same as it has always been. So every time Episkopos posts something he twists the Scriptures (to his own destruction).

LOL. I never said that the OT standard of faith was obsolete.

Most bible readers don't seem to be able to understand how to compare things. On Sesame Street...there was a song called. "One of these things is not like the other". Then came the difficult process of finding something that was different. Maybe some here were able to successfully navigate through that selection process????

Now Jesus speaks of faith in a different way. Not just a trusting what God CAN do...but what God is DOING. Even a little tiny bit of THAT faith can moves mountains according to the Son of God.

What? Does it say that that kind of faith trusts that GOD can move that mountain if HE wants? No, that would be the OT standard.

The NT standard is involved in the miracle itself.

Why did Jesus say Peter lacked faith AFTER he had already walked on water for a time?

(I know I'm already speaking WAY over the heads of most here....so I'll stop now before more people get brain strains :) )

 

[Behold]

Now Jesus speaks of faith in a different way.

Jesus said..>>"ALL that believe in Me, I give unto them ETERNAL LIFE, and they shall never go to Hell (Perish)...

"Faith is counted as righteousness".

"Justification by faith"

 

[Episkopos]

Jesus said..>>"ALL that believe in Me, I give unto them ETERNAL LIFE, and they shall never go to Hell (Perish)...

"Faith is counted as righteousness".

"Justification by faith"

Poor you. Religion does strange things to the mind...it twists and turns what could have been an honest appraisal into a bid for self-justification.

You are not spiritual so you don't understand the NT at all.

John describes faith INTO Christ. What is that? NT faith translates a person into Zion...into the the higher walk above sin, the world and the devil.

Religious people misunderstand the bible.

It takes a spiritually renewed mind to understand the following, so you will not get it. But for others who might...

who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

Just like being seated in heavenly places in Christ...this goes WAAAYYYY over the heads of religiously indoctrinated people. They will claim this standard of faith in a fictional way...as per their indoctrination. For them its pretend, pretend, pretend...

For those who have a little reading skills...it says delivered from the POWER of darkness...not just the penalty of darkness.

 

[Behold]

Poor you. Religion does strange things to the mind...it twists and turns what could have been an honest appraisal into a bid for self-justification.

You are not spiritual so you don't understand the NT at all.

John describes faith INTO Christ.

I dont have any religion, as religion is man trying to reach God, or become God..... to "deify themselves" by self effort.
That's you, isn't it?

What i am is a CHRISTian.
Christianity is not a Religion, as CHRISTianity, is God become a man, who died on the Cross, for the sin of the world, to offer this...

2 Corinthians 5:19

"""""that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the WORLD to Himself, not counting people’s SIN's against them . And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation"... "be ye reconciled to God by the Cross of Christ". = "The preaching of THE Cross" that is "The Gospel of the Grace of God".

And to become "in Christ" = requires a spiritual birth.
Tho you might think you can self effort your way into Christ.
Seems so.

The truth however, is that God has to birth your Spirit, into His own. = "BORN....again".

This is Spiritual Union with God...completed and eternal...and Jesus told you that "you mist be BORN AGAIN", or you can't become "IN Christ"

Notice where is Jesus ??
He's not in your local Mall.
He's in Heaven, and you are down here, fella.

So, to become JOINED to Christ ... as "in Christ'.....has to be a birth in the SPIRIT realm.

And, Before God will give you this spiritual birth, you have to believe in Jesus, by FAITH, and then God will take the Atonement....the Blood Atonement, that is the Cross of Christ, and He will allow Jesus to die for your sin. as ..."God hath made Jesus to be SIN for us".
"Jesus is the ONE TIME ETERNAL Sacrifice for SIN".
That takes care of it. And then you would have no sin. And now being "made free from sin", as Paul teaches.... God can give you the spiritual birth into Christ and into Himself... once He has dealt with your sin, as He wont take you into Himself until Jesus on the Cross has dealt with all your sin.

This is to be born again.

Jesus said ="you must be born again", or you wont exit "In Christ" and you wont go to Heaven when you die.

 

[Episkopos]

I dont have any religion, as religion is man trying to reach God, or become God..... to "deify themselves" by self effort.
That's you, isn't it?

What i am is a CHRISTian.
Christianity is not a Religion, as CHRISTianity, is God become a man, who died on the Cross, for the sin of the world, to offer this...

2 Corinthians 5:19

"""""that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the WORLD to Himself, not counting people’s SIN's against them . And He has committed to us the message of reconciliation"... "be ye reconciled to God by the Cross of Christ". = "The preaching of THE Cross" that is "The Gospel of the Grace of God".

And to become "in Christ" = requires a spiritual birth.
Tho you might think you can self effort your way into Christ.
Seems so.

The truth however, is that God has to birth your Spirit, into His own. = "BORN....again".

This is Spiritual Union with God...completed and eternal...and Jesus told you that "you mist be BORN AGAIN", or you can't become "IN Christ"

Notice where is Jesus ??
He's not in your local Mall.
He's in Heaven, and you are down here, fella.

So, to become JOINED to Christ ... as "in Christ'.....has to be a birth in the SPIRIT realm.

And, Before God will give you this spiritual birth, you have to believe in Jesus, by FAITH, and then God will take the Atonement....the Blood Atonement, that is the Cross of Christ, and He will allow Jesus to die for your sin. as ..."God hath made Jesus to be SIN for us".
"Jesus is the ONE TIME ETERNAL Sacrifice for SIN".
That takes care of it. And then you would have no sin. And now being "made free from sin", as Paul teaches.... God can give you the spiritual birth into Christ and into Himself... once He has dealt with your sin, as He wont take you into Himself until Jesus on the Cross has dealt with all your sin.

This is to be born again.

Jesus said ="you must be born again", or you wont exit "In Christ" and you wont go to Heaven when you die.

More self-righteous posturing. Religious vapourings. Are you standing in front of a mirror as you endlessly justify yourself?

 

[Behold]

More self-righteous posturing. Religious vapourings. Are you standing in front of a mirror as you endlessly justify yourself?

I can't justify myself before God, Episkopos.
Noone can...
I can't of myself become righteous or be accepted by God.
Noone can.

See, if we could, then Jesus didn't need to die on the Cross for us.

Notice that He did? ????
This is because we can't of ourselves become acceptable to God.

The Cross of Christ, proves that you can't of yourself be accepted by God.
God will only accept us and keep us based on what Christ has "FINISHED" on the Cross.
This is the "New Covenant"
This is the "Blood Atonement"
This is the "Gift of Salvation" and "The Gift of Righteousness".

 

[Episkopos]

 

[Behold]

.........

"Jesus came to save sinners". = To call the lost, to The Cross.

Jesus said..>"If i be LIFTED UP (the Cross) I will Draw (call) all people to me"..

Paul said that His Gospel is the : "preaching of THE CROSS", as this is the "power of God unto Salvation".

 

[Episkopos]

"Jesus came to save sinners". = To call the lost, to The Cross.

Jesus said..>"If i be LIFTED UP (the Cross) I will Draw (call) all people to me"..

Paul said that His Gospel is the : "preaching of THE CROSS", as this is the "power of God unto Salvation".

If only you understood properly what you are saying. You are missing the scale of the gospel.

You believe that to be a sinner =unrighteousness. That is false and unbiblical.

To be a sinner means you are not HOLY (not unrighteous as you claim). The righteous acknowledge their sins.

There is none righteous..no not one...that never sins.

The righteous will sin at times. The difference from the unrighteous is that they are not living in their pride...or their adopted religious pride. The righteous admit they are sinners. And God justifies them.

You need to re-read the parable of the Publican and the Pharisee...and stop spreading lies about God and His ways.

Since you refuse to admit your own sinful ways...and instead claim to have all your sins already paid for....that makes you unrighteous by your own definition. You are a sinner AND you refuse to repent (based on a false salvation scheme)

So you are not holy AND unrighteous. Basically a false teacher and a Pharisee.

The cross is about actually crucifying a person away from sin into holiness...being now covered by the righteousness of God.

But you see the cross as a cover-up for sin...as per Luther, the evil monk.

And another thing. The righteous (not the holy) will sin less over time due to a growth in wisdom and a character that becomes more aligned with God's ways. That is NOT according to a process of sanctification as is popularly taught. No, it is by instruction in righteousness....as Paul says.

If only people had just a little proper instruction.

 

[ChristisGod]

Jesus said..>>"ALL that believe in Me, I give unto them ETERNAL LIFE, and they shall never go to Hell (Perish)...

"Faith is counted as righteousness".

"Justification by faith"

And we know ghandi rejected his only One who could save him from his sins- Jesus Christ as His Lord, God and Savior from sin.

 

[Johann]

and instead claim to have all your sins already paid for....that makes you unrighteous by your own definition. You are a sinner AND you refuse to repent (based on a false salvation scheme)

Our sins not been dealt with at the Cross @Episkopos?

1 Peter 2:24
He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.
1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

Isaiah 53:1-12
Who has believed what he has heard from us? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. ...

Our sins have already been paid for in full-Tetelestai-

How is it that you are disagreeing with the Scriptures?
Johann.

 

[ChristisGod]

Our sins not been dealt with at the Cross @Episkopos?

1 Peter 2:24
He himself bore our sins in his body on the tree, that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.
1 John 2:2
He is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

Isaiah 53:1-12
Who has believed what he has heard from us? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. ...

Our sins have already been paid for in full-Tetelestai-

How is it that you are disagreeing with the Scriptures?
Johann.

he has a low view of Scripture- its not his authority for truth, he is his own authority. His own ideas and experiences supercede the Bible and are in subjection to them whereas real believers place their ideas and experiences in submission to Scripture.

 

[Johann]

he has a low view of Scripture- its not his authority for truth, he is his own authority. His own ideas and experiences supercede the Bible and are in subjection to them whereas real believers place their ideas and experiences in submission to Scripture.

I have to concur with you brother-the just shall live by faith, not experiences.

Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Rom 5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Johann.

 

[ChristisGod]

I have to concur with you brother-the just shall live by faith, not experiences.

Rom 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.
Rom 5:3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;
Rom 5:4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
Johann.

And all Gods children said Amen !

 

[Johann]

And all Gods children said Amen !

Amen!

 

[Keturah]

Amen!

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“…Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee.” (John 5:14)

There is none righteous..no not one...that never sins.

“For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.” (Hebrews 10:26-27)

The righteous admit they are sinners. And God justifies them.

“Wilt thou also disannul my judgment? wilt thou condemn me, that thou mayest be righteous?” (Job 40:8)

 

[Behold]

You believe that to be a sinner =unrighteousness. That is false and unbiblical.

Here is what happened Episkopos.

God made Adam, and Adam was "one with God".
This means that Adam and God ("God is A Spirit") were joined Spiritually as "one", exactly as Jesus said.. "I and my Father are One""".
When Adam sinned, this spiritual union, was broken.. and death entered.
And because of this, all of humanity has become the same "Adamic" spiritual situation, because we are all sinners, separated from God, Spiritually.

Jesus, is the 2nd Adam, = came to restore us back to God, Spiritually.
The term for being rejoined/restored to God, Spiritually, is : Born Again

Jesus said. "You must be born again", or you can't be restored into Born Again Spiritual Union with God who is "A Spirit".

Now, what is stopping all of humanity from being instantly restored into spiritual union with God?

A.) The same thing that ended Adam's spiritual union with God.

= SIN

Sin, having sin, because you have sinned...... denies restored Spiritual Union with God.

So, God sent Christ to the Cross, to die for our SIN, which removes the spiritual barrier between our spirit and God's.
And by Jesus's Cross, we are "made free from sin", = forgiven, and God then able to birth us into Spiritual Union with Himself, = Born Again, Spiritually as "IN Christ", and "one with God".

If this never happens to you, then you will not go to Heaven when you die.

Final answer.

 

[ChristisGod]

If only you understood properly what you are saying. You are missing the scale of the gospel.

You believe that to be a sinner =unrighteousness. That is false and unbiblical.

You are missing the gospel and salvation and how believers are referred to always as saints, holy ones, righteous and never sinners. In fact in many places the Apostles refer to being a sinner as something in their past. And such WERE some of you. Those who practice sin shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Also another fact. Scripture says believers repent of their sin, not practice or continue in sin. You see real faith must have repentance. Without holiness no one will see the Lord. Be holy for I am holy declares the Lord.

hope this helps !!!