What is New Testament Faith?

[Johann]

What kind of scheme has convinced people to claim God's own righteousness...is beyond me.

You err, not knowing the Scriptures brother.


Isaiah 46:13
Verse Concepts
“I bring near My righteousness, it is not far off;
And My salvation will not delay.
And I will grant salvation in Zion,
And My glory for Israel.

Isaiah 51:5
Verse Concepts
“My righteousness is near, My salvation has gone forth,
And My arms will judge the peoples;
The coastlands will wait for Me,
And for My arm they will wait expectantly.

Isaiah 56:1
Verse Concepts
Thus says the Lord,
“Preserve justice and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come
And My righteousness to be revealed.

Romans 1:17
Verse Concepts
For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous man shall live by faith.”

Isaiah 54:17
Verse Concepts
“No weapon that is formed against you will prosper;
And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn.
This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord,
And their vindication is from Me,” declares the Lord.

Romans 4:13
Verse Concepts
For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 9:30
Verse Concepts
What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith;

Romans 10:6
Verse Concepts
But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ (that is, to bring Christ down),

Romans 3:21
Verse Concepts
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Romans 3:22
Verse Concepts
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

1 Corinthians 1:30
Verse Concepts
But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

2 Corinthians 5:21
Verse Concepts
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Romans 10:4
Verse Concepts
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Jeremiah 23:6
Verse Concepts
“In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell securely;
And this is His name by which He will be called,
‘The Lord our righteousness.’

Daniel 9:24
Verse Concepts
“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.

Romans 5:17
Verse Concepts
For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 51:6
Verse Concepts
“Lift up your eyes to the sky,
Then look to the earth beneath;
For the sky will vanish like smoke,
And the earth will wear out like a garment
And its inhabitants will die in like manner;
But My salvation will be forever,
And My righteousness will not wane.

Romans 4:5
Verse Concepts
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

Isaiah 61:10
Verse Concepts
I will rejoice greatly in the Lord,
My soul will exult in my God;
For He has clothed me with garments of salvation,
He has wrapped me with a robe of righteousness,
As a bridegroom decks himself with a garland,
And as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

Romans 5:19
Verse Concepts
For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

Romans 3:26
Verse Concepts
for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Psalm 89:16
Verse Concepts
In Your name they rejoice all the day,
And by Your righteousness they are exalted.

Philippians 3:9
Verse Concepts
and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,

Isaiah 45:24-25
“They will say of Me, ‘Only in the Lord are righteousness and strength.’
Men will come to Him,
And all who were angry at Him will be put to shame.
“In the Lord all the offspring of Israel
Will be justified and will glory.”

You are in error brother-this is not a "claim it" this is a reality IN the believers lives, a promise, an Imperative FOR the believer-the righteousness of God in Christ reckoned/imputed TO the believer. The "higher walk" is already a present reality, in their various stages of growth IN Christ.
From where I sit, you are the only person who is genuinely "saved and all, including me, have it wrong.
Johann.

 

[MatthewG]

I mean that is what my friend end up doing for the past several years ,



and now look after 40 years....


www.cult.love



Already been through struggle of going through the bible verse by verse


all that is here is mostly infighting and people calling people not chrisitans, and you going hell

and blah balh baljh


my nerve has cracked

@mailmandan

 

[Johann]

@Episkopos

Why haven't we just started our home group meeting and fu*k all this bullsh*t on here?

Hey you fake-care to wipe out your mouth?
One heck of a hypocrite you are.

 

[MatthewG]

Everyone body and their mom knows Jesus.

Just went and seen EVIL DEAD RISE last night which is a HORRIBLE HORRFIC MOVIE by the way, very shock value worth the 15$...



but Even Jesus was there on the cross.. in the movie...



this place is a joke sometimes i need to leave.

 

[MatthewG]

Im a bonafide Sinner saved by Grace @Johann

check ya later

 

[Johann]

Everyone body and their mom knows Jesus.

Just went and seen EVIL DEAD RISE last night which is a HORRIBLE HORRFIC MOVIE by the way, very shock value worth the 15$...



but Even Jesus was there on the cross.. in the movie...



this place is a joke sometimes i need to leave.

Take care on your way out the door don't slam you.

 

[Episkopos]

You err, not knowing the Scriptures brother.


Isaiah 46:13
Verse Concepts
“I bring near My righteousness, it is not far off;
And My salvation will not delay.
And I will grant salvation in Zion,
And My glory for Israel.

Isaiah 51:5
Verse Concepts
“My righteousness is near, My salvation has gone forth,
And My arms will judge the peoples;
The coastlands will wait for Me,
And for My arm they will wait expectantly.

Isaiah 56:1
Verse Concepts
Thus says the Lord,
“Preserve justice and do righteousness,
For My salvation is about to come
And My righteousness to be revealed.

Romans 1:17
Verse Concepts
For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, “But the righteous man shall live by faith.”

Isaiah 54:17
Verse Concepts
“No weapon that is formed against you will prosper;
And every tongue that accuses you in judgment you will condemn.
This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord,
And their vindication is from Me,” declares the Lord.

Romans 4:13
Verse Concepts
For the promise to Abraham or to his descendants that he would be heir of the world was not through the Law, but through the righteousness of faith.

Romans 9:30
Verse Concepts
What shall we say then? That Gentiles, who did not pursue righteousness, attained righteousness, even the righteousness which is by faith;

Romans 10:6
Verse Concepts
But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’ (that is, to bring Christ down),

Romans 3:21
Verse Concepts
But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

Romans 3:22
Verse Concepts
even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

1 Corinthians 1:30
Verse Concepts
But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

2 Corinthians 5:21
Verse Concepts
He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Romans 10:4
Verse Concepts
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

Jeremiah 23:6
Verse Concepts
“In His days Judah will be saved,
And Israel will dwell securely;
And this is His name by which He will be called,
‘The Lord our righteousness.’

Daniel 9:24
Verse Concepts
“Seventy weeks have been decreed for your people and your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sin, to make atonement for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy and to anoint the most holy place.

Romans 5:17
Verse Concepts
For if by the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one, much more those who receive the abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.

Isaiah 51:6
Verse Concepts
“Lift up your eyes to the sky,
Then look to the earth beneath;
For the sky will vanish like smoke,
And the earth will wear out like a garment
And its inhabitants will die in like manner;
But My salvation will be forever,
And My righteousness will not wane.

Romans 4:5
Verse Concepts
But to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness,

Isaiah 61:10
Verse Concepts
I will rejoice greatly in the Lord,
My soul will exult in my God;
For He has clothed me with garments of salvation,
He has wrapped me with a robe of righteousness,
As a bridegroom decks himself with a garland,
And as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

Romans 5:19
Verse Concepts
For as through the one man’s disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous.

Romans 3:26
Verse Concepts
for the demonstration, I say, of His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus.

Psalm 89:16
Verse Concepts
In Your name they rejoice all the day,
And by Your righteousness they are exalted.

Philippians 3:9
Verse Concepts
and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith,

Isaiah 45:24-25
“They will say of Me, ‘Only in the Lord are righteousness and strength.’
Men will come to Him,
And all who were angry at Him will be put to shame.
“In the Lord all the offspring of Israel
Will be justified and will glory.”

You are in error brother-this is not a "claim it" this is a reality IN the believers lives, a promise, an Imperative FOR the believer-the righteousness of God in Christ reckoned/imputed TO the believer. The "higher walk" is already a present reality, in their various stages of growth IN Christ.
From where I sit, you are the only person who is genuinely "saved and all, including me, have it wrong.
Johann.

If no one is righteous...not not one...then it stands to reason that people who are that weak shouldn't be then claiming to be as righteous as God is.

Don't you see the discrepancy here?

As in...you can ONLY be righteous if you claim to be as righteous as God. That is what many here are espousing. If you look behind the curtain on that statement you will find the devil himself.

We are NEVER as righteous as God.

We can be COVERED by His anointing righteousness. But just like His holiness, it is never ours...it is His alone.

To God alone be all praise and glory.

 

[Johann]

If there is a real spiritual life going on...gifts of the Spirit will emerge. They will follow, like signs, those who are spiritual in Christ.

Of course these can be faked.

The sign of our times is the lack of spiritual life. And a lack of the faith OF Christ. The modern gospel is about justifying the flesh.

When the Son of Man returns will He find faith on the earth? He will find a LOT of human beliefs about Him...opinions, doctrinal slants, theologies, theories....but faith? Not so much.

So Epi-if I understand you correctly-if my faith into Christ Jesus is void of miracles, raising the dead, open the eyes of the blind-my faith is a "dead faith" Yes?

 

[MatthewG]

1 Corinthians 1:30 - But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,




It's Christ - whom is all believers righteousness.



Just because people do


'good things'

doesn't mean that they are good in the eyes of God.

Faith is what makes a person right with God,

Just Read Romans Chapter 5 - and also include the verse here, above - It's all Christ and him and never ourselves, we can never


say look at all the great things and good things I did for you LORD!

on judgement day.


It's more like God all I know is I believed had faith and it was your son who did what I could nevrer do.

 

[Episkopos]

So Epi-if I understand you correctly-if my faith into Christ Jesus is void of miracles, raising the dead, open the eyes of the blind-my faith is a "dead faith" Yes?

There are more signs of spiritual life than you mentioned. That's the problem with man-made religion based on carnal reasoning.

The charismatics make "tongues" the bona-fide sign for baptism in the Spirit....because they read about it in the bible. So they get people to fake (an easy fake) babbling in tongues and they justify themselves as "Spirit filled".

I don't think you will ever understand me...or the bible...correctly. You are trying to filter things though a reprobate mind.

But to others I say...the most important "sign" of the Spirit is the fruit of the Spirit. The miracles that stem from a spiritual walk IN Christ are hidden from the world...only those who walk in intimacy with the saint sees the miracles. God loves to hide Himself away. He is selfless and is not looking to promote Himself. So unlike us.

If you walked on water today...could you keep it a secret? If so, God can use you.

 

[Johann]

If no one is righteous...not not one...then it stands to reason that people who are that weak shouldn't be then claiming to be as righteous as God is.

Don't you see the discrepancy here?

As in...you can ONLY be righteous if you claim to be as righteous as God. That is what many here are espousing. If you look behind the curtain on that statement you will find the devil himself.

We are NEVER as righteous as God.

We can be COVERED by His anointing righteousness. But just like His holiness, it is never ours...it is His alone.

To God alone be all praise and glory.

Ah, I see now, enrobed, kapporah-And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

A RELATIVE righteousness, as seen as righteous, but not ACTUALLY and INHERENTLY as The Righteousness of YHVH?

and he counted it to him for righteousness] A short pregnant sentence of abstract religious thought. The word “righteousness” (ṣedâqâh) occurs here for the first time in Scripture.

It denotes the qualities of the man who is “righteous,” or “right with God” To the Israelite, “righteousness” implied the perfect obedience of the law. The writer records that, at a time when there was no law, Jehovah reckoned the faith of Abram, shewn in simple trust and obedience, as equivalent to the subsequent technical fulfilment of legal righteousness.

The trustful surrender to the loving will of God is represented, in this typical instance of the father of the Israelite people, as, in Divine estimation, the foundation of true religion.

Something like the above?

I don't think you will ever understand me...or the bible...correctly. You are trying to filter things though a reprobate mind.

But to others I say...the most important "sign" of the Spirit is the fruit of the Spirit. The miracles that stem from a spiritual walk IN Christ are hidden from the world...only those who walk in intimacy with the saint sees the miracles. God loves to hide Himself away. He is selfless and is not looking to promote Himself. So unlike us.

If you walked on water today...could you keep it a secret? If so, God can use you.

My mind reprobate?

Just answer me this Epi-

Can you walk on water-
Raise the dead
Heal the sick
Open the eyes of the blind-Secretly?

Jesus and the apostles did this publicly, not "secretly"-can you do it?

Yes or no?
Thanks
J.

In the Old Testament, faith is best understood in the context of covenant relationship to God, who is the supreme example of faithfulness. Whereas God consistently reveals His faithfulness (trustworthiness, steadfastness, and consistency of character), people often fail to be faithful to God and to each other.

Faith is an attitude of trust that shows itself through the people’s obedience to God.

Noah demonstrates faith in God by his willingness to believe God’s promise of protection through the coming flood and his obedience in constructing the ark in accordance with God’s instructions (Gen 6).

Abraham’s trust in God’s covenant promises was validated as “righteousness” (Gen 15:6) and was ratified on Mount Moriah when he was willing to sacrifice Isaac, the son of the promise (Gen 22:1–19).

Moses displayed faith in God through his commitment to serve as the instrument of God’s provision of freedom and deliverance, leading Israel out of Egyptian captivity (see the book of Exodus). The prophets expressed faith in God through their belief in the word of Yahweh that they had received and their willingness to proclaim that word to the kings of Israel and Judah, as well as to surrounding nations.

Habakkuk proclaims, “the righteous shall live by his faith” (Hab 2:4). The connection between righteousness and faith suggests faith is the means by which to abide in God’s favor.

In the New Testament, however, we see that faith is not only a personal action; it is a divine gift bestowed by God’s grace (Eph 2:8).

In the New Testament, the noun “faith” (pistis in Greek) and the related verb “believe” (pisteuō) both occur over 200 times, while the adjective “faithful” (pistos) is used over 60 times.

The New Testament authors primarily view faith as belief in the incarnation and in Christ’s death and resurrection, such that a person’s life is shaped by those beliefs. Genuine faith differs from mere conceptual belief: even the demons believe Jesus is the Son of God “and shudder” (James 2:19).

In the Gospels, faith often reflects a disposition of trust that God (through Jesus) will heal, save, or otherwise empower someone in the face of difficulty. Jesus proclaims that the practice of faith enables (or, when lacking, prevents) healing (Matt 13:58; Mark 5:34).****************************Now notice the transition carefully @Episkopos , since I have a "reprobate mind" and don't believe in Dispentationalism-you could group me in the class of a "cessantionalist"-the transition of "believing in miracles" to-

In the book of Acts, faith takes on the meaning of assurance of doctrinal and theological belief, and, in particular, belief in Jesus Christ as the Messiah and Son of God (Acts 4:12; 6:7; 13:8; 14:22; 16:5; 16:31).

-Notice here? I would submit to you even a "unbeliever" can perform many wonders and miracles-is that what we are to look for?

And the fruit of the Spirit is-? Wonders and excousia and dunamis?

You see the absurdity of your statement?



Paul, emphasizing that faith in Christ is based on God’s grace rather than on the works of the law, refers to Abraham’s faith as the precedent (Gal 3:6–14). James also cites the example of Abraham, though he argues for the complementary idea that genuine faith includes active obedience (Jas 2:20–24).

Hebrews lists Abraham and others as heroes of faith, which they showed through their actions (Heb 11).
The common assumption that faith is primarily intellectual agreement to verbal propositions has led to a sense of indissoluble tension between Paul’s understanding of faith (“we are saved by grace through faith”; Eph 2:8; Rom 3:22; Gal 3:11) and James’ warnings that faith unaccompanied by action is not genuine (Jas 2:24, 26).

However, this tension is resolved when faith is understood as active trust in the covenant grace of God and the personal Lordship of Christ. Paul’s emphasis on the grace nature of faith—as a gift in the context of covenant relationship with God—agrees with James’ insistence that faith be underlined by and expressed in obedient works.
Kyle A. Roberts

John D. Barry et al., Faithlife Study Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012, 2016).

Personally, I think a restudy on righteousness-as per Scriptures-is Imperative.
Shalom
Johann

 

[Episkopos]

Ah, I see now, enrobed, kapporah-And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.

A RELATIVE righteousness, as seen as righteous, but not ACTUALLY and INHERENTLY as The Righteousness of YHVH?

and he counted it to him for righteousness] A short pregnant sentence of abstract religious thought. The word “righteousness” (ṣedâqâh) occurs here for the first time in Scripture.

It denotes the qualities of the man who is “righteous,” or “right with God” To the Israelite, “righteousness” implied the perfect obedience of the law. The writer records that, at a time when there was no law, Jehovah reckoned the faith of Abram, shewn in simple trust and obedience, as equivalent to the subsequent technical fulfilment of legal righteousness.

The trustful surrender to the loving will of God is represented, in this typical instance of the father of the Israelite people, as, in Divine estimation, the foundation of true religion.

Something like the above?

Yes. The Jews understood righteousness. It was what they weren't understanding that got in the way.

Christendom has thrown out thousands of years of understanding in righteousness to do what? Stray even further from righteousness?

Fortunately, the righteous just ignore the foolishness.

My mind reprobate?

Just answer me this Epi-

Can you walk on water-
Raise the dead
Heal the sick
Open the eyes of the blind-Secretly?

Jesus and the apostles did this publicly, not "secretly"-can you do it?

Yes or no?
Thanks
J.

The public record is an example of power from heaven. God prefers to remain secret....even Jesus said...go and tell no one.

Unless people see outward miracles they won't believe. But it is an evil and adulterous generation that looks for outward proofs.

Are you saying you need outward proof? Or is an intimate walk with the risen Saviour in resurrection life enough for you?

In the Old Testament, faith is best understood in the context of covenant relationship to God, who is the supreme example of faithfulness. Whereas God consistently reveals His faithfulness (trustworthiness, steadfastness, and consistency of character), people often fail to be faithful to God and to each other.

Faith is an attitude of trust that shows itself through the people’s obedience to God.

Amen. Faith also means faithfulness...and that...more often that not.

Noah demonstrates faith in God by his willingness to believe God’s promise of protection through the coming flood and his obedience in constructing the ark in accordance with God’s instructions (Gen 6).

Abraham’s trust in God’s covenant promises was validated as “righteousness” (Gen 15:6) and was ratified on Mount Moriah when he was willing to sacrifice Isaac, the son of the promise (Gen 22:1–19).

Moses displayed faith in God through his commitment to serve as the instrument of God’s provision of freedom and deliverance, leading Israel out of Egyptian captivity (see the book of Exodus). The prophets expressed faith in God through their belief in the word of Yahweh that they had received and their willingness to proclaim that word to the kings of Israel and Judah, as well as to surrounding nations.

Habakkuk proclaims, “the righteous shall live by his faith” (Hab 2:4). The connection between righteousness and faith suggests faith is the means by which to abide in God’s favor.

In the New Testament, however, we see that faith is not only a personal action; it is a divine gift bestowed by God’s grace (Eph 2:8).

In the New Testament, the noun “faith” (pistis in Greek) and the related verb “believe” (pisteuō) both occur over 200 times, while the adjective “faithful” (pistos) is used over 60 times.

The New Testament authors primarily view faith as belief in the incarnation and in Christ’s death and resurrection, such that a person’s life is shaped by those beliefs. Genuine faith differs from mere conceptual belief: even the demons believe Jesus is the Son of God “and shudder” (James 2:19).

In the Gospels, faith often reflects a disposition of trust that God (through Jesus) will heal, save, or otherwise empower someone in the face of difficulty. Jesus proclaims that the practice of faith enables (or, when lacking, prevents) healing (Matt 13:58; Mark 5:34).****************************Now notice the transition carefully @Episkopos , since I have a "reprobate mind" and don't believe in Dispentationalism-you could group me in the class of a "cessantionalist"-the transition of "believing in miracles" to-

In the book of Acts, faith takes on the meaning of assurance of doctrinal and theological belief, and, in particular, belief in Jesus Christ as the Messiah and Son of God (Acts 4:12; 6:7; 13:8; 14:22; 16:5; 16:31).

-Notice here? I would submit to you even a "unbeliever" can perform many wonders and miracles-is that what we are to look for?

And the fruit of the Spirit is-? Wonders and excousia and dunamis?

You see the absurdity of your statement?

The fruit of the Spirit is experienced in the intimacy of a holy walk with God...and with others who are open to it. The signs FOLLOW those who are walking in the power of the Spirit.

Paul, emphasizing that faith in Christ is based on God’s grace rather than on the works of the law, refers to Abraham’s faith as the precedent (Gal 3:6–14). James also cites the example of Abraham, though he argues for the complementary idea that genuine faith includes active obedience (Jas 2:20–24).

I think what is misunderstood is that the NT standard is NOT identical with the OT standard. Jesus said that even the greatest among the righteous are less than the least in the kingdom.

Those who are the tallest on the ground floor are not as high up as the shortest person on the second floor.

Those who walk in the Spirit are far beyond the most righteous people who walk in their own power.

Hebrews lists Abraham and others as heroes of faith, which they showed through their actions (Heb 11).
The common assumption that faith is primarily intellectual agreement to verbal propositions has led to a sense of indissoluble tension between Paul’s understanding of faith (“we are saved by grace through faith”; Eph 2:8; Rom 3:22; Gal 3:11) and James’ warnings that faith unaccompanied by action is not genuine (Jas 2:24, 26).

James is concerned with righteousness. Paul was concerned with holiness.

Paul uses Abraham as an example of how God chooses people into the higher walk.

However, this tension is resolved when faith is understood as active trust in the covenant grace of God and the personal Lordship of Christ. Paul’s emphasis on the grace nature of faith—as a gift in the context of covenant relationship with God—agrees with James’ insistence that faith be underlined by and expressed in obedient works.
Kyle A. Roberts

John D. Barry et al., Faithlife Study Bible (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2012, 2016).

Actually the above statement is still OT faith. NT faith "moves mountains".

Not that there is anything wrong at all with human faith. It's just not the holy standard laid out in the NT.

 

[ChristisGod]

Care to elaborate on what you believe since you are not a cessationist?

He cannot explain dispensationalism.

 

[Behold]

We are NEVER as righteous as God.

Maybe you can understand it like this.... Reader


= "All have sinned"..

Sin and Sinners, = "All have sinned", will not go to Heaven to stay, because there is no sin in heaven.

Do you recall that Sin was found in Lucifer and the fallen angels = and OUT THEY WENT.

= NO SIN FOUND IN HEAVEN.

WE are sinners, "All have sinned".... and sinners are not going to Heaven, unless God resolves our sin, and gives us the Righteousness that you have to have, to exist in Heaven.

That's how simple it is....= CHRISTianity.

Salvation : is the GRACE of GOD resolving all your sin through the Cross of Christ.

The reason you are "made righteous", is because Jesus has dealt with ALL your sin... so, what are you now, if you have no sin ?
= "the Righteousness of God, in Christ".

"God hath made JESUS to be SIN for US"
"JESUS is the one time ETERNAL Sacrifice for SIN"

That's how simple it is, to understand the Cross and what God is doing for us through Christ's Sacrifice.

That is = "the SIMPLICITY that is found, IN Christ". as Paul teaches.

So, once again....Why does God have to do that? = Because "ALL have sinned", so, you dont have any righteousness of yourself, and so God can't bring you into Himself, or Heaven, until you have the same righteousness that you find in God and in Heaven.

Jesus was sent to the Cross to deal with "ALL HAVE SINNED" so that by His Blood and Death, ALL our sin, can be resolved.

To be born again......is to be born by the Holy Spirit of God,= into God Himself (Spiritual Union) and before He can do that, your sin has to be dealt with, as God can't have you and you have your sin, as when you have sin, you are unrighteous.
Jesus, on the Cross is dealing with ALL your sin, first.......so that God can then birth you by the Holy Spirit, into Himself, as being made righteous.

God can't bring you into Spiritual Union with Himself until you SIN is dealt with, and you can't do that of yourself.
= God does not join Himself to SIN......."all have sinned".
So, Christ deals with ALL your sin on THE CROSS, and then God can birth you spiritually into Himself as "Born again"

Its so simple to understand, but its so Amazing what God has done through CHRIST for us.

Welcome To : CHRISTianity

Its a "Gift"

"The GIFT of Salvation"
"The GIFT of Righteousness"

 

[Behold]

But to others I say...the most important "sign" of the Spirit is the fruit of the Spirit.

On a forum, we can't see each other, so, its a "moot point" to talk about "fruit of the Spirit", when we can't evaluate each other's LIVES, so all this talk about "fruit" is as cheap as dirt, on a Forum.

But what you can do is listen to how a person on a forum talks about the Cross of Christ.

And you, are the worst offender of the Cross, with your Low opinion of the Cross, and the Reason Jesus died on the Cross, that ive ever seen posting on a "christian" forum.

I have personally been on forums for years and years, and ive never ever heard anyone spit on the Sacrifice of Jesus, as you do it.

The first time i heard you refer to Jesus as 'my" """Whipping Boy"", i wondered if i was talking to a demon, as God knows that is how they disrespect the SON OF GOD> , Episkopos.

So, you might continue to get away with staying here, on THIS Forum,= but your words that are so castigating, so completely abusive and disrespectful = regarding the REASON for the Cross, is your "" FORUM FRUIT""" that anyone, even an Atheist could realize.

Its unbelievable that you are allowed to keep disrespecting the Cross, Thread after Thread...

 

[Johann]

Are you saying you need outward proof? Or is an intimate walk with the risen Saviour in resurrection life enough for you?

I don't seek for signs and miracles-but an intimate walk with Christ, the risen Lord, that is enough for me, and the sealing of the Holy Spirt co-witnessing with my spirit.

Actually the above statement is still OT faith. NT faith "moves mountains".

Since I see no distinction between OT emunah and NT emunah-you are making that distinction, that emunah must/dei be accompanied by "Ot-signs, miracles, which is contrary to the Holy Writ.


And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues.
29 All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they?
30 All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?

How do you answer @Episkopos? Are all apostles? Prophets-teachers-workers of miracles-gifts of healings-speaking with glossalia-do all interpret?


31 But earnestly desire the greater gifts.
And I show you a still more excellent way.

What is the more excellent way @Episkopos? And is this more excellent way replete with nifla'ot and otot?

New American Standard Bible: 1995 Update (La Habra, CA: The Lockman Foundation, 1995), 1 Co 12:28–31.

Shalom
Johann.

Not that there is anything wrong at all with human faith. It's just not the holy standard laid out in the NT.

Human faith, OT faith, and NT faith.
Can you show me a distinction between OT faith of the saints and the NT faith of the saints?

James is concerned with righteousness. Paul was concerned with holiness.

You are going to have to quote Scripture references to this statement.

Paul uses Abraham as an example of

I think what is misunderstood is that the NT standard is identical with the OT standard. That is far from the case. Jesus said that even the greatest among the righteous are less than the least in the kingdom.

how God chooses people into the higher walk.

And Abraham is the father of us all, not so?

So then, he is the father of all who believe but have not been circumcised, in order that righteousness might be credited to them. And he is also the father of the circumcised who not only are circumcised but who also walk in the footsteps of the faith that our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.

 

[Behold]

Yes. The Jews understood righteousness. It was what they weren't understanding that got in the way.

Notice how Paul exposes you again.

As you, being a Legalist, would agree with the Jews ERROR in their understanding regarding "rightousess".

Let Paul show you, yourself, Episkopos..

Romans 10


"""""For I testify about the Jews that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.
For, being IGNORANT of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their OWN, they did not submit to God's = righteousness.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who Believes.""""

 

[Johann]

God loves to hide Himself away. He is selfless and is not looking to promote Himself. So unlike us.

@Episkopos would you say God is "hiding" Himself?



--When Jesus is now openly manifested IN His dearly beloved Son, Christ Jesus, demonstrated publicly, on the Cross, His Cross, God's love to us all?
No Holy Spirit, no one belongs to Christ Jesus, yes?


Colossians 1:15-16
He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.

Colossians 2:9
Verse Concepts
For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form,

John 1:18
Verse Concepts
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.

John 14:9
Verse Concepts
Jesus *said to him, “Have I been so long with you, and yet you have not come to know Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?

2 Corinthians 4:4-6
in whose case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelieving so that they might not see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For we do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord, and ourselves as your bond-servants for Jesus’ sake. For God, who said, “Light shall shine out of darkness,” is the One who has shone in our hearts to give the Light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ.

Hebrews 1:3
Verse Concepts
And He is the radiance of His glory and the exact representation of His nature, and upholds all things by the word of His power. When He had made purification of sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high,


John 8:12. When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

1 John 1:5
This is the message we have heard from him and proclaim to you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Revelation 21:23
And the city has no need of sun or moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and its lamp is the Lamb.

The Light Casts Out Darkness
Psalm 27:1
The Lord is my light and my salvation whom shall I fear? The Lord is the stronghold of my life of whom shall I be afraid?

Job 24:16
In the dark, thieves break into houses, but by day they shut themselves in; they want nothing to do with the light.

The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it. John 1:5
John 1:5
The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

John 3:19-21
This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

1 John 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin.

God Called You Out Of Darkness And Into The Light
Isaiah 9:2
The people who walked in darkness have seen a great light; those who dwelt in a land of deep darkness, on them has light shined.

John 12:35-36
Then Jesus told them, “You are going to have the light just a little while longer. Walk while you have the light, before darkness overtakes you. Whoever walks in the dark does not know where they are going. Believe in the light while you have the light, so that you may become children of light.”

John 12:44-46
Then Jesus cried out, “Whoever believes in me does not believe in me only, but in the one who sent me. The one who looks at me is seeing the one who sent me. I have come into the world as a light, so that no one who believes in me should stay in darkness.”

2 Corinthians 4:6
For God, who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” made his light shine in our hearts to give us the light of the knowledge of God’s glory displayed in the face of Christ.

2 Corinthians 6:14-15
Do not be yoked together with unbelievers. For what do righteousness and wickedness have in common? Or what fellowship can light have with darkness? What harmony is there between Christ and Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever?

1 Thessalonians 5:5
For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness.

1 Peter 2:9
But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for God’s own possession, so that you may proclaim the excellencies of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light.

You Are The Light Of The World
Matthew 5:14-16
You are the light of the world. A town built on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

Luke 11:33-36
No one after lighting a lamp puts it in a cellar or under a basket, but on a stand, so that those who enter may see the light. Your eye is the lamp of your body. When your eye is healthy, your whole body is full of light, but when it is bad, your body is full of darkness.

Therefore be careful lest the light in you be darkness. If then your whole body is full of light, having no part dark, it will be wholly bright, as when a lamp with its rays gives you light.

Acts 13:47-48
For so the Lord has commanded us, saying, “I have made you a light for the Gentiles, that you may bring salvation to the ends of the earth.” And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed.

I am sending you to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light . Acts 26:17-28
Acts 26:16-18
But rise and stand upon your feet, for I have appeared to you for this purpose, to appoint you as a servant and witness to the things in which you have seen me and to those in which I will appear to you, delivering you from your people and from the Gentiles—to whom I am sending you to open their eyes, so that they may turn from darkness to light and from the power of Satan to God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.

Romans 13:12
The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light.

Ephesians 5:5-14
Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not become partners with them; for at one time you were darkness, but now you are light in the Lord.

Walk as children of light (for the fruit of light is found in all that is good and right and true), and try to discern what is pleasing to the Lord.

Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. For it is shameful even to speak of the things that they do in secret. But when anything is exposed by the light, it becomes visible, for anything that becomes visible is light.

Therefore it says, “Awake, O sleeper, and arise from the dead, and Christ will shine on you.”

Philippians 2:14-16
Do everything without complaining and arguing, that no one can criticize you. Live clean, innocent lives as children of God, shining like bright lights in a world full of crooked and perverse people. Hold firmly to the word of life; then, on the day of Christ’s return, I will be proud that I did not run the race in vain and that my work was not useless.

Isaiah 58:6-8
Is not this the fast that I choose: to loose the bonds of wickedness, to undo the straps of the yoke, to let the oppressed go free, and to break every yoke?

Is it not to share your bread with the hungry and bring the homeless poor into your house;

when you see the naked, to cover him, and not to hide yourself from your own flesh?

Then shall your light break forth like the dawn, and your healing shall spring up speedily; your righteousness shall go before you; the glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.

Would you say now God is "hiding" @Episkopos?

 

[Johann]

Yes. The Jews understood righteousness. It was what they weren't understanding that got in the way.

Righteousness in the Christian World
Understanding righteousness in the Christian world involves situating the language in the coordinates of salvation in Christ and the ethical imperatives that this creates for believers.
The Gospels
References to the words “righteousness” and “just” in the Gospels are fewest in Mark and John but more prevalent in Matthew and Luke.
Mark records that Jesus came to call sinners rather than the righteous (Mark 2:17) and that Herod Antipas knew John the Baptist to be a righteous man (Mark 6:20). The Johannine Jesus refers to His judgment as “just” (John 5:30), and He tells the Jews to judge His actions justly (John 7:24). The ministry of the Paraclete (i.e., Holy Spirit) in the Fourth Gospel is to judge the world concerning sin, righteousness, and judgment (John 16:8, 10). In His high priestly prayer, Jesus addresses God as “Righteous Father” (John 17:25).

Luke uses “righteousness” primarily to denote an upright piety before God. On several occasions Luke refers to righteous people like Zechariah and Elizabeth (Luke 1:5–6), Simeon (Luke 2:25), Joseph of Arimathea (Luke 23:50), Cornelius (Acts 10:22), and even Jesus (Luke 23:41, 47), who is called “the Righteous One” (Acts 3:14; 7:52; 22:14). John the Baptist would have an Elijah-like ministry that would turn “the disobedient to the wisdom of the righteous” (Luke 1:17).

In Mary’s Magnificat, she prays that Israel would be able to serve God in “holiness and righteousness” (Luke 1:75). According to Luke, Jesus condemns those who would justify themselves or consider themselves to be righteous (Luke 16:15; 18:9). Luke’s Gospel also emphasizes that Jesus’ ministry offers repentance to sinners rather than the righteous (Luke 5:32; 15:7). Luke also uses the term to describe the future resurrection as “the resurrection of the righteous” (Luke 14:14).
Matthew’s use of righteousness language is the most complex among the Gospels. In some instances “righteousness” is tantamount to salvation. For example, John the Baptist’s message of repentance and baptism can be abbreviated as the “way of righteousness” (Matt 21:32).

However, Matthew also uses “righteousness” in other ways. According to Matthew, John baptized Jesus in order to “fulfill all righteousness” (Matt 3:15). Jesus pronounced a blessing for those who “hunger and thirst for righteousness” (Matt 5:6) and those who are “persecuted because of righteousness” (Matt 5:10), and He told the crowds to “seek first [God’s] kingdom and righteousness” (Matt 6:33).

Furthermore, Matthew depicts Jesus as particularly focused on a ministry to sinners rather than to the righteous (Matt 9:13). While Jesus affirmed the righteousness of various persons (Matt 10:41; 13:17; 23:29, 35), He also censured the scribes and Pharisees for asserting their own righteousness (Matt 23:27–28).

Disciples need a righteousness that surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees (Matt 5:20), which is why they must not be hypocritical or pretentious (Matt 6:1). The righteous should “shine like the sun in the kingdom of their Father” (Matt 13:43). God’s common mercy extends to the righteous and the unrighteous (Matt 5:44–45), yet at the final judgment, there will be a separation of the wicked from the righteous (Matt 12:35–37; 13:49); the righteous will be rewarded (Matt 10:41; 25:46); and salvation is a matter of responding to God’s call rather than meriting it by effort (Matt 20:11–15).

Pauline Epistles

Generally speaking Paul uses the noun dikaiosynē to refer to the behavior that God requires of people. For example, Romans 6 is full of exhortations that urge believers to offer themselves in service to righteousness rather than to sin (Rom 6:13, 16, 18, 19, 20).

Paul can also refer to the “fruit of righteousness which comes through Jesus Christ” (Phil 1:11).

This meaning of righteousness denotes an ethical trait that is coordinate with peace, joy, holiness, goodness, truth, nobility, loveliness, praiseworthiness, blamelessness, godliness, and self-control (Rom 14:17; 1 Cor 1:30; Eph 4:24; 5:9; Phil 4:8; 1 Thess 2:10; 2 Tim 2:22; Titus 1:8).

In other places dikaiosynē can signify eschatological salvation and final justification. For example, in Romans 10:10 Paul writes, “For with the heart one believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth one confesses, resulting in salvation.” Similarly, Galatians 5:5 declares that “through the Spirit by faith [believers] eagerly await the hope of righteousness” (see also Rom 2:13; 3:25–26; 4:1–6, 11, 22; 5:21; Gal 2:21; 3:6).

In addition, Paul can also refer to his apostolic ministry as pertaining to dikaiosynē, a “ministry of righteousness,” in the sense that it proclaims and embodies divine righteousness (2 Cor 3:9).
More contentious is the meaning of “God’s righteousness” or the “righteousness of God” (δικαιοσύνη θεοῦ, dikaiosynē theou) as Paul expounds it in Rom 1:17, 3:5, 21; 10:3; 2 Cor 5:21; and Phil 3:9. The main interpretations of the meaning of this phrase are:

1. an attribute or quality of God, i.e., God’s own inherent uprightness;
2. a punitive divine quality, i.e., God’s righteous judgment against wickedness;
3. a quality imputed to believers from God, i.e., a righteousness from God;
4. a righteousness standard before God, i.e., a righteousness that avails before God;
5. God’s covenant faithfulness, i.e., God’s faithfulness to His saving promises in salvation; or
6. God’s saving righteousness, i.e., the saving action of God manifest in Jesus Christ.
Ultimately, the meaning of the phrase the “righteousness of God” depends on the context in which it occurs. In some places the phrase likely refers to (1) above, the character of God (Rom 3:5), or to (3), a righteous status from God that is given to believers (Phil 3:9). However, in Romans, God’s righteousness approximates to and consists of (6)—the saving power of God whereby He establishes justice in creation, demonstrates His faithfulness to the covenant, and establishes the righteousness of believers through Christ.
General Letters and Revelation

Michael F. Bird, “Righteousness,” ed. John D. Barry et al., The Lexham Bible Dictionary (Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press, 2016).

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[Johann]

General Letters and Revelation
The General Letters typically identify dikaiosynē with upright behavior that God requires of His people, sometimes in relation to the righteousness that is apprehended by faith.

The author of Hebrews extols Christ as the divine Son who “loved righteousness” (Heb 1:9; Psa 45:7). The author summarizes Christian teaching as “the message of righteousness” (Heb 5:13). Like Paul, the author also quotes Hab 2:4—”my righteous one will live by faith”—in order to exhort his audience to persevere under hardship (Heb 10:38 NIV; compare Rom 1:17; Gal 3:11). The author identifies faith as an instrument for attaining righteousness: “By faith Abel offered to God a greater sacrifice than Cain, by which he was approved that he was righteous,” and “by faith Noah … became an heir of the righteousness that comes by faith” (Heb 11:4, 7). Furthermore, the Lord’s discipline produces “the peaceful fruit of righteousness,” and those in heaven are described as “the spirits of the righteous made perfect” (Heb 12:11, 23 ESV).

James uses the term primarily in an ethical sense. For example, he states that anger does not produce the “righteousness of God” (Jas 1:20) and claims that those who sow in peace reap the “fruit of righteousness” (Jas 3:18). The ethical sense of the term is also evident in James’ censure of those who would condemn and murder a “righteous person” (Jas 5:6) and in his claim about the effectiveness of the prayer of a “righteous person” (Jas 5:16). There is a robust discussion of righteousness and justification in Jas 2, where James quotes Gen 15:6 with a view to demonstrate that justification is by faith and works (Jas 2:23–24). This view of righteousness, which is probably a correction to distortions of Pauline teaching, stresses that faith should result in faithful behavior, a point with which Paul would likely agree (see Gal 5:6).
In the letters of Peter, Jesus is said to have died a substitutionary death on the cross for believers—”the just for the unjust” (1 Pet 3:18)—so that believers might “live to righteousness” (1 Pet 2:24). First Peter also stresses the importance of righteous moral behavior since “the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous” (1 Pet 3:12). The letter also states that if believers suffer, it should be for doing what is right rather than for wrong (1 Pet 3:14). The author of the letter further underscores the importance of righteousness by declaring that “the righteous are saved with difficulty” (1 Pet 4:18) in the sense that all face the judgment of God. Second Peter begins with a description of the “righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ” (2 Pet 1:1), which is a righteousness that avails before God. The letters of Peter present those who embody this righteousness. Second Peter describes Noah as “a proclaimer of righteousness” (2 Pet 2:5) and refers to Lot as a “righteous man” with a “righteous soul” (2 Pet 2:7–8). The letter refers to false teachers as those who do not follow “the way of righteousness” (2 Pet 2:21). By contrast, those who would live holy and godly lives can expect to share in a “new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness resides” (2 Pet 3:13).
In the Johannine letters, righteousness characterizes God, Jesus, and believers. God is acclaimed as righteous and just (1 John 1:9). Jesus is “the righteous one” (1 John 2:1). Righteousness also pertains to deeds and acts congruent with God’s will (1 John 2:29; 3:7, 10), and unrighteousness is a failure to do God’s will (1 John 1:9; 5:17). In the book of Revelation, much like in 1 John, righteousness is predicated of God (Rev 15:3; 16:5); God’s judgments (Rev 16:7; 19:2); Jesus who returns to judge the world in righteousness/justice (Rev 19:11); and the faithful who are called to refrain from evil and do righteousness (Rev 22:11).
Selected Resources for Further Study
Bird, Michael F. The Saving Righteousness of God: Studies on Paul, Justification, and the New Perspective. Milton Keynes, UK: Paternoster, 2007.
Hill, David. Greek Words and Hebrew Meanings: Studies in the Semantics of Soteriological Terms. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1967.
Irons, Charles Lee. The Righteousness of God: A Lexical Examination of Covenant-Faithfulness Interpretations. Wissenschaftliche Untersuchungen zum Neuen Testament. Second Series 386. Tübingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2014.
Olley, John W. “Righteousness” in Septuagint Isaiah: A Contextual Study. Missoula, Mont.: Scholars, 1979.
Przybylski, Benno. Righteousness in Matthew and His World of Thought. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1980.
Seifrid, Mark A. “Righteousness Language in the Hebrew Scriptures.” Pages 415–42 in The Complexities of Second Temple Judaism. Vol. 1 of Justification and Variegated Nomism. Edited by D. A. Carson, Peter T. O’Brien, and Mark A. Seifrid. Grand Rapids: Baker, 2001.
———. “Paul’s Use of Righteousness Language against Its Hellenistic Background.” Pages 39–74 in The Paradoxes of Paul. Vol. 2 of Justification and Variegated Nomism. Grand Rapids: Baker, 2003.
Silva, Moises, ed. New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology and Exegesis [NIDOTTE]. 2nd ed. Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2014.
Witte, Markus, ed. Gerechtigkeit. Tübingen: Mohr Siebeck, 2012.
Michael F. Bird

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