THE GOSPELS ARE NOT NEW TESTAMENT

[David in NJ]

Yes the new Jerusalem comes down from heaven in the new heavens and earth

If you are Israel you are waiting for forgiveness of sins..........................[Rom 11:27 KJV] 27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins..............................[Act 3:19 KJV] 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;.............................[Jer 31:34 KJV] 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Did you see from Romans and Galatians that there are two Israels and two Jerusalems?

 

[Doug]

Did you see from Romans and Galatians that there are two Israels and two Jerusalems?

You are saying that Christ is the true Israel and you in him also are the true Israel. I am saying these verses below are for the true Israel:

If you are Israel you are waiting for forgiveness of sins..........................[Rom 11:27 KJV] 27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins..............................[Act 3:19 KJV] 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;.............................[Jer 31:34 KJV] 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Look again at this verse................[Act 3:19 KJV] 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;......................to be converted means to be saved, which means those saved are true Israel of God.........it is their sins that won't be blotted out until Christ comes

Israel as a nation will not have their sins blotted out til the return of Christ and you are saying you are that nation so yours sins arent blotted out yet

 

[David in NJ]

You are saying that Christ is the true Israel and you in him also are the true Israel. I am saying these verses below are for the true Israel:

If you are Israel you are waiting for forgiveness of sins..........................[Rom 11:27 KJV] 27 For this [is] my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins..............................[Act 3:19 KJV] 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;.............................[Jer 31:34 KJV] 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Look again at this verse................[Act 3:19 KJV] 19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord;......................to be converted means to be saved, which means those saved are true Israel of God.........it is their sins that won't be blotted out until Christ comes

Israel as a nation will not have their sins blotted out til the return of Christ and you are saying you are that nation so yours sins arent blotted out yet

The "TRUE" Israel = is NOT according to the FLESH

Please read and pray Romans chapter 9 , Galatians and Gospel of John chapter 1

Cannot talk now - be back later in the day.

Shalom

 

[Doug]

The "TRUE" Israel = is NOT according to the FLESH

Please read and pray Romans chapter 9 , Galatians and Gospel of John chapter 1

Cannot talk now - be back later in the day.

Shalom

[Exo 19:6 KJV] 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
The nation of Israel above is not unbelieving Isarael in the flesh........this is the nation I was referring to whose sins will be blotted out at the return of Christ (Acts 3:19)

[Mat 21:43 KJV] 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

You applied this verse to yourself as being the true Israel.......you call yourself a holy nation so your sins have not been blotted out yet

Here are some verses to show the concept of corporate sins

[Isa 58:1 KJV] 1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
[Dan 9:24 KJV] 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
[Mat 1:21 KJV] 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Paul said otherwise
[Rom 3:31 KJV] 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Jesus was crucified for breaking their law.
So yes, as Jesus said, the law ENDED WITH JOHN.

You are taking the hyperpauline doctrine talking points as taught in their books and presenting it as truth.

Anyone with a Bible can see you are demoting everything but Paul, and those hyperpauline teachers will make their followers into fools.

 

[JesusFan]

“The days are coming,” declares the Lord,
“when I will make a new covenant
with the people of Israel
and with the people of Judah.
32 It will not be like the covenant
I made with their ancestors
when I took them by the hand
to lead them out of Egypt,
because they broke my covenant,
though I was a husband to[a] them,[b]”
declares the Lord.
33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares the Lord.
“For I will forgive their wickedness
and will remember their sins no more.”

Still yet a future event, as will happen at time of the Second Coming, but right now the church is spiritual Israel, and saved Jews and Gentiles under the New Covenant are in it

 

[David in NJ]

[Exo 19:6 KJV] 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These [are] the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
The nation of Israel above is not unbelieving Isarael in the flesh........this is the nation I was referring to whose sins will be blotted out at the return of Christ (Acts 3:19)

[Mat 21:43 KJV] 43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

You applied this verse to yourself as being the true Israel.......you call yourself a holy nation so your sins have not been blotted out yet

Here are some verses to show the concept of corporate sins

[Isa 58:1 KJV] 1 Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.
[Dan 9:24 KJV] 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
[Mat 1:21 KJV] 21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Good Afternoon my Brother @Doug,

Exo 19:6 KJV 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.

This Nation spoken of in Exodus 19:6 is here now = brought to LIFE thru Elohim = both on earth and in Heaven


God's Spiritual Nation On Earth = 1 Peter 1:4-10
Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,

“Behold, I lay in Zion
A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”
7Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who [are disobedient,

“The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone,”
8and

“A stone of stumbling
And a rock of offense.”
They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.

9But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

God' Spiritual Nation in Heaven = Ephesians 2:4-10
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses,
made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

 

[Doug]

Good Afternoon my Brother @Doug,

Exo 19:6 KJV 6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.

This Nation spoken of in Exodus 19:6 is here now = brought to LIFE thru Elohim = both on earth and in Heaven


God's Spiritual Nation On Earth = 1 Peter 1:4-10
Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men, but chosen by God and precious, you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ.
Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,

“Behold, I lay in Zion
A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”
7Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who [are disobedient,

“The stone which the builders rejected
Has become the chief cornerstone,”
8and

“A stone of stumbling
And a rock of offense.”
They stumble, being disobedient to the word, to which they also were appointed.

9But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people, that you may proclaim the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His marvelous light; 10who once were not a people but are now the people of God, who had not obtained mercy but now have obtained mercy.

God' Spiritual Nation in Heaven = Ephesians 2:4-10
But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, even when we were dead in trespasses,
made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast.
For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

I am not smart enough to follow all this and where you are coming from.....sorry

 

[David in NJ]

I am not smart enough to follow all this and where you are coming from.....sorry

You understand Hebrews chapter 9 where JESUS took His Blood into Heaven - yes!

Whenever we lack understanding we Pray = "Seek and you will find, ask(pray) and you will receive."

No one is smart enough before God - therefore we humble ourselves before Him and run to Him for HE is our Heavenly Father.

"Therefore if you, being evil, know to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the Father who is in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those asking Him!" - Luke 11:13

 

[Doug]

You understand Hebrews chapter 9 where JESUS took His Blood into Heaven - yes!

Whenever we lack understanding we Pray = "Seek and you will find, ask(pray) and you will receive."

No one is smart enough before God - therefore we humble ourselves before Him and run to Him for HE is our Heavenly Father.

"Therefore if you, being evil, know to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the Father who is in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those asking Him!" - Luke 11:13

What bearing does Hebrews 9 have here?