Is the Sabbath a 'test of loyalty'?

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David in NJ

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My mistake. I thought this was a serious discussion.
How can there be a 'serious' discussion if you flat out deny the words of God?

#1 - You first started with ad hominen insults such as: "amateurish hermeneutics"

#2 - Then to justify your position you deny the very clear words of God.

#3 - You stand rigid in a fixed position that whatever you have to say is 'serious' versus the scriptural accuracy i post which are "amateurish"

LOL x100 is my gracious response to those who argue against the Holy Scripture yet claim to have understanding.

Now i recommend you read your own refusal of Truth in which you should get a good laugh out of it as well.

Quote of the day: "Genesis 1 is not Colossians 1. And the 7-th day Sabbath is not the Atonement."
 
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Will the Sabbath be a 'test of loyalty' in the end times? Will the Sabbath be the defining factor in ones salvation?
Many believers who are God fearing and upright do not observe Saturday as the Sabbath, so will the Sabbath be the litmus test that sets Gods people apart in the end?

Near the end of time, Revelation 14 prophesies that a loud proclamation will go to the world. Three angels will speak with a loud voice.
We see the first angel:
Revelation 14:6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people.

The gospel goes to the world and we see the next verse.
Revelation 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

The command we see has to worship.
Fear God
Give glory to Him
Remember creation by worshiping God: Worship Him that made heaven, earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
And we know that Jesus, is the Creator of all things.

The first angel's message is pointing back to creation and the sanctification of the seventh-day Sabbath.

Genesis 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Genesis 2:1-3 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

So we see how the judgement at the end is connected to worship, and its of the Creator who made the seventh-day Sabbath, for man. So will it be a litmus test, it seems to be connected.
The Sabbath was a covenant God made with the nation of Israel only. Teh church has entered into Sabbath rest and we have no command to set aside a specific day.
 

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The Sabbath was a covenant God made with the nation of Israel only. Teh church has entered into Sabbath rest and we have no command to set aside a specific day.
You're NO different than SDA; you DO the same, pretend the same, LIE the same, like here: <The Sabbath was a covenant God made with the nation of Israel only.> You ADD! You added <only>

And here again: <Teh church has entered into Sabbath rest and we have no command to set aside a specific day.> You TAKE AWAY! You took away <Sabbath rest> "valid and remaining for the People (Church) OF : GOD!"
 
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God's Sabbath REST is CHRIST and is no longer a day of the week.
Because you will not find anything specific in scripture to support the above, I would like to know on whose authority you stand on in doing away with the 4th commandment.
Believing that Saturday observance is still required by God is a rejection of CHRIST and a return to the Law
What is it precisely that you think Sabbath keepers are attempting to gain by this dubious exchange you charge them with?
How is a desire to obey Christ by observing His own commandment a rejection of Him? (after all it has been already established that the Sabbath was made and established by Jesus the Creator). It is His own commandment, and the excuse that it isn't repeated in the NT begs the question, how many times does God have to repeat Himself?
How do you reconcile the following with a rejection of Christ by obeying Him...
KJV Proverbs 28:9
9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
By praying in Jesus name?


.Not that other truths cannot be derived from symbolic considerations, but the meaning of something as fundamental as the ten commandments need not be altered by ambiguous readings of peripheral texts to suit tradition and convenience.
This deserves a response, but there's nothing really I can add. One of those mic drop moments.
 

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Because you will not find anything specific in scripture to support the above, I would like to know on whose authority you stand on in doing away with the 4th commandment.

What is it precisely that you think Sabbath keepers are attempting to gain by this dubious exchange you charge them with?
How is a desire to obey Christ by observing His own commandment a rejection of Him? (after all it has been already established that the Sabbath was made and established by Jesus the Creator). It is His own commandment, and the excuse that it isn't repeated in the NT begs the question, how many times does God have to repeat Himself?
How do you reconcile the following with a rejection of Christ by obeying Him...
KJV Proverbs 28:9
9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
By praying in Jesus name?



This deserves a response, but there's nothing really I can add. One of those mic drop moments.
@Brakelite @BarneyFife and all 7thDayAdventists

You asked: "What does Christ creating the heavens and the earth in 7 days have to do with the plan of redemption?"

ANSWER - go to thread Salvation in 7
 

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You're NO different than SDA; you DO the same, pretend the same, LIE the same, like here: <The Sabbath was a covenant God made with the nation of Israel only.> You ADD! You added <only>

And here again: <Teh church has entered into Sabbath rest and we have no command to set aside a specific day.> You TAKE AWAY! You took away <Sabbath rest> "valid and remaining for the People (Church) OF : GOD!"
Wow you really suck at reading what people believe!!!

It is the bible that declares the Sabbath was a covenant between God and Israel and never forced on gentiles other than those who lived in Israel!

Exodus 31:12-14

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12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Show me a NT passage that declares the church must keep Saturday as the Sabbath as God commanded Israel.

It would also be wise to recant your false accusation of me lying.
 

David in NJ

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Wow you really suck at reading what people believe!!!

It is the bible that declares the Sabbath was a covenant between God and Israel and never forced on gentiles other than those who lived in Israel!

Exodus 31:12-14​

King James Version​

12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Show me a NT passage that declares the church must keep Saturday as the Sabbath as God commanded Israel.

It would also be wise to recant your false accusation of me lying.
There is such a Commandment given by the LORD Jesus Christ in His Gospel.
 

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There is such a Commandment given by the LORD Jesus Christ in His Gospel.
Now look at the context and who He was speaking to. It was to the Jews! Even believing Jews today must keep the Sabbath. It is a sign and covenant made by gods with the children of Abraham, I saac and Jacob.
 

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Wow you really suck at reading what people believe!!!

It is the bible that declares the Sabbath was a covenant between God and Israel and never forced on gentiles other than those who lived in Israel!

Exodus 31:12-14​

King James Version​

12 And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying,
13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the Lord that doth sanctify you.
14 Ye shall keep the sabbath therefore; for it is holy unto you: every one that defileth it shall surely be put to death: for whosoever doeth any work therein, that soul shall be cut off from among his people.

Show me a NT passage that declares the church must keep Saturday as the Sabbath as God commanded Israel.

It would also be wise to recant your false accusation of me lying.
You have not read what I wrote or pretend you haven't. That means you are AGAIN lying.
 

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God's Sabbath REST is CHRIST and is no longer a day of the week.

There is no other REST that you can receive from God other then CHRIST.
This is contradicting and belying YOURSELF.
God's Sabbath REST is one thing God WORKED: in, through, with, and for, Christ and his sake, and is NOT <Christ> - God the Son - Who NEVER <is> anything God "made" through, in, or for, "the Son of Man" WHO <is> God Who "made the Sabbath for, man", in fact for, God the Son. Therefore God's Sabbath DAY of his resting "on the Seventh Day", not <no longer>, but NEVER, was and NEVER, could, be a mere "day of the week" UNLESS YOU'RE A PANTHEIST. Truth therefore is, there is no rest of saving faith <that you can receive from GOD other than CHRIST> who is God Himself UNIDENTIFIABLE with his works of, or in, or with, space and time, specifically not the Seventh Day of the creation-WEEK-of time which God "IN THE BEGINNING MADE" : "the Sabbath OF the Lord God" which NEVER, was, or was "made", or, has been, or, is, or, could become, <God's CHRIST>.
 
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Now look at the context and who He was speaking to. It was to the Jews! Even believing Jews today must keep the Sabbath. It is a sign and covenant made by gods with the children of Abraham, I saac and Jacob.
Hello Brother - Peace and Blessing to you today.

YES, 100% Exodus 31:12-17 is directed to the Israelites under Moses, under the Law = AGREE

Exodus 31:12-17
And the LORD said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites, ‘Surely you must keep My Sabbaths, for this will be a sign between Me and you for the generations to come, so that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. Keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Anyone who profanes it must surely be put to death. Whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from among his people. For six days work may be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must surely be put to death.
The Israelites must keep the Sabbath, celebrating it as a permanent covenant for the generations to come. It is a sign between Me and the Israelites forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, but on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’

the LORD Jesus Christ brought this Commandment to Fulfillment in Himself and placed BOTH Jew & Gentile under it in the Gospel.

Please take time to think on this as it is a well know passage of scripture often quoted = let me know..............Peace
 
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Hello Brother - Peace and Blessing to you today.

YES, 100% Exodus 31:12-17 is directed to the Israelites under Moses, under the Law = AGREE

Exodus 31:12-17
And the LORD said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites, ‘Surely you must keep My Sabbaths, for this will be a sign between Me and you for the generations to come, so that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. Keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Anyone who profanes it must surely be put to death. Whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from among his people. For six days work may be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must surely be put to death.
The Israelites must keep the Sabbath, celebrating it as a permanent covenant for the generations to come. It is a sign between Me and the Israelites forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, but on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’

the LORD Jesus Christ brought this Commandment to Fulfillment in Himself and placed BOTH Jew & Gentile under it in the Gospel.

Please take time to think on this as it is a well know passage of scripture often quoted = let me know..............Peace
AGAIN : You do NOT <AGREE>. You differ, <100%>. You : are : false. You did not read! My post was addressed to Ronald Nolette - not to you.
 
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You have not read what I wrote or pretend you haven't. That means you are AGAIN lying.
I read what you wrote. so either I misunderstood what you were trying to say or you are just once again bearing false witness. You siad I was lying when I said the Sabbath was just for Israel and then you write it is just for Israel. What is your position?

The seventh day was just for Israel.

Teh church has no established Sabbath day. that is the bible, so by calling me a liar is you calling the bible a lie!
 
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Hello Brother - Peace and Blessing to you today.

YES, 100% Exodus 31:12-17 is directed to the Israelites under Moses, under the Law = AGREE

Exodus 31:12-17
And the LORD said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites, ‘Surely you must keep My Sabbaths, for this will be a sign between Me and you for the generations to come, so that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. Keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Anyone who profanes it must surely be put to death. Whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from among his people. For six days work may be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must surely be put to death.
The Israelites must keep the Sabbath, celebrating it as a permanent covenant for the generations to come. It is a sign between Me and the Israelites forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, but on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’

the LORD Jesus Christ brought this Commandment to Fulfillment in Himself and placed BOTH Jew & Gentile under it in the Gospel.

Please take time to think on this as it is a well know passage of scripture often quoted = let me know..............Peace
I agree 100% with this passage.
 
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